aeroplane or airplane?
Cynical old son, take a deep breath and a chill pill
You have sweetly proved my argument. Check your Macquarie Dictionary - either spelling gaol/jail is acceptable. The language is constantly evolving, but self-righteous pedants, like flat earthers, are not.
Don't dig the hole any deeper, let people call the damn thing whatever they are comfortable with.
There is right and there is wrong. Aeroplane is right, airplane is not. Just as gaol is correct and jail isn't.
Don't dig the hole any deeper, let people call the damn thing whatever they are comfortable with.
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You have sweetly proved my argument. Check your Macquarie Dictionary - either spelling gaol/jail is acceptable. The language is constantly evolving, but self-righteous pedants, like flat earthers, are not.
Don't dig the hole any deeper, let people call the damn thing whatever they are comfortable with.
Don't dig the hole any deeper, let people call the damn thing whatever they are comfortable with.
I was waiting for that to be raised. I deliberately referred to the Macquarie because:
1. This is an Australian thread
2. Its about words used in Australia
John Tullamarine got it right very early on.
1. This is an Australian thread
2. Its about words used in Australia
John Tullamarine got it right very early on.
Don't know why, but I've worked at a couple of places where every aircraft gets called a jet. This includes GA bugsmashers, turbo-props and helicopters.
Must be a symptom of the Big Shiny Jet syndrome
As for me:
Must be a symptom of the Big Shiny Jet syndrome
As for me:
I love AEROPLANE jelly, aeroplane jelly for me.
Check your Macquarie Dictionary
We also make other common errors in Aus that go uncorrected, such as the incorrect spelling of pedophile, it is actually paedophile.
We spell maroon correctly, but for some unknown reason reason pronounce it marone, which is unique as far as I know.
One point I must make is just because a lot of people do something some particular way, does not make it correct.
An earlier post mentioned the use of 'aeroplane' by the English weekly FLIGHT, later renamed FLIGHT INTERNATIONAL. The poster looked at an issue for 1920. He did not go back to the start. If you look at the editorial of the first issue of FLIGHT, that of January 2, 1909, you will see that 'aeroplane' was then the common and accepted term in use.
The various patent applications made by the Wrights in the USA and Europe referred to the design features of their 'flying machine.' It will require further delving into the archives to find when 'airplane' first crept into common usage in North America . It is a fair assumption that because most serious American researchers would have read FLIGHT and it's contemporary sister weekly THE AEROPLANE from their inception, that some years would have passed before 'aeroplane' was corrupted into 'airplane'.
The day that the Australian accent goes further down the gurgler and our
kids start calling 'Mom, mom', and persist with demands to 'listen up',
it will be too bloody late to give their collective little asses a swift kick, metaphorical or otherwise.
The various patent applications made by the Wrights in the USA and Europe referred to the design features of their 'flying machine.' It will require further delving into the archives to find when 'airplane' first crept into common usage in North America . It is a fair assumption that because most serious American researchers would have read FLIGHT and it's contemporary sister weekly THE AEROPLANE from their inception, that some years would have passed before 'aeroplane' was corrupted into 'airplane'.
The day that the Australian accent goes further down the gurgler and our
kids start calling 'Mom, mom', and persist with demands to 'listen up',
it will be too bloody late to give their collective little asses a swift kick, metaphorical or otherwise.
If this is our biggest problem in life, then life must be pretty good.
Next question- So what does everyone call the seven-four-seven, or is it seven-fortyseven, or even...........the jumbo.
Next question- So what does everyone call the seven-four-seven, or is it seven-fortyseven, or even...........the jumbo.
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I tend to say Seven Four Seven Four Hundred.
I also say Cessna One Seven Two - Though many places i see it spelled "Cessna One Seventy-Two" by Cessna it's self - look at control yoke and some POH's etc.
I also say Cessna One Seven Two - Though many places i see it spelled "Cessna One Seventy-Two" by Cessna it's self - look at control yoke and some POH's etc.
If this is our biggest problem in life, then life must be pretty good.
'The Surgeon of Crowthorne' is a brilliant tale of a genius whose legacy today is a large slice of The Oxford English Dictionary. That he took a slice from himself is . . .. well read the book.
The Surgeon of Crowthorne
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The Surgeon of Crowthorne: A Tale of Murder, Madness and the Love of Words is a book by Simon Winchester first published in 1998. The American edition is called The Professor and the Madman: A Tale of Murder, Insanity, and the Making of the Oxford English Dictionary, and was published the same year.
It tells the story of the making of the Oxford English Dictionary and one of its most useful early contributors, Dr. W.C. Minor, a retired United States Army surgeon. Minor was, at the time, imprisoned in the Broadmoor Criminal Lunatic Asylum, near the small town of Crowthorne in Berkshire, England. The 'professor' of the American title is presumably the chief editor of the OED during most of the project, James Murray, who had previously been a bank clerk and a schoolteacher, but never a professor.
This was Winchester's first major success as an author, after which he went on to write The Meaning of Everything: The Story of the Oxford English Dictionary about the broader history of the OED.
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The day that the Australian accent goes further down the gurgler and our kids start calling 'Mom, mom', and persist with demands to 'listen up'
For me, have always wondered on the etymology of the word "gear", as applied to undercarriage.
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Language Change Deniers
Is it car, motor car or automobile?
Truck or Lorry?
Not seven forty seven?,, what about cessna one eighty (or is is one eight zero??)
like it or not language is fluid and IT WILL CHANGE due to accepted common useage. we do not say 'thou shalt' we now say 'you will'.
We use the US style of phonetic alphabet, though with a certain antipodean inflection and we do not tend to say SIR all the time when conversing with ATS, though it is creeping in a bit here and there with sycophantic tossers. some other phrases or terms - like 'looking' for advised traffic is useful.
The trick is to know what the other participant in the conversation - whatever it is about - means when they say something, if you know he means aeroplane when he says airplane, there is NO problem, you are no more correct that he is, that is unless you are a right royal, pedantic, pompous, arrogant self righteous it who wanders the world spouting nonsense like - methinkf thou haft not fpoken moft truefomely whence thou didft fpake in moft fullfome manner of thy aerial levitational devife, forfooth in truth it furely beist an AEROPLANE thou poltroon!!
Get off your soap box, you are not the correct one despite you own misplaced indignation. It is the understandability that is important and you prove clearly that you DO understand what they are refering to if you feel the obsessive/compulsive need to "correct" them.
Clark Y - you are spot on about the relative importance of this thread, despite how much fun it is in a fairly puerile ( or is it peurile) sort of way. However, there is a clear and inverse proportionality between the relative importance of life issues and the amount of effort contributed to them, hence the 18 wheelers of this world. People like this will sit at a meeting and allocate hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions of dollars to projects, then argue ferociously about how much should be spent on the biscuits for the tea break. If this were not so we would not have local councils and the associated WOFTAMs that they create. And also I would not be responding to these pedantic tossers when I really do have more important things to do - this is more fun though.
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Is it car, motor car or automobile?
Truck or Lorry?
Not seven forty seven?,, what about cessna one eighty (or is is one eight zero??)
like it or not language is fluid and IT WILL CHANGE due to accepted common useage. we do not say 'thou shalt' we now say 'you will'.
We use the US style of phonetic alphabet, though with a certain antipodean inflection and we do not tend to say SIR all the time when conversing with ATS, though it is creeping in a bit here and there with sycophantic tossers. some other phrases or terms - like 'looking' for advised traffic is useful.
The trick is to know what the other participant in the conversation - whatever it is about - means when they say something, if you know he means aeroplane when he says airplane, there is NO problem, you are no more correct that he is, that is unless you are a right royal, pedantic, pompous, arrogant self righteous it who wanders the world spouting nonsense like - methinkf thou haft not fpoken moft truefomely whence thou didft fpake in moft fullfome manner of thy aerial levitational devife, forfooth in truth it furely beist an AEROPLANE thou poltroon!!
Get off your soap box, you are not the correct one despite you own misplaced indignation. It is the understandability that is important and you prove clearly that you DO understand what they are refering to if you feel the obsessive/compulsive need to "correct" them.
Clark Y - you are spot on about the relative importance of this thread, despite how much fun it is in a fairly puerile ( or is it peurile) sort of way. However, there is a clear and inverse proportionality between the relative importance of life issues and the amount of effort contributed to them, hence the 18 wheelers of this world. People like this will sit at a meeting and allocate hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions of dollars to projects, then argue ferociously about how much should be spent on the biscuits for the tea break. If this were not so we would not have local councils and the associated WOFTAMs that they create. And also I would not be responding to these pedantic tossers when I really do have more important things to do - this is more fun though.
\HD
Use the Queen's English man.
Nice attempt to sneak one in there HD but I must protesteth.
I don't believe that
is a word, although I do understand what you mean. 
You can't use the dodgy online free dictionaries as a reference for the term either; they're full of made-up seppo words.
In answer to your question, it's 'puerile' (adjective: childishly silly and trivial) from the latin puer meaning boy.
Nice rant though
I guess you're not a humanities student then?
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The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand.
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Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain.
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I don't believe that
understandability
You can't use the dodgy online free dictionaries as a reference for the term either; they're full of made-up seppo words. In answer to your question, it's 'puerile' (adjective: childishly silly and trivial) from the latin puer meaning boy.
Nice rant though
I guess you're not a humanities student then? (Helmet on, taking cover
)The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand.
Lewis Thomas (1913 - 1993)
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain.
Lily Tomlin (1939 - )
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You want proper English here you go
HWÆT, WE GAR-DEna in geardagum,
þeodcyninga þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon!
oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
monegum mægþum meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas, syððanærest wearð
feasceaft funden; he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum weorðmyndum þah,
oð þæt him æghwylc ymbsittendra
ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan; þæt wæs god cyning!
Ðæm eafera wæs æfter cenned
geong in geardum, þone God sende
folce to frofre; fyrenðearfe ongeat,
þe hie ær drugon aldorlease
lange hwile; him þæs Liffrea,
wuldres Wealdend woroldare forgeaf,
Beowulf wæs breme --- blæd wide sprang---
Scyldes eafera Scedelandum in.
Swa sceal geong guma gode gewyrcean,
fromum feohgiftumon fæder bearme,
HWÆT, WE GAR-DEna in geardagum,
þeodcyninga þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon!
oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
monegum mægþum meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas, syððanærest wearð
feasceaft funden; he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum weorðmyndum þah,
oð þæt him æghwylc ymbsittendra
ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan; þæt wæs god cyning!
Ðæm eafera wæs æfter cenned
geong in geardum, þone God sende
folce to frofre; fyrenðearfe ongeat,
þe hie ær drugon aldorlease
lange hwile; him þæs Liffrea,
wuldres Wealdend woroldare forgeaf,
Beowulf wæs breme --- blæd wide sprang---
Scyldes eafera Scedelandum in.
Swa sceal geong guma gode gewyrcean,
fromum feohgiftumon fæder bearme,