iPhone apps for Pilots
Sorry, but that is absolute bollocks!! Assisted GPS works very well indeed, without the help of the mobile towers
Sorry, but that is absolute bollocks!! Assisted GPS works very well indeed, without the help of the mobile towers
Shagpile, I was worried that would be the case when I bought one but I have no problems getting a very accurate fix when well out of coverage on the iPhone. The antenna does seem to be a bit weaker than some other models and needs to be right up by the window to get a fix which can be a pain at times.
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My Nokia N95 in flight mode gives a good GPS position in the middle of nowhere ... ie Pacific and Indian Ocean. My Iphone (late model) with GPS works well outside of phone coverage.
Interesting that the iPhone Flight Mode does not permit GPS reception.
I understand under ICAO and Oz regs GPS receivers in flight is ok. Maybe Apple have not seen that??
Interesting that the iPhone Flight Mode does not permit GPS reception.
I understand under ICAO and Oz regs GPS receivers in flight is ok. Maybe Apple have not seen that??
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When out in the middle of nowhere (such as over the Pacific or Indian Ocean) , the iPhone gives a good position from a windowseat in the cabin, but nothing at all while in the cockpit. Reason is that the electrically heated windshields blankets out the fickle GPS signal (at least that is the case in our aircraft). And you're right - the flight mode on the iPhone disables the GPS-positioning. If you jailbrake your iPhone, you can separately turn on/off the positioning and phone, which solves the flight-mode problem.
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I love super simple free apps -- Pilot Time gives you UTC/Local Time in one touch. Plus a simple converter. Best part you can customize with your favorite aviation photos. iTunes Store
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I've written an app for iPad and iPhone that like Goodreader allows you to download the ERSA from Airservices Australia.
Unlike Goodreader, the app has all the separate files indexed, so you just click on the airport you want and it downloads that PDF :-)
Without distributing the ERSA itself (which is copyright), shouldn't need approval from Airservices Australia as its no different from downloading the publicly available ERSA using firefox/safari/Arcobat/Goodreader.
So unless anyone here is strongly against me publishing "iERSA", I'm going to submit it to apple for the app store.
I'm working on a "download all" option and full text search which would be available in future release.
Unlike Goodreader, the app has all the separate files indexed, so you just click on the airport you want and it downloads that PDF :-)
Without distributing the ERSA itself (which is copyright), shouldn't need approval from Airservices Australia as its no different from downloading the publicly available ERSA using firefox/safari/Arcobat/Goodreader.
So unless anyone here is strongly against me publishing "iERSA", I'm going to submit it to apple for the app store.
I'm working on a "download all" option and full text search which would be available in future release.
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Just downloaded it. It's a bit pricey for what it is (essentially a PDF viewer), and I crashed it within the first 30 seconds.
That said, it's a pretty fast app and easy to use. Would be nice to be able to get it to download every aerodrome within the state etc.
UPDATE - can't even get iersa to work now... just comes up with blank pages for every aerodrome.
That said, it's a pretty fast app and easy to use. Would be nice to be able to get it to download every aerodrome within the state etc.
UPDATE - can't even get iersa to work now... just comes up with blank pages for every aerodrome.
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I don't know how you believe you are not breaking copyright when you have used the books name in your title and also the copyright statement says "no part of the AIS Publications may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, transmitted, redistributed, republished or commercially exploited in any way without the prior written permission of Airservices Australia."
You are storing yours in a retrieval system (local cache) and you are commercially exploiting the documents as your application has no ability to view any other PDF's which would make it a general PDF viewer
You are storing yours in a retrieval system (local cache) and you are commercially exploiting the documents as your application has no ability to view any other PDF's which would make it a general PDF viewer
htran - I hope you know what you're doing...Airservices have a pretty strong track record of going after people (with lawyers) who infringe their copyright. They had a pretty big court case against Jeppesen recently too.
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There are a few different issues.
According to IP Australia ERSA is not a registered trademark and nor is iERSA. Trademarks and Copyright are two different things.
The only thing that I have copied in my application is the AirServices Australia copyright notice because according to the notice it says
"Unless specified otherwise, AIS Publications may be used only for viewing (in an unaltered form which retains this notice) for information purposes. "
So I am complying with their requirement to retain the notice. The PDFs that the user downloads from ASA is unaltered.
In respect to "Except as permitted above and by the Copyright Act 1968, no part of the AIS Publications may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, transmitted, redistributed, republished or commercially exploited in any way without the prior written permission of Airservices Australia. "
I am not doing any of the above. The end user is the one downloading the ERSA, an in so reproducing and storing it on THEIR device. If anyone is liable its the user of the tool. ie. If you get caught with a radar detector you get fined not the manufacturer.
That aside, downloading the ERSA for the purposes for flight planning should be consider viewing for informational purposes and covered under the
Section 43A of the Copyright Act 1968 " (1) The copyright in a work, or an adaptation of a work, is not infringed by making a temporary reproduction of the work or adaptation as part of the technical process of making or receiving a communication."
The user receives the ERSA from ASA from their public webserver, and the Cache by its definition is a temporary store.
I am using Apple's Webview object in my application, which essentially means the user using Safari to view the files. How is this different from a user using Safari on their iPad or IE on their PC to download the PDF? Ok I'll answer that, its just damn easier!
Also the user could download the PDFs using their PC, and connect their iPhone/iPad to iTunes and manually transfer the PDFs to the application.
This is completely different from me downloading the entire ERSA and including in the application or hosting it on my own server, because that would be "reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, transmitted, redistributed, republished"
At the end of the day, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't have a few million in the bank they can get out of me anyway.
In relation to being able to open other PDFs? That's a great idea, I'm going to add the ability to open other PDFs in the app, I can't believe I didn't think of that, as my DA40 POH and Checklists are in PDF format, which I've been using Goodreader to view.
According to IP Australia ERSA is not a registered trademark and nor is iERSA. Trademarks and Copyright are two different things.
The only thing that I have copied in my application is the AirServices Australia copyright notice because according to the notice it says
"Unless specified otherwise, AIS Publications may be used only for viewing (in an unaltered form which retains this notice) for information purposes. "
So I am complying with their requirement to retain the notice. The PDFs that the user downloads from ASA is unaltered.
In respect to "Except as permitted above and by the Copyright Act 1968, no part of the AIS Publications may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, transmitted, redistributed, republished or commercially exploited in any way without the prior written permission of Airservices Australia. "
I am not doing any of the above. The end user is the one downloading the ERSA, an in so reproducing and storing it on THEIR device. If anyone is liable its the user of the tool. ie. If you get caught with a radar detector you get fined not the manufacturer.
That aside, downloading the ERSA for the purposes for flight planning should be consider viewing for informational purposes and covered under the
Section 43A of the Copyright Act 1968 " (1) The copyright in a work, or an adaptation of a work, is not infringed by making a temporary reproduction of the work or adaptation as part of the technical process of making or receiving a communication."
The user receives the ERSA from ASA from their public webserver, and the Cache by its definition is a temporary store.
I am using Apple's Webview object in my application, which essentially means the user using Safari to view the files. How is this different from a user using Safari on their iPad or IE on their PC to download the PDF? Ok I'll answer that, its just damn easier!
Also the user could download the PDFs using their PC, and connect their iPhone/iPad to iTunes and manually transfer the PDFs to the application.
This is completely different from me downloading the entire ERSA and including in the application or hosting it on my own server, because that would be "reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, transmitted, redistributed, republished"
At the end of the day, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't have a few million in the bank they can get out of me anyway.
In relation to being able to open other PDFs? That's a great idea, I'm going to add the ability to open other PDFs in the app, I can't believe I didn't think of that, as my DA40 POH and Checklists are in PDF format, which I've been using Goodreader to view.
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I'm just trying to save some trees and help those looking for iPhone apps for Pilots save some trees.
I'm just going with the flow in this thread where people are posting links for iPhone apps for pilots.
All I said was the app is on the app store, didn't even put a link.
I'm just going with the flow in this thread where people are posting links for iPhone apps for pilots.
All I said was the app is on the app store, didn't even put a link.
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I am not doing any of the above. The end user is the one downloading the ERSA, an in so reproducing and storing it on THEIR device. If anyone is liable its the user of the tool. ie. If you get caught with a radar detector you get fined not the manufacturer.
No, I didn't try the support site. There isn't one, just a forum, and I'm not about to sign up to yet another forum just to get support for an app that doesn't show any signs of working. I'd much rather just get my money back and leave some interesting reviews for it on iTunes.
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But I'm not touching their data in any way. The end user is using the iPhone/iPad's web browser (with my navigation system) to download themselves.
So Apple should pay ASA for allowing users to use Safari on iPhone/iPad/Mac to download the ERSA?
What about Microsoft, for letting users download it via Internet explorer?
You know how many hours of coding after work I spent writing the app. At the end of the day, if no one buys the app, I'm going to better with my iphone and ipad in the cockpit instead of my laptop, and I saved a few trees.
Where naptser when down is there were indeed transmitting data on their servers.
Don't forget Apple gets 30% and the Government takes 10% GST :-)
So Apple should pay ASA for allowing users to use Safari on iPhone/iPad/Mac to download the ERSA?
What about Microsoft, for letting users download it via Internet explorer?
You know how many hours of coding after work I spent writing the app. At the end of the day, if no one buys the app, I'm going to better with my iphone and ipad in the cockpit instead of my laptop, and I saved a few trees.
Where naptser when down is there were indeed transmitting data on their servers.
Don't forget Apple gets 30% and the Government takes 10% GST :-)