Spitfire 'Crash' at Masterton
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Same Spitfire has an incident at Ardmore 3Dec09
From Stuff.co.nz - Latest New Zealand News & World News, Sports News & NZ Weather Forecasts
LATEST: An Auckland man has survived his second crash in his priceless WWII fighter plane in less than a year.
The spitfire plane crash landed at Auckland's Ardmore airport at 11.50 this morning.
The plane - one of only two in the country - is owned by local man Doug Brooker, who imported the two seater aircraft last year.
It is Mr Brooker and the plane's second crash this year; on January 15 it suffered a heavy forced landing on Hood Aerodrome, near Masterton.
Just after today's crash Mr Brooker told Stuff.co.nz: "I don't feel like talking right now".
It is understood the plane's propeller, undercarriage and some fuel lines were damaged in the crash.
Mr Brooker was not injured in the crash.
The spitfire bounced as it came in to land at Ardmore, causing the under carriage to collapse and the plane skidded for approximately 50 metres on its belly along the tarmac landing strip and came to rest on the grass, Senior Sergeant Peter Raynes said.
It is now angled with its nose down, propeller smashed and the undercarriage crumpled beneath as two mechanics work to ensure the engine has completely shut down.
Raynes said the pilot was very shaken up but able to walk away uninjured.
He has left the scene and was being looked after by friends.
Police have secured the scene while civil aviation begin their investigation.
Airport staff were liaising with the owner of the aircraft, painted in RAF desert colours with the markings of FL-A, for its removal from the runway.
- Stuff.co.nz
LATEST: An Auckland man has survived his second crash in his priceless WWII fighter plane in less than a year.
The spitfire plane crash landed at Auckland's Ardmore airport at 11.50 this morning.
The plane - one of only two in the country - is owned by local man Doug Brooker, who imported the two seater aircraft last year.
It is Mr Brooker and the plane's second crash this year; on January 15 it suffered a heavy forced landing on Hood Aerodrome, near Masterton.
Just after today's crash Mr Brooker told Stuff.co.nz: "I don't feel like talking right now".
It is understood the plane's propeller, undercarriage and some fuel lines were damaged in the crash.
Mr Brooker was not injured in the crash.
The spitfire bounced as it came in to land at Ardmore, causing the under carriage to collapse and the plane skidded for approximately 50 metres on its belly along the tarmac landing strip and came to rest on the grass, Senior Sergeant Peter Raynes said.
It is now angled with its nose down, propeller smashed and the undercarriage crumpled beneath as two mechanics work to ensure the engine has completely shut down.
Raynes said the pilot was very shaken up but able to walk away uninjured.
He has left the scene and was being looked after by friends.
Police have secured the scene while civil aviation begin their investigation.
Airport staff were liaising with the owner of the aircraft, painted in RAF desert colours with the markings of FL-A, for its removal from the runway.
- Stuff.co.nz
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Bader also had a habit of smashing Germans
Oh yeah.....he also had tin legs
Whats the saying..? Crash me once, shame on you...Crash me twice, shame on me.....
Oh yeah.....he also had tin legs
Whats the saying..? Crash me once, shame on you...Crash me twice, shame on me.....
Bader also had a habit of smashing Germans
True
Good thing for him that a war came along...As well as the infamous LL slow roll, I think he crashed two Spits in a row trying to take off in coarse pitch...
Edit: Actually one was coarse pitch, the other was an overshoot.
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Farken weekend warriors and self professed aces with more money than brains and ability... Oh well its his money and as long as he doesn't kill someone else in the process, let the crashes continue.
In comparison to the young and relatively inexperienced pilots who fought in these machines a while back, I don't think this individual would have given the Luftwaffe much to be worried about.
In comparison to the young and relatively inexperienced pilots who fought in these machines a while back, I don't think this individual would have given the Luftwaffe much to be worried about.
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The ironic thing about this particular pilot is that yes he is very talented ath the inflight aerobatics but the fact remains that he smacked it at Ardmore today, and at Masterton in Feb, he also taxied zk-nut into a ditch at Drury a few years back, went there to get some work done and thought he knew where he was going instead of parking it on the strip, going for a walk to the hangar then taxing it to said hangar... Needed a little extra work done.
Seems he may need some dual time again to relern the basics, taxing and landing.
Seems he may need some dual time again to relern the basics, taxing and landing.
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Farken weekend warriors and self professed aces with more money than brains and ability...
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Back up the truck here.
Do any of you "experts" know the cause of this accident?
Were you you there, on the ground or in the cockpit?
Are you current on Spitfires?
Are you an engineer who has worked on the said aircraft or on Spitfires?
Do you know the weather/traffic/runway conditions?
The Pilot is probably the most current on Spitfires in the world, given the amount of flying he has done in the last few weeks. This doesn't make him the most experienced, but you have to start somewhere.
It may well be that he stuffed up, and we will find out in due course.
Perhaps he should listen to you guys for all your "expert" opinions?
Do any of you "experts" know the cause of this accident?
Were you you there, on the ground or in the cockpit?
Are you current on Spitfires?
Are you an engineer who has worked on the said aircraft or on Spitfires?
Do you know the weather/traffic/runway conditions?
The Pilot is probably the most current on Spitfires in the world, given the amount of flying he has done in the last few weeks. This doesn't make him the most experienced, but you have to start somewhere.
It may well be that he stuffed up, and we will find out in due course.
Perhaps he should listen to you guys for all your "expert" opinions?
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The Pilot is probably the most current on Spitfires in the world
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He could do worse!
Well put up then! What expertise do you have on this type?
Yeah right, then lord help the spitfires, and clearly not current enough though as hes just crashed two in a row during landing.
Go back to my post and answer "any" of my questions if you can.
Well put up then! What expertise do you have on this type?
Yeah right, then lord help the spitfires, and clearly not current enough though as hes just crashed two in a row during landing.
Go back to my post and answer "any" of my questions if you can.
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Do any of you "experts" know the cause of this accident?
The spitfire bounced as it came in to land at Ardmore, causing the under carriage to collapse and the plane skidded for approximately 50 metres on its belly along the tarmac landing strip and came to rest on the grass, Senior Sergeant Peter Raynes said.
It doesn't matter whether you are current on Spitfires or not.
It certainly doesn't matter whether you are an engineer or not, and the wx was benign.
It was a hard landing, so hard that the gear gave up. It may not be the strongest gear in the world, but I've seen quite a few Spitfires bounce over the years, and you would have to slam it down pretty hard to break the gear.
This is not unlike the Tim Wallace accident in some ways, but at least he eventually admitted that he screwed up.
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Was it gonna be a 3 pointer or what?
I mean these things on a long sealed runway, just wheel it on.....
if you cant see over the nose then your tail low and that will be a 3 pointer or a tail low wheeler.
Wheelers in my humble tailwheel experience are far more eaiser than 3 pointers.
Not that I know what was going on at the time...
if the wind was turning to the other side it would be neither a head nor tail maybe more crosswind
I cant imagine the plane would have been at MLW, 1 pob 2 hrs gas maybe
long runway, just hold some extra speed and do a nice wheeler, get it straight and lower the nose and work the brakes and rudder evenly.
mind you I have no idea what im talking about, most of my flying lately is in a nose dragger
I mean these things on a long sealed runway, just wheel it on.....
if you cant see over the nose then your tail low and that will be a 3 pointer or a tail low wheeler.
Wheelers in my humble tailwheel experience are far more eaiser than 3 pointers.
Not that I know what was going on at the time...
if the wind was turning to the other side it would be neither a head nor tail maybe more crosswind
I cant imagine the plane would have been at MLW, 1 pob 2 hrs gas maybe
long runway, just hold some extra speed and do a nice wheeler, get it straight and lower the nose and work the brakes and rudder evenly.
mind you I have no idea what im talking about, most of my flying lately is in a nose dragger
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From an Ardmore source:
"nz herald fail...."ran off the end of the runway when it landed at 11.50am today, damaging the propeller and its undercarriage"
I dont think it could be more in the middle of the runway if it tried.
the story goes landing in a tail wind (unicom hadnt changed the runway yet)
compensation of xwind cliped the wing on the ground, bounced, undercarriage collapsed, lost a bit of control sidded off onto the centre grass ended up stopping 400m down."
Seriously though, is he gonna keep trying til he writes this thing off for good???
"nz herald fail...."ran off the end of the runway when it landed at 11.50am today, damaging the propeller and its undercarriage"
I dont think it could be more in the middle of the runway if it tried.
the story goes landing in a tail wind (unicom hadnt changed the runway yet)
compensation of xwind cliped the wing on the ground, bounced, undercarriage collapsed, lost a bit of control sidded off onto the centre grass ended up stopping 400m down."
Seriously though, is he gonna keep trying til he writes this thing off for good???
