A surreal lack of airmanship
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A surreal lack of airmanship
Heard this on Jabiru CTAF a few weeks ago and was mortified:
'XXX, Jabiru Ground.'
*A long pause*
'XXX, this is Jabiru Ground, how do you read?'
*A further long pause, before, more exasperatedly then before*
'XXX, Jabiru Ground!'
'Jabiru Ground, XXX, Go ahead.'
'You've been parked in front of the fuel bowser with the engines running for ages, three charters have already departed and it's made a mess of everything. Can you move?'
*To my eternal shock and amazement I hear the following*
'XXX, I was waiting for an IFR clearance. Too bad.'
Some people should be refused licenses on the basis of a lack of common decency and any modicum of airmanship. I'd forgotten that some drivers out there think they are God's gift.
'XXX, Jabiru Ground.'
*A long pause*
'XXX, this is Jabiru Ground, how do you read?'
*A further long pause, before, more exasperatedly then before*
'XXX, Jabiru Ground!'
'Jabiru Ground, XXX, Go ahead.'
'You've been parked in front of the fuel bowser with the engines running for ages, three charters have already departed and it's made a mess of everything. Can you move?'
*To my eternal shock and amazement I hear the following*
'XXX, I was waiting for an IFR clearance. Too bad.'
Some people should be refused licenses on the basis of a lack of common decency and any modicum of airmanship. I'd forgotten that some drivers out there think they are God's gift.
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In years past that lack of airmanship and respect for other pilots would have been knocked out of a pilot at the 'single' stage of their career. Unfortunately this arrogance has been allowed to build as the more experienced twin drivers that were mentors to the single drivers were rapidly sucked up into the airlines.
As a result of this rapid progression many years of airmanship that where built up and passed along by these mentors to the younger pilots was lost, and the drivers now in the twins think that they know all. Then again, they must, they only did 600hrs in a 210 before they got put into their first twin. Everyone before them had been doing 1500+hrs before they got their chance to look at a baron, let alone those high performance pa31's and c402's.
As a result of this rapid progression many years of airmanship that where built up and passed along by these mentors to the younger pilots was lost, and the drivers now in the twins think that they know all. Then again, they must, they only did 600hrs in a 210 before they got put into their first twin. Everyone before them had been doing 1500+hrs before they got their chance to look at a baron, let alone those high performance pa31's and c402's.
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Modern selfishness
Not suprised to hear that at all.
In Mildura last year I heard this conversation (IIRC) between two helicopters:
AAA: "BBB on Mildura CTAF, this is AAA. Are you going to be long at the fuel bowser?"
(BBB had finished refuelling and was "turning and burning", but not in a hurry to go anywhere)
BBB: "We'll just be here for a few minutes more"
AAA: "Well, can you move it please?"
BBB: "I'll just be here a few minutes more"
AAA: "I need to refuel for a charter"
BBB: "Good for you!"
BBB moved along around 5 minutes later.
Just another example of "Modern selfishness" where "whatever I'm doing right now is always going to be more important than whatever everybody else is doing".
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In Mildura last year I heard this conversation (IIRC) between two helicopters:
AAA: "BBB on Mildura CTAF, this is AAA. Are you going to be long at the fuel bowser?"
(BBB had finished refuelling and was "turning and burning", but not in a hurry to go anywhere)
BBB: "We'll just be here for a few minutes more"
AAA: "Well, can you move it please?"
BBB: "I'll just be here a few minutes more"
AAA: "I need to refuel for a charter"
BBB: "Good for you!"
BBB moved along around 5 minutes later.
Just another example of "Modern selfishness" where "whatever I'm doing right now is always going to be more important than whatever everybody else is doing".
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Lack of Ability , Humility equals lack of Safety
Pity you won t let on what the callsign was , then perhaps a dose of public humil would remind Capt D/a-- to pick his act up or get his boss on his tail ....lol .
I m figuring it was a PA 31 or similiar BIG !!! plane so close to Darwin .
Either he s new and got no spare capacity to answer an unexpected call ,
or he s a Capt D/Ass whose arrogance and exalted position of flying two engines instead of one ,tells him he doesn t have to regard others .
I reckon it could be either or both , and prob from the less reputable side of the GA area ,
Heard of a DN operator with half a dozen BIG !! planes ,whose CP only just got his IFR and has minimal time and now getting all his boys to fly IFR ,to get their experience up before the wet hits ........
I m figuring it was a PA 31 or similiar BIG !!! plane so close to Darwin .
Either he s new and got no spare capacity to answer an unexpected call ,
or he s a Capt D/Ass whose arrogance and exalted position of flying two engines instead of one ,tells him he doesn t have to regard others .
I reckon it could be either or both , and prob from the less reputable side of the GA area ,
Heard of a DN operator with half a dozen BIG !! planes ,whose CP only just got his IFR and has minimal time and now getting all his boys to fly IFR ,to get their experience up before the wet hits ........
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hmmmmmm
'XXX, I was waiting for an IFR clearance. Too bad.'
If I have submitted an IFR flight plan then do I need ATC permission to fly IFR? What happened to the airways clearance when departing in CTA & giving taxi report "IFR" to FS to get IFR traffic OCTA.
Have they lowered the steps over YJAB or has Bob lashed out & put a tower there recently. Would have prefered some decent lights instead of those battery powered jobbies.
Sounds like a gen Yer with out a clue (no surprises there) or bull**** artist trying to piss Bob off (which wouldn't be difficult). That is if he hasn't retired.
Surreal?
...is this really "surreal" - ie: dream-like - or is it merely strange, bizzare or disappointing?
So the guy is a f$%&wit... so what, hardly Robinson Crusoe
So the guy is a f$%&wit... so what, hardly Robinson Crusoe
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It's not the first time pilots from that company have pissed people of out there with there "I'm IFR, im in a bigger plane, get the 
outta my way, I'll do whatever I want."
outta my way, I'll do whatever I want."
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Why is it such a surprise????
It should be remembered that aviation attracts people from all walks of life - with all different attitudes and personalities.
It is nice to think that in our "professional" world people would contain sufficient situational awareness and courtesy, but just like on the road, in an accounting firm or a servo, etc, there will always be people who are selfish and feel that they are more important
If these wankers piss you off enough then write a letter to their CP mentioning what happened.
Maybe they will learn something.
Maybe they won't.
If they don't, and are naturally just selfish, then dont worry about it!!
Every dog has their day......
On a different note, if your IFR deptarting from an OCTA aerdrome you of course dont need a clearance (unless your going to Class A, then you just need it before you get there).
Many times I have been at a community airstrip and departed without a taxi call becaseu HF is having another bad day, with the intention of contacting CN once airborne. Perfectly fine, as long as you remember that without the taxi call nobody knows you have departed so if you spud it in after take off nobodys going to come looking for you.....
Eternity.
It is nice to think that in our "professional" world people would contain sufficient situational awareness and courtesy, but just like on the road, in an accounting firm or a servo, etc, there will always be people who are selfish and feel that they are more important
If these wankers piss you off enough then write a letter to their CP mentioning what happened.
Maybe they will learn something.
Maybe they won't.
If they don't, and are naturally just selfish, then dont worry about it!!
Every dog has their day......
On a different note, if your IFR deptarting from an OCTA aerdrome you of course dont need a clearance (unless your going to Class A, then you just need it before you get there).
Many times I have been at a community airstrip and departed without a taxi call becaseu HF is having another bad day, with the intention of contacting CN once airborne. Perfectly fine, as long as you remember that without the taxi call nobody knows you have departed so if you spud it in after take off nobodys going to come looking for you.....
Eternity.
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Many times I have been at a community airstrip and departed without a taxi call becaseu HF is having another bad day.
Spent many a time departing community airstrips always broadcast a taxi call on VHF prior to HF requesting trafffic, when IFR, or am I missing something?
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Yea, at least something on VHF (CTAF), someone will hear that. Possibly me on short final. Nothing worse than an aircraft taxing onto the runway from behind the trees with out broadcasting, then having to power up and go around.
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On a different note, if your IFR deptarting from an OCTA aerdrome you of course dont need a clearance (unless your going to Class A, then you just need it before you get there).
Many times I have been at a community airstrip and departed without a taxi call becaseu HF is having another bad day, with the intention of contacting CN once airborne. Perfectly fine, as long as you remember that without the taxi call nobody knows you have departed so if you spud it in after take off nobodys going to come looking for you.....
Many times I have been at a community airstrip and departed without a taxi call becaseu HF is having another bad day, with the intention of contacting CN once airborne. Perfectly fine, as long as you remember that without the taxi call nobody knows you have departed so if you spud it in after take off nobodys going to come looking for you.....
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The term "PILOT" is an oxymoron.
Every attribute that per person possesses that makes them a good PILOT is the exact same attributes that you would not employ then to do anything!
Every attribute that per person possesses that makes them a good PILOT is the exact same attributes that you would not employ then to do anything!
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As usual..nothing to do with airmanship..just a ******** in a plane..happens at the traffic lights all the time..its not called carmanship there.