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737 Landing at Jandakot?

Old 19th Jan 2010, 00:34
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737 Landing at Jandakot?

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I've heard rumours that TAFE WA has bought an Ozjet 737 and are planning to fly it into JT. Anyone know if it's true? or if it would even be possible - the main runway is "only" about 1200m long

If so when is it going to happen - I heard it was supposed to be before christmas.

It'd be some sight watching a 737 have to get lifted out of the sand at the end of 06 or 24 after over-running the RWY. Or JAH flling in the trenchs from where the thing touches down.

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Old 19th Jan 2010, 00:56
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Air Pac used to (not sure if they still do) fly the 737 into Nausori (NFNA) which is about 1800m long. Now THAT was a hard landing and they normally pulled up by the end...not sure how they'll go with 1200m (unless they're ex RAAF ).
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 02:34
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If a 747 can land on a 1500m runway at 5000 ft elevation I'm sure a 737 can land at Jandakot (just ask the Indonesians, they all most did it)

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Old 19th Jan 2010, 04:16
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Plenty of jet RPT going into <1800m strips in this country (YBMC/YBHM are two off the top of my head that are regularly visited by B737/A320), and although I can't give you any exact weights, they've normally got high passenger loads.

I'd still like to see an empty 737 blasting off on 1200m though.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 04:54
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During one of the airshows at Canberra some years ago, an Ansett 767 touched down on the threshold of 35 (or whatever it is) and turned off on the runway 30. I wouldn't think that it is more than 1200 metres.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 05:03
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I seem to remember apparently when they took VH-EBQ (747) to Longreach it landed with 400 metres to spare on a 1900m runway...
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 05:21
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Used to fly into Jersey (Channel Islands) all the time with a full 737 (300, 400 & 500). That runway was a mini-tad over 1700m and wasn't a problem. Never used more than autobrake 3 and very often could turn off way before the runway end.

As a boring aside, I once had to position a 737 to Glasgow airport. It was just the two of us up the front and we were keen to see just what max autobrake, full reverse looked and felt like. We were light (just as a Jandakot flight would be) and we touched down right at the very beginnig of the TDZ (probably 3 reds, 1 white). The bloody thing stopped so fast I'm glad I'd locked my harness and I never got to use the reverse because we'd stopped By using a bit of judiscious turning we were able to take the first exit off 05(?) which I reckon is no more than 550m from the threshold. I know, silly old fart, but I didn't half learn how quickly those things can stop if you need them to. 1200m, piece of piss

(edited to add: the aircraft was going to GLA for maintenance and would be there for at least a week, so don't start the normal gobbing off about the irresponsibilty of warming up brakes for the next crew etc)
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 05:49
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Pontius, no humorous comments from ATC?
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 06:22
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A Virgin 737 recently landed at Mildura enroute Sydney to Adelaide. From memory that is 4,500ft / 1500 metres?

I'm of the belief that a STOL equipped 73 can operate out of 1300 metres reliably.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 06:34
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I'm wondering if a 100 would manage same performance though :P

I'm also wondering whether the concrete will hold it, if there is enough room to taxi it and finally where the hell they plan to park it? Would be cool to see though. Might take up a bit of room at the holding point while they wait 25 mins for departure instructions.

Another thought, would a 73 be able to comply with a mantl or armad 4 on 06 and not breach PH airspace? I'm assuming it could but it'd be interesting. Also cool to see.

Final thought, would they plan to give the 73 special treatment to make a strait in approach on 24 or would it be required to join at CNB like everyone else?
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 06:47
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Mildura is 1830m. Jandakot is 1392m
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 06:54
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You'd be able to land at Jandakot but would not be able to leave the main runway without hitting things with the wings. Perhaps a taxi onto 30/12 from 24/06 may work then plonking it in the middle of RACWAs lot somewhere
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 07:46
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I would imagine it will move soon as there is a new Logo on the side.

I think it say something like Western TAFE.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 07:49
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It will happen at some stage when CASA feel up to ticking the boxes.
It will be a one shot deal, 1 arrival and there is to be no departure. Once it's at YPJT it will be staying. Arrival will be at min weight from Perth with operating crew only.

According to the engineer looking after the paperwork, operating into YPJT won't even raise a sweat.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 08:12
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Whats the purpose of parking it at JT? Any idea where they're planning on putting it?

I dont think anyone disagrees that it should be a museum piece.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 08:36
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This info straight from the 732-QRH
Landing distance (unfactored) FLAP 40 @ 38T - 1140 meters

Sounds like a job for Gordo
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 08:44
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Mildura is 1830m
I see it's been upgraded, it was 4,800'ish. No dramas although it was a big change having it come in compared to the Jungle Jets.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 09:10
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, AirNZ used to operate the 200 out of Napier (with a load obviously) in the early 90s to AK WN and CH I believe...
Napier being 1300m
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 09:56
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When Henderson was being re-developed/upgraded/strengthened in about '85, Air Pacific operated their 200 into the short section that was left for them to use. No alternative. And it had a big trench/stepdown at the end, so no overrun. When that section was done they got moved to using another end section. The most critical, was when the centre third section was being redeveloped.. Probably was only about 1200/1300 metres..!!? to play with. And they had to depart for Brisbane with enough payload (and fuel )for the 1150 n.m. sector to be profitable. Some sharp pencil work required..

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Old 19th Jan 2010, 11:16
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A 767 can touch down on runway 16 at YMML on the 1000' markers and be stopped by taxiway echo which is 1300 metres. I'm sure the 737 will handle the 1300 metres at YPJT without any dramas at all.
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