A320 Training

[saducees]

Can anybody give feedback where to do A320 Endorsement training in Australia,How much $

[Tee Emm]

Don't know about Australia but Aeroservices in Miami charge around $6000 USD and $4500 for 737.

[dodgybrothers]

try pan am academy, half the price of alteon and 3 x the better product. avoid the sausage factory if you can

[Casper]

Try Air NZ. It may be expensive but I've heard that the product is excellent.

[GS2008]

Choose your trainer carefully....

Is the quality of the product between Alteon, AirNZ, Pan Academy and Aeroservices really that different? I would have thought that as a standard A320 type rating, they would have just provided exactly what the OEM recommended (no more and no less)?

I have heard rumours from third parties within JQ that a number of pilots who saved money with the foregin type rating have failed line checks in Oz and NZ during 2009. I've got no hard facts, but welcome anyone who has the real story on whether it really was the quality of the training.....

GS.

[dmacnz]

For the A320

Ansett is $34500 aus
Air NZ is similar
Overseas rating plan on about $20k usd

Big problem doing them over seas if getting CASA to put the rating on your licence! Doing the rating in a ICAO country seems to be a heap easier. Also check Casa recognises the Sim that you are doing the training on. Some sims in the US CASA wont accept the time on.

[distracted cockroach]

GS2008, yes there can be a big difference. A lot depends on the availability of fixed base trainers, computer based programs (for operation, not just tech) and other stuff. None of this may be "required" but if it is available, it will allow completion of the type rating with better than "minimum" standard.
The right training organisation will be more than just a sausage factory doing the minimum required. Airline organisations are good as they train people to their standards (as opposed to minimum standard) and are operationally experienced with the aircraft. I'm not saying specialist training organisations are bad, but a lot of the time, you get what you pay for. If you want a job flying that aircraft type, the extra it may cost may be better value in the long run.

[saducees]

Any more Info on Ansett,has anyone done training there
,I thought they went bust a couple of years ago

[ga_trojan]

The Ansett sim centre is going great guns they have most of the aircraft in Australia >5700kg down there.

[kazaan]

The old Ansett Sim centre is huge. The new owners must have spent millions on the new building. On their web site Ansett Aviation Training claim to be the largest simulator training centre in the Southern Hemesphere. I think there are about 11 or 12 full flight simulators in the buildings. A mate of mine just completed an A320 course at Ansett and paid $28000 for the course. He said the standard of the course was first rate and that all the instructors were A320 pilots either having flown with JetStar or Tiger. He got a job with Tiger straight after he completed the course.

[wlshwzd]

A320 type rating prices as at December 2009:

CAE in Kuala Lumpur - $19550 USD
Ansett Aviation in Melbourne - $28000 AUD
Sabena Flt Academy (CAE) in Belgium - 26500 Euros
Alteon in Brisbane/Singapore - No type rating for un affiliated individuals
Active Aerospace in British Columbia, Canada $18000CDN
Pan Am - $11950 USD
RJ Flt Academy(CAE) in Dubai, 26000 Euros
Cockpit 4 U in Berlin - 24400 Euros

[snoop doggy dog]

HKG

There is Oxford at Hong Kong. They recently moved to Dragon House from CX City.

I am sure that they would have the CBT and other trainers (FMGC/ ECAM) that we had upstairs. All useful.

PM saducees if you would like me to find out more.

[wlshwzd]

I'm still looking for a sim partner for an A320 command type rating scheduled for February 5th 2010, in Kuala Lumpur with CAE. $19500 USD. I'll be adding it to my Australian ATPL...any takers ?

[saducees]

Thanks,the only problem doing the course outside Australia is the added cost of accomadation,airfares and food.

[hongkongfooey]

I have heard rumours from third parties within JQ that a number of pilots who saved money with the foregin type rating have failed line checks in Oz and NZ during 2009.

Yes, a good point to remember is that before the ink has dried on your endorsement you will be required to pass an IR renewal to Jet*/Tiger etc standards, which may or may not be considerably different to the place you did your endo where you are essentially the " customer "

Is the quality of the product between Alteon, AirNZ, Pan Academy and Aeroservices really that different

Yes. ANZ was a lot better than Alteon, I think Alteon's motto is " god helps those who help themselves "

Big problem doing them over seas if getting CASA to put the rating on your licence

A very good point especially if you don't actually have a job offer, in some cases CASA will not endorse your Oz licence if you have zero time in the a/c ( yes I know they are zero time sims, this is a regulatory thing )
If in doubt, ask.

A lot depends on the availability of fixed base trainers, computer based programs (for operation, not just tech) and other stuff.

Good luck achieving the required standard ( if you have no previous glass time ) without good Fixed base trainers/FMGC trainers etc....you will need it !

Thanks,the only problem doing the course outside Australia is the added cost of accomadation,airfares and food

Yep, this can run into 1000s AUD, of course if you don't live in Oz in the same city as the sim, ie from PH and sim in ML, it's going to be almost as expensive

Pan Am - $11950 USD

This sounds too good to be true...so it probably is

[ReverseFlight]

Apologies for digging up this previous thread. I am specifically referring to an initial A320 TR endorsement training provided by Ansett: Ansett Aviation Training I am looking at CAO 40.1.0 but would like some guidance on the following:

1. Is it a class rating (not type reting) under Appendix 1A ? Assuming it is,

2. Is it a co-pilot endorsement as opposed to a command endorsement ? Is it necessary to fly the real aeroplane in endorsement training or its final issue (this impacts on cost) ? To answer this question, should I be looking at section 7.2.3 (App 1A Part 5 command endorsement) or section 7.3 (App 1A Part 6 co-pilot endorsement) ? Does it make a difference ?

Many thanks in advance.

[Wally Mk2]

I did this 4 course at the Ansett Sim center last year. A320 type endo, CMD rating.
You fly the Sim from the R/H seat & then do a rejected T/off from the L/H seat to qual for the CMD endo. The Frogs designed the 'bus' to be flown from either seat,fully controlled whether airborne or on the ground. IE steering tiller both sides. Great instructors, 3 guys all got me thru in the min time.
Hard work as in you gotta put in a lot yourself as there is a high element of self taught (study wise).

good luck

[Artificial Horizon]

Go Air NZ all the way, the Alteon product is passable but just the bare bones. Air NZ endorsed pilots that I have flown with seem to have had a really high quality course for a similar price.

[ReverseFlight]

Wally Mk2, I have sent you a PM, thanks.

[ReverseFlight]

Just soliciting interest from potential partners for the Ansett A320 TR at ML. The length of the course is about a month. The cost in post #7 is based on 2 pilots sharing.

Serious offers only please. PM me if you prefer.