Moonee Ponds International Airport(YMEN)
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Yep, i know EMO well. Mate of mine used to look after the maintenance of her. Helped him tear her down and put her back together one year. Beautiful machine, probably the best maintained aircraft i've ever come across, there wasn't one part of her you couldn't use as a mirror. Flew something like 1 hour every morning and 1 hour every everning with an 11 seat interior (i think).
But back to reminiscing about YMEN, i used to love sitting up on that balcony with my CPL studies out working thru notes. I didn't even train there! Such a shame when that went off limits. Walking out to the end of those walk ways and watching Shortstops DC-3 lift off 35 stands out. Talking my way into GIV TGG, just walking up to Executives hangar and asking if i could have a look around "yeah, no worries, just take your shoes off if you go inside any of them". Oh and best of all the 727 that came in every year for maintenance Romeo Mike Something. Gold!
Shame how it's changed in the last 10 years.
But back to reminiscing about YMEN, i used to love sitting up on that balcony with my CPL studies out working thru notes. I didn't even train there! Such a shame when that went off limits. Walking out to the end of those walk ways and watching Shortstops DC-3 lift off 35 stands out. Talking my way into GIV TGG, just walking up to Executives hangar and asking if i could have a look around "yeah, no worries, just take your shoes off if you go inside any of them". Oh and best of all the 727 that came in every year for maintenance Romeo Mike Something. Gold!
Shame how it's changed in the last 10 years.
Enjoyed my time there working in the control tower and briefing office in the 1970s - the variety of aircraft parked at or using the airport was pretty interesting. With Tulla taking all the RPT traffic the evening and night shifts were very relaxing. Former ATC Jack Russell had a funny story to tell after falling asleep on one of his night shifts in the 1960s:
YouTube - Essendon Airport Nostalgia
YouTube - Essendon Airport Nostalgia
Watched RMX or Readymix as it was called depart out of Essendon on RWY26 for a right base onto 34 at Tulla.
Didn't Esso operate a Learjet and Merlin at one stage?
When did they close down the flight department?
Anyone remember Associated Airlines Gulfstream 1 VH-FLO?
Did CRA have their own flight department or was that part of Associated?
Didn't Esso operate a Learjet and Merlin at one stage?
When did they close down the flight department?
Anyone remember Associated Airlines Gulfstream 1 VH-FLO?
Did CRA have their own flight department or was that part of Associated?
S8 I recall VH FLO & the Esso Merlin, now yr bringing back memories when the Merlin was handled (if I recall) by EAM, Exec Air Maint back when I was about in the mid to late 70's. We had the agencies for Enstrom choppers, Tobago's,(I recall them in wooden crates brand new) the Nomad N24 Searchmaster mods, oh boy age shall not weary them they say? BS I feel about a 100 yrs old now!
I also remember the Departments fleet of planes a few in which they did wheels up ldg's at MNG I think, G1000? Yep they (DCA) led the way
Wmk2:-)
I also remember the Departments fleet of planes a few in which they did wheels up ldg's at MNG I think, G1000? Yep they (DCA) led the way
Wmk2:-)
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Did Bill Bell have Reg 203 approval to do the WBL-EN run to start with??? Vaguely remember him bringing in a load of WBL local pollies into EN to rally DCA and VH-SOW was hit by a bullet on the way in.
Stationair8..I do remember the G1. It was (still is) my favourite looking a/c.
Like MB, the gang in the Briefing office went beyond the call of duty to help you recieve the right notams, wx and submit a basic VFR full reporting flt plan.
Is Russ P. still flying????How old would he be now??
Stationair8..I do remember the G1. It was (still is) my favourite looking a/c.
Like MB, the gang in the Briefing office went beyond the call of duty to help you recieve the right notams, wx and submit a basic VFR full reporting flt plan.
Is Russ P. still flying????How old would he be now??
Good on your Captain Wally, I knew you would be good for a few stories on YMEN.
What was the name of Russ Pascoes flying school? Always have a chuckle when another operator refererred to him as Puss Rascoe. If you out there Russ in ppruneland, thanks for that advice many years ago at least you gave me an honest opinion and saved me a lot of dollars! Did Russ fly the Argosies for Ipec?
A mutual friends dad and grandfather worked at Air Express as casual loaders for some extra cash in the 70's, loading the Bristol Freighters and later the DC-4's for the nightly runs to Launceston and King Island. Muttered something about Essendon being a cold wet place on a winters night.
Remember the fixed wing section of the Police Air Wing?
What was the name of Russ Pascoes flying school? Always have a chuckle when another operator refererred to him as Puss Rascoe. If you out there Russ in ppruneland, thanks for that advice many years ago at least you gave me an honest opinion and saved me a lot of dollars! Did Russ fly the Argosies for Ipec?
A mutual friends dad and grandfather worked at Air Express as casual loaders for some extra cash in the 70's, loading the Bristol Freighters and later the DC-4's for the nightly runs to Launceston and King Island. Muttered something about Essendon being a cold wet place on a winters night.
Remember the fixed wing section of the Police Air Wing?
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What about when B.H's PA31 (I think) was broken into and started, causing havok 10-15 years ago. They did a crimestoppers ep for that.
I used to drive my car airside and take photos with the planes and keep it parked out there too. Security didn't exist at all
I used to drive my car airside and take photos with the planes and keep it parked out there too. Security didn't exist at all
Dear old FLO ended her days at AKL in the 90s as I saw her there on the scrap heap after she was robbed of all useable parts which could be used on F27 (engine and gearbox etc.)
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Did Russ fly the Argosies for Ipec?
Flew as F/O on Argosy and DC9 ending up an Argosy captain prior to 1989.
Police air wing had a Cessna C402
Memory is a tad fading. As I recall they started off with a brace of Shrikes and then into Conquests (?)
PVA was one of the Dauphin registrations
Flew as F/O on Argosy and DC9 ending up an Argosy captain prior to 1989.
Police air wing had a Cessna C402
Memory is a tad fading. As I recall they started off with a brace of Shrikes and then into Conquests (?)
PVA was one of the Dauphin registrations
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First memory of Essendon was silver hangars in the south eastern corner (which was cut off for the Tulla freeway) and Tiger Moths or similar flying over head, they moved to Moorabbin when that opened. I spent quite a bit of time just watching the movements, the operators then were, TAA ANA Ansett and Southern Air with Doves Just below the tower. We could get in through a hole in the timber picket fence near the reservoir, now water tanks, that was left open for the workers living to the east, at times we could walk around to the north then get into the hangars, or get the little yellow Landy and get evicted. In the mid 60’s I was introduced to the tower controllers and spent many nights watching from the tower, the radar was a round green cathode tube in a little tent. On one occasion I remember a Viscount on approach to 17 the controller advised the pilot he was increasing intensity of the runway lights, the aircraft made an abrupt change in direction, they were lined up on Bulla Road. They were great days very little security, it was just like a big family. Unfortunately those days are over.
Cheers Q
First memory of Essendon was silver hangars in the south eastern corner (which was cut off for the Tulla freeway) and Tiger Moths or similar flying over head, they moved to Moorabbin when that opened. I spent quite a bit of time just watching the movements, the operators then were, TAA ANA Ansett and Southern Air with Doves Just below the tower. We could get in through a hole in the timber picket fence near the reservoir, now water tanks, that was left open for the workers living to the east, at times we could walk around to the north then get into the hangars, or get the little yellow Landy and get evicted. In the mid 60’s I was introduced to the tower controllers and spent many nights watching from the tower, the radar was a round green cathode tube in a little tent. On one occasion I remember a Viscount on approach to 17 the controller advised the pilot he was increasing intensity of the runway lights, the aircraft made an abrupt change in direction, they were lined up on Bulla Road. They were great days very little security, it was just like a big family. Unfortunately those days are over.
Cheers Q
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Just a few of the thoughts from the old days -
Associated Airlines in my time had a G4, VH-ASG later replaced by VH-ASM I think, and three G1's VH-ASJ, VH-FLO and VH-CRA. When the G4 and G1's went they had a CL-60 VH-ASM, and a WW24 VH-ASR.
The police used a C441, VH-EVP, (later to become VH-OPM)? They also used a C414, VH-FKH for a while.
The SA police turned up one day in VH-COP, and as they taxied in our local wit said
"shouldn't that be Papa India Golf?" ..
"Uh, say again"..
"shouldn't that be Papa India Golf?"
Talk about stony bloody silence!
JT Don't believe they ever had Shrikes. And you would have wept tears of blood when the mechanical muncher turned the Argosy's into a pile of scrap aluminium.
The Esso boys..what a great bunch of old stagers! VH-EMO, twice a day, three times on Tuesday to WSL and back. 27 min EET planned no matter what the wind was doing. When based at SY, they ran a LJ35, VH-EMP, and being private class of ops, apparently spent many a hour in the BIK holding pattern.
Anyone remember Melbourne Aeronautics, and their prototype the Melbourne Mamba? What ever happened to that?
More to come when I can dredge it up
CG
Associated Airlines in my time had a G4, VH-ASG later replaced by VH-ASM I think, and three G1's VH-ASJ, VH-FLO and VH-CRA. When the G4 and G1's went they had a CL-60 VH-ASM, and a WW24 VH-ASR.
The police used a C441, VH-EVP, (later to become VH-OPM)? They also used a C414, VH-FKH for a while.
The SA police turned up one day in VH-COP, and as they taxied in our local wit said
"shouldn't that be Papa India Golf?" ..
"Uh, say again"..
"shouldn't that be Papa India Golf?"
Talk about stony bloody silence!
JT Don't believe they ever had Shrikes. And you would have wept tears of blood when the mechanical muncher turned the Argosy's into a pile of scrap aluminium.
The Esso boys..what a great bunch of old stagers! VH-EMO, twice a day, three times on Tuesday to WSL and back. 27 min EET planned no matter what the wind was doing. When based at SY, they ran a LJ35, VH-EMP, and being private class of ops, apparently spent many a hour in the BIK holding pattern.
Anyone remember Melbourne Aeronautics, and their prototype the Melbourne Mamba? What ever happened to that?
More to come when I can dredge it up
CG
Chief:
ASG and ASM were G2's. ASM supplemented ASG late in the scheme of things so the two operated for a while. I think ASM replaced one of the G1’s.
One - can't remember which but it was probably ASG - was subsequently upgraded to something like a G3 (new wing plus probably upgraded engines and other goodies). The police may have borrowed a Shrike occasionally but I don’t remember them as a Shrike operator. The Mamba was Jess Smith’s design and I believe he occasionally still flies one of them. Will ask him next time I see him.
Blackburn
ASG and ASM were G2's. ASM supplemented ASG late in the scheme of things so the two operated for a while. I think ASM replaced one of the G1’s.
One - can't remember which but it was probably ASG - was subsequently upgraded to something like a G3 (new wing plus probably upgraded engines and other goodies). The police may have borrowed a Shrike occasionally but I don’t remember them as a Shrike operator. The Mamba was Jess Smith’s design and I believe he occasionally still flies one of them. Will ask him next time I see him.
Blackburn
Self was a 'hangar rat' with Stillwells at Hangar 204 for a while. Great job and have fond memories there. Worked later at Associated clipping hedges, mowing lawns etc before getting my CPL and going north. I recall VH-ASG (known as 'G' by the engineers) was a Gulfstream IIB version. VH-ASR and FLO were the only three aircraft at that time. Is that pressurized 210 still parked outside?
VH-FLO what a mighty machine, Associated Airlines then to Rob Sherrards operation, then finally a freighter at one stage in the early 1990's.
Wasn't there another G1 around for while in the mid 80's?
Wasn't there another G1 around for while in the mid 80's?
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Associated Airlines in my time had a G4
can't recall their ever having a GIV .. if my recollection is correct, and this echoes other posts, the two aircraft were GIIs but subsequently modified to GIIB ?
JT Don't believe they ever had Shrikes.
Certainly did - odds and sods of paperwork still in my archives from doing engineering work on them. That was right at the beinging of the operation when Neville Balding - he had the most delightful shock of red hair - was the brevet Inspector in Charge. As I recall both very presentable machines. VH-KAK rings a bell without checking into the dungeons. As I recall they didn't last terribly long with the PAW.
A quick google gives the official confirmation.
I can recall that the standard briefing to the crims was along the line that they could step out any time they liked ... apparently most were very well behaved during transit flights.
And you would have wept tears of blood when the mechanical muncher turned the Argosy's into a pile of scrap aluminium.
not only would I have done so .. I most certainly did so ... I was standing on the apron adjacent when the muncher did its dreadful deeds. The then GM, whose name we need not recall, picked up (as I remember) something like $4k scrap value for the company ... a dreadful tragedy when there were various folk lining up to get gate guards out of the fleet and would have thrown in more dollars.
Anyone remember Melbourne Aeronautics, and their prototype the Melbourne Mamba?
Melbourne Aircraft Maintenance - Jess Smith's operation as noted elsewhere. Hence Melbourne Aircraft Maintenance Basic Aircraft. Jess actually designed the first iteration of the aircraft on his hangar floor in chalk with Graham Harvey (the sheetie who built it) and a couple of other reprobates who can remain nameless. Some fine folk involved with that project as it developed ... a great idea which really should have kicked along and made Jess a fistful of dollars. I can still recall sweating profusely during the wing sandbag structural tests ... every creak frightened the bejazzus out of us all. Merv (the stressman), throughout, was quite relaxed in his delightful way. Haven't spoken with Jess for a year or two but I guess he still is tied up with the aircraft work at Kangan ?
Rob Sherrard
... now there's an interesting fellow ...
can't recall their ever having a GIV .. if my recollection is correct, and this echoes other posts, the two aircraft were GIIs but subsequently modified to GIIB ?
JT Don't believe they ever had Shrikes.
Certainly did - odds and sods of paperwork still in my archives from doing engineering work on them. That was right at the beinging of the operation when Neville Balding - he had the most delightful shock of red hair - was the brevet Inspector in Charge. As I recall both very presentable machines. VH-KAK rings a bell without checking into the dungeons. As I recall they didn't last terribly long with the PAW.
A quick google gives the official confirmation.
I can recall that the standard briefing to the crims was along the line that they could step out any time they liked ... apparently most were very well behaved during transit flights.
And you would have wept tears of blood when the mechanical muncher turned the Argosy's into a pile of scrap aluminium.
not only would I have done so .. I most certainly did so ... I was standing on the apron adjacent when the muncher did its dreadful deeds. The then GM, whose name we need not recall, picked up (as I remember) something like $4k scrap value for the company ... a dreadful tragedy when there were various folk lining up to get gate guards out of the fleet and would have thrown in more dollars.
Anyone remember Melbourne Aeronautics, and their prototype the Melbourne Mamba?
Melbourne Aircraft Maintenance - Jess Smith's operation as noted elsewhere. Hence Melbourne Aircraft Maintenance Basic Aircraft. Jess actually designed the first iteration of the aircraft on his hangar floor in chalk with Graham Harvey (the sheetie who built it) and a couple of other reprobates who can remain nameless. Some fine folk involved with that project as it developed ... a great idea which really should have kicked along and made Jess a fistful of dollars. I can still recall sweating profusely during the wing sandbag structural tests ... every creak frightened the bejazzus out of us all. Merv (the stressman), throughout, was quite relaxed in his delightful way. Haven't spoken with Jess for a year or two but I guess he still is tied up with the aircraft work at Kangan ?
Rob Sherrard
... now there's an interesting fellow ...
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DCA incidents at Essendon/ Mangalore / Wagga
Wally Mk2:
Re your post no: 46, I think that I can recall an incident in a DCA Twin Turbo Prop at Wagga when the Crew had the idea, that to check Landing Chart information they were to close the throttles to the ground fine position at 50 feet AGL. The wing fuel tanks certainly increased their fuel leak rate.
Tmb
Re your post no: 46, I think that I can recall an incident in a DCA Twin Turbo Prop at Wagga when the Crew had the idea, that to check Landing Chart information they were to close the throttles to the ground fine position at 50 feet AGL. The wing fuel tanks certainly increased their fuel leak rate.
Tmb