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Parafield Mid-Air

Old 9th Feb 2009, 07:56
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gents, it's easy to criticise, but what are they supposed to go on if no-one gives them anything?

see a couple of 'ovation's earlier post regarding them ringing around the flight schools for info.
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Old 9th Feb 2009, 08:22
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sthaussiepilot wrote:

Why do they have to go and get useless opinions from people who have really got no idea.
Because most of those people with useless uninformed opinions watch Seven news I guess. Channel Ten was far more factual and objective.
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Old 9th Feb 2009, 22:00
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What's really weird is that I can't find a single article online about this. I missed the news coverage. If anyone has a link to share.......
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 09:26
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I spoke to a few ppl out there, some issue with lack of communication between pilots, as ATC was not online at that point. But lets hope the main thing to come of all this is that ppl learn from it and thankfully no one was hurt.
The last thing we all want is a bad rap from the media, I heard that they are keen to try to shut parafield down due to complaints from local residents? Not sure if thats the truth.... any comments or feedback?
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 10:26
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Flygirl, that area is perpetuated by some rather stupid people who built their house next to a busy airport and then started whinging! In fact three of them, as Parafield, Edinburgh and Adelaide are pretty much on top of each other. The resentment in the community is quite high. I know because I was there for quite a while and there is an active shut down Parafield Airport organisation who are quite vocal. There was often stuff in the local areas.. Even at one stage when a BE76 had an undercarriage issue, there were news crews out there to capture it. Despite the aircraft landing without incident!
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 22:27
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I heard that they are keen to try to shut parafield down due to complaints from local residents?
Here is an example of exactly what you're talking about. Taken from this website and posted late last year.

http://news-review-messenger.whereilive.com.au/news/story/mayoral-call-for-parafield-liftoff/

PARAFIELD Airport should be relocated to make way for housing, Salisbury Mayor Gillian Aldridge said.

“The airport has been good for the city but we have a new vision for our city,” she told the News Review Messenger.

“An airport in the middle of Salisbury is not what’s best for Salisbury.”

Ms Aldridge said there were better uses for the 437ha land saying more housing was needed to cope with Salisbury’s booming population.

“Let’s redevelop that land into nice open spaces and housing,” she said.

Ms Aldridge said the airport should be moved further north in the “Wakefield electorate” but did not specify where.

She said noise caused by Parafield was another reason for relocation.

The mayor’s call to relocate Parafield Airport came in the same week as a fatal light plane crashed in Victoria. A trainee pilot from Moorabbin Airport, in Melbourne’s south, crashed into a suburban garage and burst into flames after a mid-air collision.

Ms Aldridge said safety concerns were not behind her call to relocate Parafield.

“I’ve personally lived there for 43 years and have never felt unsafe living under a flight path,” she said.

Flight Training Adelaide (FTA) operates a flying school at Parafield and company CEO Johan Pienaar said the airport had an excellent safety record.

“Before any inexperienced person is allowed to fly they have to meet all the minimal requirements,” he said.

“There’s always people that are going to complain regardless were you build it.”

Federal Wakefield (ALP) MP Nick Champion said he would be happy to look at a proposal but that any move would be made only after consultation with local community, businesses and airport owners.
Funny thing is, most people in the area can't afford to live anywhere else so they buy up where it's cheap (and also where there is an airport) and then start complaining
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Old 12th Feb 2009, 00:08
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Personally,... I love living under the flight path, but I am one of those 'strange' aviators.. LOL

Natit, its so true what u say. If they shut down parafield, they will just start complaining about something else. No matter what happens, there is always someone who has too much time on their hands to think about things.
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Old 12th Feb 2009, 00:10
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I also question how Salisbury's population is booming. I know for a fact that last year was the first time in a decade that Adelaide's population had gone up!
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Old 12th Feb 2009, 00:20
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Angry

Not sure on that one Coke Drinker, there is alot of development out that way, especially Mawson Lakes (think thats what its called)... Have been driving out there alot over the last 2 weeks, and did my first flt out of parafield the other day... lots of things happening. Maybe they think that they will get the airfield for development some day soon?
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Old 12th Feb 2009, 00:39
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Personally, xenophobia plays its part here too. The most oft-quoted information, apart from the noise pollution aspects, concerns the foreign students/trainers which use the facility. Deep down, I think this has all the hallmarks of the old 'yellow peril'.

Anyway, to get Parafield to move, the advocacy groups would have to convince a federal court to overturn the 50-year lease on the property by Adelaide Airport. Good luck with that.

The two sites mooted are Murray Bridge and Mallala I believe. Nice drive out to both, to be honest, and as a local student, to continue my flight training, I'd be willing to make them. But gee, if I can avoid it....
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Old 12th Feb 2009, 03:40
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There should be a law that states if you move into an area where there is an airport you are not allowed to bitch about aircraft noise!
If I was in charge of any Airport, I would offer free sound proofing to any resident under the flight path who was living there before the airport was built. I think you will find that there would probably be one 95 year old deaf lady able to get it. The rest can go and get f$%&ed!
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Old 12th Feb 2009, 08:59
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Murray Bridge and Mallala I believe. Nice drive out to both
You have got to be kidding me!

to continue my flight training, I'd be willing to make them.
Geez big statement! Hiring a 152 at 200/hr is bad enough let alone driving a few hrs out in the sticks with petrol at $1.50 a litre

Someones cashed up!
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Old 12th Feb 2009, 09:29
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Highly unlikely to move anywhere. I've been in Adelaide for years and every now and then some nob pops up with the sell off Parafield bit. When you actually look into it deeper you find these same people have vested interests such as developers or local traders that have a wish list.
The airport operators have a lease ( I thought for 99yrs but might be 50) which a condition of is it has to be retained as an airport. The lease holder is allowed to sub lease certain areas for commercial development and that is why you see Bunnings etc on the boundarys. In any even even if the lease was recinded there would be probably more people protesting for it's retentsion as who wants another urban sprawl? Not in tune with current planning techniques where you have open buffer zones between suburbs for water recyling and catchment/wetlands etc. So a GA airport fills the bill nicely.
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Old 12th Feb 2009, 09:41
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This is a little "off topic", but for those who don't know, there was a swathe of land taken from the South end of Parafield to allow the new road to go through.

For Parafield Airport Limited (PAL) to agree to the resumption of that piece of land for the road, the authorities (government) agreed to allow PAL to rezone a significant amount of land to Commercial/Industrial. It's in the SW corner of RWY 21 and RWY 26.

The stroke of a pen created a potential benefit to PAL of around $200M.

Not bad for an investment of about $10M, with the main beneficiary being (I believe) one of Adelaide's finest boy's School.
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Old 12th Feb 2009, 12:12
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Geez big statement! Hiring a 152 at 200/hr is bad enough let alone driving a few hrs out in the sticks with petrol at $1.50 a litre

Someones cashed up!
No, I pay for the whole lot myself. I publicly claim that I just wanna fly but I'm sure deep down, it's just good old fashioned wholesome masochism. There's an element of trying to look at the brightside of double the travel time for flight training too.....

Petrol hasn't been $1.50/L for a while, though.
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Old 12th Feb 2009, 12:25
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Sooo, any more info on the collision?

Word surely has spread around by now.
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Old 13th Feb 2009, 00:16
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Sooo, any more info on the collision?

Word surely has spread around by now.
Surely there is enough info in the first half of this thread for you to gossip about.

The people involved are fine so it seems. Apart from that... who ing cares.

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Old 13th Feb 2009, 05:39
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Surely there is enough info in the first half of this thread for you to gossip about.

The people involved are fine so it seems. Apart from that... who ing cares.
I care, and many of the other pilots who operate out of PF care.

We need to know what caused the incident, so we can put methods in place to make sure it doesn't happen in the future.

This isn't about gossip, it's about safety. I've lost count of the number of times I've had a faceful of Tobago or Grob when operating in CTAF purely because they haven't made the required calls. I need to be able to describe this situation to my company pilots so that they can avoid near misses like this in the future.

I'm aware the people involved are OK, that is obviously a good outcome. However this had the potential to be extremely serious. Just because the outcome was OK, doesn't mean we dismiss the incident and say 'who fing cares..'. That kind of attitude doesn't sit well in aviation.
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Old 13th Feb 2009, 12:25
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Well if you have the best of intentions, and it is an ongoing problem... perhaps a go and talk to FTA? (CASA?) Get the facts, and deal with the problem properly.

I don't think the speculations posted on a rumour network can be overly beneficial.
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Old 13th Feb 2009, 22:37
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Strim!

I've lost count of the number of times I've had a faceful of Tobago or Grob when operating in CTAF purely because they haven't made the required calls.
You obviosly use the radio, not your eyes to avoid aircraft in non towered operations, so I am not surprised you have a "faceful of Tobago".

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