Pilot Training in New Zealand
As I understand it, the reason Airline Flying Club are so cheap is because they don't operate under part 141, however I understand that may be soon to change, in which case the rates will probably go up to a level more consistent with the other operators on the field.
Edit - Not that that's a reason to not fly with them - I haven't flown with them personally but I've visited the club a couple of times and they seem like nice people.
Edit - Not that that's a reason to not fly with them - I haven't flown with them personally but I've visited the club a couple of times and they seem like nice people.
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Anywhere other than IAANZ.
I'm a student there at the moment, and the place is going down hill rapidly.
The CEO cares only about money, not quality. There's students here right now who have been here for over a year, yet to fly, have failed every PPL and CPL exam multiple times. As long as they keep paying, they can stay.
With a few exceptions, the instructors generally don't give a toss. They want their hours so they can move on, and have little regard for students.
Bottom line is, IAANZ is churning out some VERY poor quality pilots.
I'm a student there at the moment, and the place is going down hill rapidly.
The CEO cares only about money, not quality. There's students here right now who have been here for over a year, yet to fly, have failed every PPL and CPL exam multiple times. As long as they keep paying, they can stay.
With a few exceptions, the instructors generally don't give a toss. They want their hours so they can move on, and have little regard for students.
Bottom line is, IAANZ is churning out some VERY poor quality pilots.
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does whenuapai aviation sports club come under the part 141 ? or is it just a club of enthusiasts.
What is the difference between training in a place which comes under part 141 i.e. flying school and training in places which are not under part 141.
Will it affect my career later if i wanted to become a professional pilot ?
thanks in advance for your advise
What is the difference between training in a place which comes under part 141 i.e. flying school and training in places which are not under part 141.
Will it affect my career later if i wanted to become a professional pilot ?
thanks in advance for your advise
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IAANZ
I don't normally get involved in these sorts of things but i'm going to come to the defense of IAANZ. And before anyone gets stuck in, no, i'm not employed by either the CAC or the IAANZ, I was however a student.
The IAANZ is a large organisation and yes it pushes a lot of students through the system. The fundamental thing that people fail to understand, especially those using the student loan funding is that your mum is not there to look after you. If you want flights, get your instructor or the booking guy to book them. If you wan't to pass your exams first time, do some study and if you don't understand something ask. If you don't want to do this feel free to take days off, go on holiday or sit upstairs drinking coffee and whinging, but be prepared for the course to take longer than a year! Its your choice.
My course had 27 students on it. I know of at least 10 who passed the course in less than 11 months, all while there were 2 other courses with roughly the same number of students in each.
In regard to the instructors just wanting to jump ship. Where are they going to jump ship to? As you may have noticed there is a bit of a slow down in the job market at the moment. I know only of 1 who has an interview out of the current crop. They do give a toss and will be more than happy to help, BUT, only if you put the effort in. As I said above take some responsibility for your own learning.
I know this all sounds a bit harsh, but this is aviation and aviation is the real world, so, unlike high school there are no "did not achieve" just PASS/FAIL.
I would reccomend the IAANZ to any prospective student, its what you make of it.
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The IAANZ is a large organisation and yes it pushes a lot of students through the system. The fundamental thing that people fail to understand, especially those using the student loan funding is that your mum is not there to look after you. If you want flights, get your instructor or the booking guy to book them. If you wan't to pass your exams first time, do some study and if you don't understand something ask. If you don't want to do this feel free to take days off, go on holiday or sit upstairs drinking coffee and whinging, but be prepared for the course to take longer than a year! Its your choice.
My course had 27 students on it. I know of at least 10 who passed the course in less than 11 months, all while there were 2 other courses with roughly the same number of students in each.
In regard to the instructors just wanting to jump ship. Where are they going to jump ship to? As you may have noticed there is a bit of a slow down in the job market at the moment. I know only of 1 who has an interview out of the current crop. They do give a toss and will be more than happy to help, BUT, only if you put the effort in. As I said above take some responsibility for your own learning.
I know this all sounds a bit harsh, but this is aviation and aviation is the real world, so, unlike high school there are no "did not achieve" just PASS/FAIL.
I would reccomend the IAANZ to any prospective student, its what you make of it.
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If you want airlines, then i'd high recommend CTC. Like any newish place, it has its issues however pretty good place to be if you want airlines.
Usual progression for their multi instructors is Eagle & Air NS. Pretty cool A cats about there aswell. Their flying is very structured, so theres no room for things like herobatics ratings or flyaways to comps etc.
Usual progression for their multi instructors is Eagle & Air NS. Pretty cool A cats about there aswell. Their flying is very structured, so theres no room for things like herobatics ratings or flyaways to comps etc.
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The Trailing Edge you have summed it up pretty well.
I too was a student at IAANZ and had to speak up to get flying when the bookings were not equalised. Squeaky wheel gets the oil. And it's not rocket science to pass exams. It is the quantity of information to learn rather than anything that difficult. And if you are having problems, talk to guys that are doing well and see what their study techiques are. A type rating when you make it to the airlines will require a good study technique.
And devolved, why is ctc a good place for getting into the airlines? Not sure what you base that statement on. I know if 2 guys only that went to Eagle and we know well that went. Correct me if I'm wrong please as I haven't heard of anyone else. Though I know of at least one instructor that had an Air NSN interview last week which is good news for her.
I too was a student at IAANZ and had to speak up to get flying when the bookings were not equalised. Squeaky wheel gets the oil. And it's not rocket science to pass exams. It is the quantity of information to learn rather than anything that difficult. And if you are having problems, talk to guys that are doing well and see what their study techiques are. A type rating when you make it to the airlines will require a good study technique.
And devolved, why is ctc a good place for getting into the airlines? Not sure what you base that statement on. I know if 2 guys only that went to Eagle and we know well that went. Correct me if I'm wrong please as I haven't heard of anyone else. Though I know of at least one instructor that had an Air NSN interview last week which is good news for her.
Part 141 versus Part 61.
Really nothing in it. Quality of training comes down the the instructor you fly with, and that can be very good or very poor under both systems. I am not aware of any airlines in New Zealand choosing pilots based on where they learned to fly.
CAA are in the process of making it compulsory for any training other than PPL training to be conducted by a part 141 organisation. All in the interests of improving standards you understand.
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Well you might be surprised to learn this happens at most aero clubs and flying schools.
Really nothing in it. Quality of training comes down the the instructor you fly with, and that can be very good or very poor under both systems. I am not aware of any airlines in New Zealand choosing pilots based on where they learned to fly.
CAA are in the process of making it compulsory for any training other than PPL training to be conducted by a part 141 organisation. All in the interests of improving standards you understand.
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Usual progression for their multi instructors is Eagle & Air NS.
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27/9 beat me to it.... Go to a Pt.141 outfit.
If you want to do the full upsized meal deal training package to CPL/MEIR/C-cat then pick a place that can do it all. I recommend doing it at a place where there may be opportunities to work at on completion and not just instructing, somewhere that has a commercial ATO side to the business.... like Mainland Air, HB&EC Aero Club, Flight Training/Air Manawatu, Air Wanganui ?? New Plymouth Aero Club for examples....
Cheers
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If you want to do the full upsized meal deal training package to CPL/MEIR/C-cat then pick a place that can do it all. I recommend doing it at a place where there may be opportunities to work at on completion and not just instructing, somewhere that has a commercial ATO side to the business.... like Mainland Air, HB&EC Aero Club, Flight Training/Air Manawatu, Air Wanganui ?? New Plymouth Aero Club for examples....
Cheers
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I know if 2 guys only that went to Eagle and we know well that went
I remember sometime ago seeing a write up in one of the Aviation News editions (I think) new proud as punch eagle pilots straight from CTC.
so what's the low down??
The idea of airlines taking low hour CPL's in New Zealand has it's issues, like lack of P in C time for ATPL and having the total hours to be able to upgrade to take a command in the normal time frames.
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Interesting thread.
here is a question, WHO actually trains in NZ under a part141?
Quite a few have a 141, for flight testing, and for aerobatic training, but how many operate it for flight training.?? that is the question.
the results may surprise, so, boys and girls, go and check first.
By training with a certified 141, with a CAA audit process??
c'mon, answers please.
Instructors and the motivation of students themselves, count for a lot in the 'making' of a good pilot.
I have seen too many with the wrong attitude..............
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here is a question, WHO actually trains in NZ under a part141?
Quite a few have a 141, for flight testing, and for aerobatic training, but how many operate it for flight training.?? that is the question.
the results may surprise, so, boys and girls, go and check first.
By training with a certified 141, with a CAA audit process??
c'mon, answers please.
Instructors and the motivation of students themselves, count for a lot in the 'making' of a good pilot.
I have seen too many with the wrong attitude..............
Cheers
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Quite a few have a 141, for flight testing, and for aerobatic training, but how many operate it for flight training.?? that is the question.
the results may surprise, so, boys and girls, go and check first.
By training with a certified 141, with a CAA audit process??
c'mon, answers please.
the results may surprise, so, boys and girls, go and check first.
By training with a certified 141, with a CAA audit process??
c'mon, answers please.
Massey University operate under part 141 and without fail get audited every 6 months by the CAA.
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Massey University operate under part 141 and without fail get audited every 6 months by the CAA.
I'm sure you get audited 6-12mths after an initial approval, then, depending on the quality of the audit, you should get a 2-5yr renewal with just random spot audits in between.
Every 6mths sounds like they (CAA) are working hard to keep Massey in line.
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Is that representative of their quality? getting audited every 6mths?
I'm sure you get audited 6-12mths after an initial approval, then, depending on the quality of the audit, you should get a 2-5yr renewal with just random spot audits in between.
Every 6mths sounds like they (CAA) are working hard to keep Massey in line.
I'm sure you get audited 6-12mths after an initial approval, then, depending on the quality of the audit, you should get a 2-5yr renewal with just random spot audits in between.
Every 6mths sounds like they (CAA) are working hard to keep Massey in line.
pays auditors from CAA to ensure it is still teaching to the standard as expected from CAA.