L29 Overrun at North Shore NZ
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When I flew it, it had recently been refurbished and looked great, inside and out. Great ADI/HSI combo, far better than anything else around at the time, and it was pretty roomy.
Nowadays, you have those plastic things with the diesel engines that need reconditioning after 20 mins...
Nowadays, you have those plastic things with the diesel engines that need reconditioning after 20 mins...
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Fighter jet jockey won't be grounded
By LIZ WILLIS - North Shore Times | Thursday, 05 February 2009
A crash at North Shore Aero Club has temporarily grounded Abbas Shahroodi’s fighter jet.
The brakes failed on his former Romanian Air Force L29 Delfin on Sunday and he "ran out of runway" and crashed into a fence, says Mr Shahroodi.
Mr Shahroodi, a Castor Bay resident, says he wasn’t injured and the damage to the jet’s nose gear is repairable.
He says his training to deal with emergency situations kicked in but admits he felt a "level of discomfort".
Mr Shahroodi says it had been a great day for flying and while something like brake failure was not unexpected it could happen.
Aircraft are one of the safest means of transport, says Mr Shahroodi.
The fact it was a jet involved in the accident meant it attracted a lot of public attention at the Dairy Flat airfield, he says.
Postmans Rd was closed for several hours while emergency services dealt with the accident. About 15 fire appliances attended. The Civil Aviation Authority is investigating the crash.
Mr Shahroodi spoke to the North Shore Times in January about the thrill of fulfilling a dream to fly a fighter jet at 700kmh.
The speed thrill is greater than any sportscar, said the 49-year-old Gamma Computers director who emigrated from Iran 23 years ago.
"It’s like going downhill in a car when you have lost the brakes," said Mr Shahroodi.
"You cannot fly it slowly. It’s the highest level of aviation experience."
Mr Shahroodi owns two L29 Delfins, which gobble up $1600 worth of fuel an hour, because the Romanian Air Force only sold them in pairs.
This year he hopes to buy a Mig 23 or 29 and fly at two-and-a-half times the speed of sound.
Fighter jet jockey won't be grounded - Local News on Stuff.co.nz
By LIZ WILLIS - North Shore Times | Thursday, 05 February 2009
A crash at North Shore Aero Club has temporarily grounded Abbas Shahroodi’s fighter jet.
The brakes failed on his former Romanian Air Force L29 Delfin on Sunday and he "ran out of runway" and crashed into a fence, says Mr Shahroodi.
Mr Shahroodi, a Castor Bay resident, says he wasn’t injured and the damage to the jet’s nose gear is repairable.
He says his training to deal with emergency situations kicked in but admits he felt a "level of discomfort".
Mr Shahroodi says it had been a great day for flying and while something like brake failure was not unexpected it could happen.
Aircraft are one of the safest means of transport, says Mr Shahroodi.
The fact it was a jet involved in the accident meant it attracted a lot of public attention at the Dairy Flat airfield, he says.
Postmans Rd was closed for several hours while emergency services dealt with the accident. About 15 fire appliances attended. The Civil Aviation Authority is investigating the crash.
Mr Shahroodi spoke to the North Shore Times in January about the thrill of fulfilling a dream to fly a fighter jet at 700kmh.
The speed thrill is greater than any sportscar, said the 49-year-old Gamma Computers director who emigrated from Iran 23 years ago.
"It’s like going downhill in a car when you have lost the brakes," said Mr Shahroodi.
"You cannot fly it slowly. It’s the highest level of aviation experience."
Mr Shahroodi owns two L29 Delfins, which gobble up $1600 worth of fuel an hour, because the Romanian Air Force only sold them in pairs.
This year he hopes to buy a Mig 23 or 29 and fly at two-and-a-half times the speed of sound.
Fighter jet jockey won't be grounded - Local News on Stuff.co.nz
I would imagine that if he does manage to import a MiG it would have to be based at Auckland. As much as I would love to see an airworthy MiG here, I feel the combination of a pilot who is from what I understand reasonably inexperienced on jet aircraft with a supersonic jet fighter may not be the best thing ever.
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Mr Shahroodi..we know its a part 91 operation, but now that you have seen what can happen..perhaps some Accelerate Stop calculations for NE might be a good idea.
One MIG29 on the NZ register would make the RNZAF redundant.he could play boyracers with the RNZAF but would need deep pockets for the fuel bill.
Do you reckon an Iranian would be able to own an airworthy MIG in the USA?
Do you reckon an Iranian would be able to own an airworthy MIG in the USA?
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perhaps some Accelerate Stop calculations for NE might be a good idea.
On a short strip like Dairy Flat, you really have to wonder why he didn't open the tap and go around - he must have hit the brakes almost immediately after landing so would have been aware of the failure whilst still having lots of speed for the go-around.
But then... inexperience... PPL... more money than sense... etc
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Lots of good stuff there in the manuals including little gems like reccommended strip length 3000feet and spool-up time from idle 14 seconds. Suggests you don't idle on final/touchdown
Lots of good stuff there in the manuals including little gems like reccommended strip length 3000feet and spool-up time from idle 14 seconds. Suggests you don't idle on final/touchdown
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He was practising/trying to get out
Funny how brakes stop working after repeated accelerate-stop events...
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It seems Mr Allah wasn't willing mattyj. Whatever happened to mattathm and who in fact is he? I heard a rumour he 'was' sending his comments from Paremoremo prison. Seems that has all come to an end now...
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Has the aircraft taken off from NE before or what?
Are the owners of the airfeild just going to let him fix his toy and try and again?
"Aircraft are one of the safest means of transport, says Mr Shahroodi." but once he has finished with it, car surfing will have better safety stats.
"The fact it was a jet involved in the accident meant it attracted a lot of public attention at the Dairy Flat airfield, he says." I can see the new welcome sign now. Dairy Flat "NZ home of the jet crash"
Make it easier for everyone buddy, start using your head or update your dental records.
Are the owners of the airfeild just going to let him fix his toy and try and again?
"Aircraft are one of the safest means of transport, says Mr Shahroodi." but once he has finished with it, car surfing will have better safety stats.
"The fact it was a jet involved in the accident meant it attracted a lot of public attention at the Dairy Flat airfield, he says." I can see the new welcome sign now. Dairy Flat "NZ home of the jet crash"
Make it easier for everyone buddy, start using your head or update your dental records.
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Remoake, clearly you have no jet experience.
Upon landing at nth shore the short strip it is, in a POS backwards jet with the taps closed, once it touches down (which i gaurantee wouldnt be at the start of the strip with mr kjyasdvka at the wheel
) it would be at about 100kts (guessing) and by the time the exceptionally experienced pilot that he is on his ppl licence keep it straight down nth shores 1m wide runway and opened the taps for a touch and go as you put it, and the engine finally spooled up to t/o thrust with his head in the cockpit not over reving or temping the engine because of course it will be a full fadec ecu and watching the asi and keeping it straight as it slowly accelerated uphill............
I mean cmon man, its a no brainer for some.
I mean brakes failed?
Who uses brakes on a takeoff?
Unless of course he realised 1/2 way down the runway it wasnt gonna get airborne, so he aborted and broke the brakes cause he was pushing them thru the firewall to stop the plane.
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Upon landing at nth shore the short strip it is, in a POS backwards jet with the taps closed, once it touches down (which i gaurantee wouldnt be at the start of the strip with mr kjyasdvka at the wheel
) it would be at about 100kts (guessing) and by the time the exceptionally experienced pilot that he is on his ppl licence keep it straight down nth shores 1m wide runway and opened the taps for a touch and go as you put it, and the engine finally spooled up to t/o thrust with his head in the cockpit not over reving or temping the engine because of course it will be a full fadec ecu and watching the asi and keeping it straight as it slowly accelerated uphill............I mean cmon man, its a no brainer for some.
I mean brakes failed?
Who uses brakes on a takeoff?
Unless of course he realised 1/2 way down the runway it wasnt gonna get airborne, so he aborted and broke the brakes cause he was pushing them thru the firewall to stop the plane.
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Yeah I've only been flying jets most days for the past 20 years...
Since you clearly know nothing about the subject, let me just say that a turbojet engine is quite capable of spooling up quickly enough to get an aircraft that is already at flying speed, safely back into the air. Even from ground idle. In fact, it is often demonstrated during certification.
Again, if you knew anything at all about the subject, you would know that it is SOP in a non-FADEC aircraft to have a clear idea of where max T/O thrust is on your power lever. We even used to mark it on the quadrant on some jets I flew. Adjusting to an in-limits temp or RPM then becomes a quick glance and an equally quick adjustment. If you know what you are doing, of course.
You don't use brakes on T/O, unless of course your engine just quit - right?
If he really was practising takeoffs, he probably overheated his brakes. Doesn't take much.
Anyway you have made enough of a fool of yourself, now off you go back to your MS flight sim...
Since you clearly know nothing about the subject, let me just say that a turbojet engine is quite capable of spooling up quickly enough to get an aircraft that is already at flying speed, safely back into the air. Even from ground idle. In fact, it is often demonstrated during certification.
Again, if you knew anything at all about the subject, you would know that it is SOP in a non-FADEC aircraft to have a clear idea of where max T/O thrust is on your power lever. We even used to mark it on the quadrant on some jets I flew. Adjusting to an in-limits temp or RPM then becomes a quick glance and an equally quick adjustment. If you know what you are doing, of course.
You don't use brakes on T/O, unless of course your engine just quit - right?
If he really was practising takeoffs, he probably overheated his brakes. Doesn't take much.
Anyway you have made enough of a fool of yourself, now off you go back to your MS flight sim...
The CAA accident report out now says that the aircraft left the runway during a "high speed run" - clearly not landing, and suggests not necessarily trying to take off either, although one wonders what exactly the purpose of this run was?
Here's the link, the second one down: http://www.caa.govt.nz/Weekly_Accide..._02_Feb_09.pdf
Here's the link, the second one down: http://www.caa.govt.nz/Weekly_Accide..._02_Feb_09.pdf
unexperienced.
Forthly Touch and goes wouldnt use much brakes at all
But on a more technical matter
Id say it would be 5 minutes at least so the brakes would have a chance of cooling down from the last landing
Regards, Framer