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Originally Posted by Dunnza
When I asked for a newbie, I got over 240 applications. Yes 240applications and I responded to every single one so 239 of them!!!!!
What was the experience range of those looking for a newbie position? Understandably I'd imagine there would be a plethora of 152 and Warrior bandits applying, but what were some of the higher experience levels/competencies that people had reached before looking for their first position?
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Dunnza and XXX its all about karma. I see some good things on the horizon for you guys. It is in fact incredibly rare for a ga company to repond to job applications given the sheer numbers of people sitting in syd mel bne trying to get a job by sending out letters. It really speaks volumes of your respective organisations. That is not to say that if a ga company doesn't reply that they are not a good organisation! As dunnza points out the number of letters received can be significant.
Polymer do not let these numbers put you off. 95% are people that will not leave home.They are the types that might be spotted regularly turning up to uni in uniform (the opposite sex thing you are queit stupid).
I worked for a ga company that was a bit out of the way once and was amazed at how few people actually knocked on the door looking for a job. Plenty of letters though. We only kept the ones that were near the minimum requirement or ones that showed promise (likely 1 page followed up with a call and a visit then an update).
Polymer do not let these numbers put you off. 95% are people that will not leave home.They are the types that might be spotted regularly turning up to uni in uniform (the opposite sex thing you are queit stupid).
I worked for a ga company that was a bit out of the way once and was amazed at how few people actually knocked on the door looking for a job. Plenty of letters though. We only kept the ones that were near the minimum requirement or ones that showed promise (likely 1 page followed up with a call and a visit then an update).
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When I asked for a newbie, I got over 240 applications. Yes 240applications and I responded to every single one so 239 of them!!!!!
I worked for a ga company that was a bit out of the way once and was amazed at how few people actually knocked on the door looking for a job.
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You really are cynical aren't you, perhaps you should change ur name to oblivious pilot, or turkey pilot. You have no idea do you.
If I get an email in my construction business with resume attached, I'll generally ignore it. If I get a phone call I'll read it and if they come in I'll interview them. If you say that the industry employment process is not fair or open I suggest you open your eyes. I put adds in the paper and get about 50 calls, about 20 of those send resumes and only about 5 will bother to ASK for some of my time to come in and tell me why I should employ them and generally 2 of those will ask for a trial.
If pilots want a job they should email, phone, call in, ask for an interview and ask for a trial, NOT a job. (kiwis should continue what they are doing and leave).
The process is fair, it weeds out the mummas boys and allows for those who truly want a job to get one.
If you can't afford to hit the road then don't winge about it. Borrow money, or get a job labouring for three months a save, then hit the road on greyhound with a tent and then on a push bike if you are still poor.
If I get an email in my construction business with resume attached, I'll generally ignore it. If I get a phone call I'll read it and if they come in I'll interview them. If you say that the industry employment process is not fair or open I suggest you open your eyes. I put adds in the paper and get about 50 calls, about 20 of those send resumes and only about 5 will bother to ASK for some of my time to come in and tell me why I should employ them and generally 2 of those will ask for a trial.
If pilots want a job they should email, phone, call in, ask for an interview and ask for a trial, NOT a job. (kiwis should continue what they are doing and leave).
The process is fair, it weeds out the mummas boys and allows for those who truly want a job to get one.
If you can't afford to hit the road then don't winge about it. Borrow money, or get a job labouring for three months a save, then hit the road on greyhound with a tent and then on a push bike if you are still poor.
longrass in a sense i agree with you. but the thing is, at the end of the day, the poor newbie CPL is going to have to up and move to another state/territory and there is still the chance, that once they get to their new base, spend heaps of cash to get themselves and their gear up here, flunk the S&P and get told that they arn't right for that company and their still in the same boat as they would be if they just moved up here in the first place. At least if they make the effort to move up here first, get themselves a part time job stacking shelves or serving in a bar to make ends meet, go and chew the fat and build up a good reputation and then score that first job.
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putting your balls on the line
Cynical I think its purely a supply and demand thing. I've worked in all sorts of industries and most places favour people that will try to meet the people that do the hiring and firing face to face.
The place that I worked was not that far from a major centre, lets say 3 hours one way by car. An ugly, hot, expensive, ****hole however.
I certainly wasn't rolling in cash being many many thousands in debt through various loans and institutions combined with the baked beans on toast thing. Juggling credit, food , accom loans ect.
You would be horrified to hear that several times during my career I've made journeys involving literally days of driving and/or buying an expensive airfare to walk in and shake the CP's hand hand over my one page CV and leave. And then do it all again to get the rating/course/ticket that they had as min requirement when a job came up.
I guess it comes down to how much you want it. Had a mate spend 50k on a licence but couldn't get past the cost of accommodation in the north west so he gave up. An interesting investment strategy indeed.
This is the reality of the industry. As a previous poster points out it weeds out those that really want it to those that REALLY want it. And given the work/conditions/situations when you get it you've got to R E A L L Y want it and my mate that gave up did himself and everyone else a favour because he just didn't have what it takes.
You will find a way that works for you.
The place that I worked was not that far from a major centre, lets say 3 hours one way by car. An ugly, hot, expensive, ****hole however.
I certainly wasn't rolling in cash being many many thousands in debt through various loans and institutions combined with the baked beans on toast thing. Juggling credit, food , accom loans ect.
You would be horrified to hear that several times during my career I've made journeys involving literally days of driving and/or buying an expensive airfare to walk in and shake the CP's hand hand over my one page CV and leave. And then do it all again to get the rating/course/ticket that they had as min requirement when a job came up.
I guess it comes down to how much you want it. Had a mate spend 50k on a licence but couldn't get past the cost of accommodation in the north west so he gave up. An interesting investment strategy indeed.
This is the reality of the industry. As a previous poster points out it weeds out those that really want it to those that REALLY want it. And given the work/conditions/situations when you get it you've got to R E A L L Y want it and my mate that gave up did himself and everyone else a favour because he just didn't have what it takes.
You will find a way that works for you.
When will aviation get like every other industry in this country and have a fair and open job application process?
P.S. For that money, I'll be their bongo driver...
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All for people coming in and saying hello while handing over there resume. But most employers dont want to read a boring yet another dull cv and resume.
The guy that I took on and a fresh CPL is 38years old and wanted a career change!
You know why he got the job?
On his resume he thought outside the box, he engaged me in his covering letter to the extent I picked up the phone and asked for him to come in for a time that was convient to him. He rocked up within 30mins!
The guy that I took on and a fresh CPL is 38years old and wanted a career change!
You know why he got the job?
On his resume he thought outside the box, he engaged me in his covering letter to the extent I picked up the phone and asked for him to come in for a time that was convient to him. He rocked up within 30mins!
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so I'm hoping a soon-to-be-ex-group financial controller should have other skills to add than just flying (esp around c/flow mgmt and forecasting which is THE most important aspect for any business) 
When a job is advertised requesting that applications be emailed or completed on a website, I will not ring and follow up - indeed to save the employer the time to answer a plethora of phone calls. Sounds like I have been doing something wrong Mr Hat 
You would be horrified to hear that several times during my career I've made journeys involving literally days of driving and buying an expensive airfare to walk in and shake the CP's hand hand over my one page CV and leave.
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Dry your freakin eyes guys....
The industry has been like this since day one. You knew it when you signed up. If you don't like it, go be a bus driver or something else where everyone is nice to you, and you can eat cake whenever you want. Let the rest of us who are passionate about this industry carry on in peace.
Toughen up for christs sake.
Toughen up for christs sake.