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Merged: Pel Air vs RFDS for the Air Ambulance contract in Australia

Old 8th Jul 2009, 16:00
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I think Wally is big enough and ugly enough to say in this instance in aviation you never say never!!!!!
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Old 9th Jul 2009, 12:08
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Rumour is that the Tasmanian government are looking at going all rotary with a Bell 412 based out of the north west and another one in Hobart.

The Dr Sharley report is pro helicopter a lot more efficient, medical staff prefer rotary and it has the ability to operate in all weathers to the west coast etc. Interesting reading for those who like to see how government departments look at problem solving etc.

Looks like the B200 is so last century!
Really a combination of rotary & fixed wing would be a better option for tassie, be pretty ordinary trip on the golden triangle in rotary! Sort of a combined rotorlift / rfds thing under the one roof. Use the most suitable machine for the job at hand.
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Old 9th Jul 2009, 13:26
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medical staff prefer rotary and it has the ability to operate in all weathers to the west coast
As mentioned, icing would kill it, not to mention low level turbulence. Have the T shirt.
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Old 9th Jul 2009, 16:13
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couple of questions on this thread

Q1 - who changed the title of this thread and why? it started off as something like "RFDS get boot from VIC air ambulance" - was it politically correct to change the title or was someone's ego hurt too much??
Q2 - what is the prediction for the rest of the air ambulance contacts coming due? - my guess is - NSW = Pelair, QLD = Pelair, NT = Pelair and CareFlight. If this is proved correct it will herald a resurgence of commercial providers of contract aviation services and also put RFDS back where they do their best work, fed govt funded remote services - Clyde sent RFDS in the wrong commercial direction and they have been learning that lesson for the past 7 years, losing money hand over fist just so his ego could be stroked by wan*er politicians.
All those of you who don't have a clue - and from the quality of the posts here on this subject it is the majority, save your comments and smilies and wait for someone who knows what is going on to make a valid contribution.

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Old 10th Jul 2009, 00:23
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Rumour around YMEN today is that Capt Wally is moving on, apparently he got the gig to replace Micheal Jackson in the Jackson5 comeback tour.
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Old 10th Jul 2009, 00:59
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I can tell you the contracts have done nothing but good things for SE Section and they have been well resourced all the way. I say well done to the people of SE Section who have contributed to the contract bases. The thing is the contract was not lost, it was always going to end on July 1 2011, it has just not been re-won and I would bet in this case it is not based on past performance.

Wait and see on SY, you are only guessing.
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Old 10th Jul 2009, 01:52
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"All those of you who don't have a clue - and from the quality of the posts here on this subject it is the majority, save your comments and smilies and wait for someone who knows what is going on to make a valid contribution."
What?.......as in a valid contribution to a RUMOR network........... long bows and wide guessing is what it's all about... (this smiley is on me).
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Old 10th Jul 2009, 07:24
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save your comments and smilies and wait for someone who knows what is going on to make a valid contribution.
All hail the Messiah!
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Old 10th Jul 2009, 12:53
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Evening All,

Long time reader and admirer (well....most of the time!), first time poster!

And what effect will all this, if it be true and correct, do you lot think this will have on the Tassie Ops??

Is the thinking that they will also fall?? If so, when is that contract up?

Cheers All!!

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Old 11th Jul 2009, 04:21
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Is the B350 type decided or just rumour.

If decided, it has the shortfall of not being able to operate IFR at night to a destination not served by an approved Instrument Approach.
(AIP ENR - Flight Planning)

Maybe that is not so much a problem in the south of the country?
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Old 11th Jul 2009, 06:22
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With regards to the NSWAA contract as others have said, we are all guessing at this stage.
Current rumour and far from being decided is a combination of 200/350 at this stage, (possibly 2x2) this will ultimately be determined by the ambulance service.
I don't have the AIP's handy, would the requirement to carry an alternate not be sufficient ? (given the 350 is over 5700)
It would affect ops into about 7 airports in western NSW. (not including the area served by the BHI aircraft)
The boys and girls at EN will be hoping like hell that Rex management have a dramatic change of attitude towards their staff before 1/7/2011 (assuming current staff are offered ongoing employment)
It will no doubt be a very different "conditions sandwich" being offered by Pelair/Rex/SQ.
Good luck to all when the time comes.
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Old 11th Jul 2009, 14:45
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You are of course correct. There are compliance issues regarding the use of 350's. Two crew or SP, the IFR aerodrome thing and balanced field etc. CASA can issue exemtions of course but I don't see this happening on a permanant basis.They also have to crew these aircraft and that would require ATPL allowance and there still is no excess of available qualified pilots. The next operator should be very carefull not to under quote.

The 350 bit is just rumer and no more, I would not be suprised if 200's are re-instated.
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Old 12th Jul 2009, 03:11
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You could use the 350 for the inter city stuff as they are a bit quicker and use the 200's for the remote work.
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Old 12th Jul 2009, 04:18
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Now then, here we go again. It seems they may have been going for the Vic Air ambulance contract. I hear now that they have it.

Horatio
Was chatting with an ex-Pelair driver the other day who told me PelAir have tendered for the NSW Air Ambulance contract against the RFDS, using B350s.
350's cant do a no aid aerodrome at night. Not sure how effective that would be? Or do they only do the non-critical work on a pre planned route? Would the extra capacity of a 350 cover the extra cost of the FO?


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Old 12th Jul 2009, 04:43
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CASA might issue pel air with a dispensation for the B350 non aid Night approaches due to >5'700 kgs's weight req's. I'm sure there is a work around the problem.
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Old 12th Jul 2009, 07:16
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There seems to be a misconception by some pilots that the B350 requires a Copilot. Not so as I understand it. Check the flight manual.
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Old 12th Jul 2009, 08:20
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B350 is a single pilot aircraft unless your company selects to operate as multi crew.
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Old 12th Jul 2009, 13:52
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Agree with the other posters, the B350 is a single pilot aircraft.

However the current AUS regulations have input in the crewing situation; single pilot is ok in the PVT category, but in either CHT or RPT two crew is required as the type is over 5700 kg.

So in the context of this issue it will depend (if the B350 is the typeto be used) on whether the operation is considered to be PVT or CHT.

CASA might issue pel air with a dispensation for the B350 non aid Night approaches due to >5'700 kgs's weight req's. I'm sure there is a work around the problem
Tend to think that if dispensations are given to this operator it may open a few flood gates that CASA may not want to open.

Perhaps it would be simplier to amend the regulations to modernise the weight categories so as to allow the single pilot use of the aircraft such as the B350 in single pilot CHT use. However I really don't see the wheels of progress meshing with the timeframe of the contract change.

BTW, the 350 is a great machine and (depending on operational requirments of course) does have many advantages over the 200, however these advantages need to weighed up against the disadvantages found within the current > 5700kg regulatory requirements.
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Old 13th Jul 2009, 00:42
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I do not know of any requirement for 2 pilots for the B350 just because it is being operated in Charter category. I am happy to be corrected though.

There may be a requirement for a cabin attendant if the aircraft is carrying more than 15 passengers IAW CAO 20.16 Para 6

6 Cabin attendants
6.1 Subject to subsection 6A, aircraft engaged in charter or regular public
transport operations shall carry cabin attendants appropriate to their passenger
complement as follows:
(a) aircraft carrying more than 15 but not more than 36 passengers shall carry
a cabin attendant, except that aircraft:
(i) carrying not more than 22 passengers, at least 3 of whom are infants
or children; and
(ii) crewed by 2 pilots;
need not carry a cabin attendant if the duties and responsibilities of the
flight crew concerning the briefing and control of passengers in normal
and emergency operations are specified in the operations manual;

Most operators of aircraft capable of this number of passengers chose to use 2 pilots as CAO 20.18 mandated 2 crew if the aircraft was not fitted with an autopilot. Very few of these aircraft ( Metro 3/23, B1900, EMB 110 etc) have autopilots.

Jetcraft operated some of their Metroís single pilot and also Jerry McGowan operated his B1900Dís single pilot on the night freight operation.

I doubt that the B350 would be capable of being configured for more than 15 passengers especially in a medical configuration.

I am specifically not commenting on any use of the B350 in RPT operations.
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Old 13th Jul 2009, 04:53
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Black Maria,
I'm not first-hand familiar with all the aerial medical work being flown in Australia. But at least some of it is niether PVT, or CHTR (and it's obviously not RPT). It falls under AWK - so is commercial in nature but not subject to some of the requirements written for CHTR/RTP.
And I too suspect you're correct in your statement about "wheels of progress" and real world, acceptable time to put something in place. Perhaps CASA could include this change in their document re-write...

PCX,
Perhaps the nurse is considered to be a crew member and cabin attendant, giving briefings to pax etc.
But yeah they would be going well to get 15+ onboard anyway...
And it's got an autopilot...

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