A380 in heavy landing at Oshkosh
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A380 in heavy landing at Oshkosh
Pretty hairy arrival in a firm crosswind at the fly in left a few people gasping and reaching for their cameras.
The wing flex is something to behold.
EAA AirVenture 2009 Video Series: Airbus A380 Hard Landing
The wing flex is something to behold.
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Technique!
Yes, Keg, so true.
In my x/wind briefings, I used to ask command trainees what was the most important thing in a x/wind landing. They would come up with speed margin, positioning of the flight deck relative to the centreline [B747], application of rudder, wings level with aileron, etc, etc!
Then in red capitals across the top of the board, I'd write one simple word;
FLARE!
Have a look at the video.
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In my x/wind briefings, I used to ask command trainees what was the most important thing in a x/wind landing. They would come up with speed margin, positioning of the flight deck relative to the centreline [B747], application of rudder, wings level with aileron, etc, etc!
Then in red capitals across the top of the board, I'd write one simple word;
FLARE!
Have a look at the video.
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Feather#3 ... thats exactly what I thought the first time I saw it.....and I know nuffin about landing big jets.....
I would say they learned to flare in the TB10's......just forgot when the computers said hand fly it yaself!!!
PS Edit: Just watched it again, he does flare a bit over the body angle of the approach.... but clearly not enough sooner. Mind you he did keep it on the runway......I am not sure it would have been reusable if that was me
I would say they learned to flare in the TB10's......just forgot when the computers said hand fly it yaself!!!
PS Edit: Just watched it again, he does flare a bit over the body angle of the approach.... but clearly not enough sooner. Mind you he did keep it on the runway......I am not sure it would have been reusable if that was me
Last edited by Jabawocky; 29th Jul 2009 at 23:57.
The Capt musta been a ex-navy carrier jock!
Flare to land? = Squat to pee!
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PS: Looks to me like he just fell outta the sky. We have all done it - perhaps not with such a big audience!
Flare to land? = Squat to pee!
Dr
PS: Looks to me like he just fell outta the sky. We have all done it - perhaps not with such a big audience!
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It was a cruncher but I guess a 2400m x 45m wide RWY is looking pretty small when used to seeing 3500 x 60m Rwys.
But then again who hasn't buried one before or who won't bury one tomorrow. 
I bet as soon as he started to retard the thrust levers he thought
"OH
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But then again who hasn't buried one before or who won't bury one tomorrow. I bet as soon as he started to retard the thrust levers he thought
"OH
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commentator?? what a w@nker
I think old mate Dan is a bit of a tosser... PIO?? i'd say he was just working to keep it on the runway. check how close the LH main gear assembly gets to the RWY edge
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FFS - lucky I dont have a camera filming all my landings or that dumb arsed commentator would be continually banging on about my Pilot induced bone jarring crunchers, bouncers, waggling wings, falling off wings, oscillations, general f-ups. It really is a veritable rollercoaster with me at the controls!
Dan's a wank@r. Firm but not hard. A one point sixer, I'd say. Needed a bit more of a boot at the flare. One of those occasions where you flare the right amount but the machine just keeps going down, or perhaps his Visual Aim Point technique needs a bit of work...
Great link tnxs guys, great footage just goes to show that with all the sophistication with all the training with all the expertise available today the pilot simply made a bad landing, he's human just like the rest of us
It's obvious to me though that his sink rate was high enough not to be able to arrest it at the last moment. Don't forget this airframe would have been light too not at MLW. I've seen bad x-wing ldg's many a time (as we all have (on You-Tube) notice no attempt to put the left wheel assemblies down first even slightly to reduce the overall impact, a technique used by every sized A/C at times. Still am sure the airframe will get a closer than normal inspection for creases by everyone who goes anywwhere near it
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It's obvious to me though that his sink rate was high enough not to be able to arrest it at the last moment. Don't forget this airframe would have been light too not at MLW. I've seen bad x-wing ldg's many a time (as we all have (on You-Tube) notice no attempt to put the left wheel assemblies down first even slightly to reduce the overall impact, a technique used by every sized A/C at times. Still am sure the airframe will get a closer than normal inspection for creases by everyone who goes anywwhere near itWmk2
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Which member of the Royal Family was it that did the hard landing in the Royal BAE146? Prince Phillip? From memory he wasn't used to the skinnier than normal runway and with the whole illusion thing smacked her down pretty hard and as such lost his flying privelages...... who has a good memory?
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Got to agree with Capmdaog; there's no PIO there. He took off left rudder (put on right) to align the nose with the runway after touchdown and then re-applied left rudder to keep the machine going down the centreline. If he didn't do the first, then he'd go left off the runway after landing and if he didn't do the second he'd go right. There's two deliberate rudder inputs, and that does not constitute PIO.
So we've got an armchair expert, who is not type rated on the A380 (but the B777), using terms he clearly does not understand. No wonder it took me only one weekend and the biggest joke of multi-choice technical tests to get my FAA ATPL; my knowledge must be brilliant if he's the standard required
Yeah, it's a very positive touchdown and he MAY have taken the power off a bit too early (I don't KNOW because I don't fly the A380) but it's in the right place on a limiting runway and, presumably, at the right speed. I've seen harder in my military days
PS: I'd be really worried if the wings didn't flex.
PPS: Prince Charles. Queen's Flight BAe 146. Islay (Scotland). 29 Jun 1994.
So we've got an armchair expert, who is not type rated on the A380 (but the B777), using terms he clearly does not understand. No wonder it took me only one weekend and the biggest joke of multi-choice technical tests to get my FAA ATPL; my knowledge must be brilliant if he's the standard required
Yeah, it's a very positive touchdown and he MAY have taken the power off a bit too early (I don't KNOW because I don't fly the A380) but it's in the right place on a limiting runway and, presumably, at the right speed. I've seen harder in my military days
PS: I'd be really worried if the wings didn't flex.
PPS: Prince Charles. Queen's Flight BAe 146. Islay (Scotland). 29 Jun 1994.
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I have just dumped planes without much flare on short runways and it may have looked somewhat spectacular but, not as spectacular as running off the end.Probably flown by the company test pilots who are known for their concentration on the main goal rather than making it look good for the fans. The wings would flex quite a bit more than a 777 or any twin because of the outboard engine. The very wide wingspan would make the tips flex quite an amount and it would appear excessive to the inexperienced. Not many 380s in the US
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notice no attempt to put the left wheel assemblies down first even slightly to reduce the overall impact
That is NOT a technique used on the 380