A surreal lack of airmanship
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Yes, Ken and (Was Neal but now Fitzy) do the jet fuel via the truck. Don't know if there is or was Jet fuel bowser.
I know crap all about helicopters mate, they could have been pistons for all I know. Just passing on what I heard on the CTAF.
DIVOSH!
DiVosh.. isnt the jet fuel at mildura a truck?
I know crap all about helicopters mate, they could have been pistons for all I know. Just passing on what I heard on the CTAF.
DIVOSH!
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I'm not from Oz but I'm here working for a charter company at the moment and it has to be said that Oz seems to have a huge amount of arrogant tossers in the GA sector. I have worked in many countries but for some reason it just seems that there is a disproportionate amount of generally young pilots who are rude and self important with there head so far up there own arse they are nearly inside out.
Its a shame for the good guys and girls in Oz who get tarred with the same brush. Can't wait leave the big hot island, flights booked.
Its a shame for the good guys and girls in Oz who get tarred with the same brush. Can't wait leave the big hot island, flights booked.
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I have worked in many countries but for some reason it just seems that there is a disproportionate amount of generally young pilots who are rude and self important with there head so far up there own arse they are nearly inside out.
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Lack of respect
Recently had a C402 from a certain Goldfields company in kalgoorlie ??, park infront of me, downwind then fill my aircraft full of dust and stones, then proceeded to shutdown while we were warming up.
Plenty of room, and no reason to park there.
When i fronted him he showed no sign of an apology or professionalism.
Theres one born every minute.
M
Plenty of room, and no reason to park there.
When i fronted him he showed no sign of an apology or professionalism.
Theres one born every minute.
M
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My personal favourite was a charter helicopter that plonked on the RFDS aeromed bay. Bad enough, but to make it worse an arriving RFDS med one was taxiing for the bay and the waiting (blocked) ambulance. When the SMC told the chopper to move (in no uncertain terms) the response was something like 'our pax are just disembarking, we'll only be a minute..." Some anonymous voice on frequency asked them if they parked in wheelchair zones. I guess they probably do.
Some people are just way too important for their own good.
Some people are just way too important for their own good.
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So who is the Broome pilot who enjoyed tying down on my tiedowns a few weeks back in Fitzroy Crossing despite the road cones marking the site as a survey calibration site? Its not like there is a shortage of parking there. Did they think the airport manager had prepared that spot especially for their arrival??
Oh well, I think I might have had the last laugh there.
Oh well, I think I might have had the last laugh there.
Simple solution Aileron. Go to local hardware store and buy appropriate lengths of hardened chain and locks.
When you arrive home and find your tie downs and all other taken by visiting CPL hour builders/ toolish charter pilots
1 Put chains and locks to appropriate use.
2 Attach phone number to chains.
3 Make sure you take your time getting back out to the airport to unlock said chains once you receive phone call.
4 Word gets around soon enough and TADA, unmolested parking space, tie downs and chocks.
5 Call their CFI/CP after they're airborne.
j3
When you arrive home and find your tie downs and all other taken by visiting CPL hour builders/ toolish charter pilots
1 Put chains and locks to appropriate use.
2 Attach phone number to chains.
3 Make sure you take your time getting back out to the airport to unlock said chains once you receive phone call.
4 Word gets around soon enough and TADA, unmolested parking space, tie downs and chocks.
5 Call their CFI/CP after they're airborne.
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see J3, on long trips, most CPL hour builders (like myself) don't know how the airport works and tend to only visit once.. I tend to call the airport and ask them what the parking conditions are like up to a week beforehand.
Fortunately, where I fly, most people are very nice and generous!
A guy filling up his C206 even let me fill up my 20L jerry can for the J-3 I was flying before him, even when he arrived first!
Pyro.
Fortunately, where I fly, most people are very nice and generous!
A guy filling up his C206 even let me fill up my 20L jerry can for the J-3 I was flying before him, even when he arrived first!
Pyro.
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Aileron 69, I'm sure you've made a few 'airmanship' mistakes in your career. I don't think parking your aircraft nose to nose with the parked aircraft, leaving a childish, sarcastic note, or posting photos of your parking on facebook was the right thing to do.
A simple phone call would have solved all issues.
A simple phone call would have solved all issues.
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Just to clarify a few things
Betaman & the air up there,
As Douche pointed out I was not referring to the standard (and required) CTAF calls.
They (obviously) are always made regardless of the flight rules you are operating under.
See, in the big bad scary bush, Centre usually can't hear you when your on the ground, hence the use of HF for your IFR taxi call.
To suggest that I would blast around the bush using only my HF and yelling "Yee-Haa!!" is borderline insulting.
Manymak,
Thanks for the tip about the IFR sartime for departure. But when you are operating charter flights (especially out of aboriginal communities) the actual time of departure plus or minus an hour is always a wild guess. If you compound that with the fact that the airstrip is usually quite a few miles from any sort of telephone simply increases the difficulty.
We do however, insist that the troopie (who dropped off or picked up the passengers) DOES wait after you have departed, which in turn gives you time to make contact with ATC before the drive off.
At night, however dept. SARTIME's are always used when departing from remote strips.
But thanks to all three of you for the comments.
Eternity.
As Douche pointed out I was not referring to the standard (and required) CTAF calls.
They (obviously) are always made regardless of the flight rules you are operating under.
See, in the big bad scary bush, Centre usually can't hear you when your on the ground, hence the use of HF for your IFR taxi call.
To suggest that I would blast around the bush using only my HF and yelling "Yee-Haa!!" is borderline insulting.
Manymak,
Thanks for the tip about the IFR sartime for departure. But when you are operating charter flights (especially out of aboriginal communities) the actual time of departure plus or minus an hour is always a wild guess. If you compound that with the fact that the airstrip is usually quite a few miles from any sort of telephone simply increases the difficulty.
We do however, insist that the troopie (who dropped off or picked up the passengers) DOES wait after you have departed, which in turn gives you time to make contact with ATC before the drive off.
At night, however dept. SARTIME's are always used when departing from remote strips.
But thanks to all three of you for the comments.
Eternity.
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Eternity, if you are flying to remote aboriginal communities, try a next G phone. Only place I've been in the Top End that doesn't have next G service is Croker Island.
Plus, most of the people out there won't mind you using the phone to make a quick call to revise departure time or notify the company your early/late.
Plus, most of the people out there won't mind you using the phone to make a quick call to revise departure time or notify the company your early/late.
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Aileron 69, I'm sure you've made a few 'airmanship' mistakes in your career. I don't think parking your aircraft nose to nose with the parked aircraft, leaving a childish, sarcastic note, or posting photos of your parking on facebook was the right thing to do.
A simple phone call would have solved all issues
A simple phone call would have solved all issues
I always found the Broome pilots lacking in common sense!
Giving en-route reports VFR on Kimberley CTAF, Carrying jerry can of fuel on a charter in the baggage compartment when fuel was available at the destination......... I could go on and on!
Giving en-route reports VFR on Kimberley CTAF, Carrying jerry can of fuel on a charter in the baggage compartment when fuel was available at the destination......... I could go on and on!
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Surreal (adjective);
Bizarre
Weirdly unfamiliar, distorted, or disturbing, like the experiences in a dream or the objects or experiences depicted in surrealism
Maybe the adjective “surreal” doesn’t apply here. Maybe “shocking”, “amazing”, or “woeful” would be more appropriate. Now that I’ve got that out of my system……..
Was lucky enough to be at Temora last weekend. Witnessed a bozo in a Warrior (didn’t get the rego unfortunately….for him!) disrupt the air show proceedings despite the NOTAM describing the temporary restricted area in place for said air show. A couple of the air show people had a rather interesting discussion with said bozo. Undeterred however, said bozo then leapt in his mighty Warrior which was parked with it’s tail pointing to one of our aircraft and proceeded to give it fistful of power to get it moving. He was clearly oblivious to the effect this was having, i.e. causing the rudder of the parked aircraft behind it to be buffeted significantly.
That’s just the latest example I have seen, and sadly I conclude that there will be many more.
I must also (sadly) agree with Bla3 to an extent. I know there are thoroughly professional operators and nice people in GA, however the tossers are becoming more noticeable. And isn’t this just representative of what’s happening in society as a whole?
Bizarre
Weirdly unfamiliar, distorted, or disturbing, like the experiences in a dream or the objects or experiences depicted in surrealism
Maybe the adjective “surreal” doesn’t apply here. Maybe “shocking”, “amazing”, or “woeful” would be more appropriate. Now that I’ve got that out of my system……..
Was lucky enough to be at Temora last weekend. Witnessed a bozo in a Warrior (didn’t get the rego unfortunately….for him!) disrupt the air show proceedings despite the NOTAM describing the temporary restricted area in place for said air show. A couple of the air show people had a rather interesting discussion with said bozo. Undeterred however, said bozo then leapt in his mighty Warrior which was parked with it’s tail pointing to one of our aircraft and proceeded to give it fistful of power to get it moving. He was clearly oblivious to the effect this was having, i.e. causing the rudder of the parked aircraft behind it to be buffeted significantly.
That’s just the latest example I have seen, and sadly I conclude that there will be many more.
I must also (sadly) agree with Bla3 to an extent. I know there are thoroughly professional operators and nice people in GA, however the tossers are becoming more noticeable. And isn’t this just representative of what’s happening in society as a whole?
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"I know there are thoroughly professional operators and nice people in GA, however the tossers are becoming more noticeable. And isn’t this just representative of what’s happening in society as a whole?"
Nope......you're probably noticing it out there as your experience and wisdom levels increase.
Just a thought.
Nope......you're probably noticing it out there as your experience and wisdom levels increase.
Just a thought.
