Qantas Reduces LHR slip Time
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Funbags,
Speedbirdhouse's post had nothing to do with pilot workload as you well know.It was to illustrate the difference in workload between tech crew and cabin crew on day versus night sectors.
Speedbirdhouse's post had nothing to do with pilot workload as you well know.It was to illustrate the difference in workload between tech crew and cabin crew on day versus night sectors.
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Funbags:A Troll
Funbags' posts here are designed to antagonize and provoke.
Funbags has been responsible for the closure of several QF CC threads.
Dont respond to funbags and place Funbags on your ignore list.
Eventually he/she will go away
Funbags has been responsible for the closure of several QF CC threads.
Dont respond to funbags and place Funbags on your ignore list.
Eventually he/she will go away
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jet jacka**
Just because I agree with Qantas's decision to reduce slip lengths and that upsets some cabin crew (because they would like a week everywhere), doesn't mean that I am a troll.
And if people want to get stuck into tech crew about sleeping for six hours and doing nothing on the flight deck, then I will defend pilots.
Oh, and the next time the side rips out of the aeroplane or we lose an engine or have to land in a 35kt crosswind, I'll give Right 5 a call. He can come up and handle it!
Just because I agree with Qantas's decision to reduce slip lengths and that upsets some cabin crew (because they would like a week everywhere), doesn't mean that I am a troll.
And if people want to get stuck into tech crew about sleeping for six hours and doing nothing on the flight deck, then I will defend pilots.
Oh, and the next time the side rips out of the aeroplane or we lose an engine or have to land in a 35kt crosswind, I'll give Right 5 a call. He can come up and handle it!
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Since reading jet.jackson's post I decided to do a little research.
Funbag's post started off well in that he was dealing with aviation matters pertaining to QF and Jetstar.From the beginning of 2006 his posts have shown a definite belligerence towards cabin crew.
In fact over 80% of his posts since the beginning of 2006 have been antagonistic towards cabin crew and not aviation related to pilots.
It appears that funbags is indeed attempting to have cabin crew threads closed down.
To any cabin crew reading these posts do not attempt to enter into any debate with funbags as this just feeds his vitriol and serves no purpose.
Moderators,please do not delete or lock this thread out because of the intentions of funbags to achieve this very outcome.
Funbag's post started off well in that he was dealing with aviation matters pertaining to QF and Jetstar.From the beginning of 2006 his posts have shown a definite belligerence towards cabin crew.
In fact over 80% of his posts since the beginning of 2006 have been antagonistic towards cabin crew and not aviation related to pilots.
It appears that funbags is indeed attempting to have cabin crew threads closed down.
To any cabin crew reading these posts do not attempt to enter into any debate with funbags as this just feeds his vitriol and serves no purpose.
Moderators,please do not delete or lock this thread out because of the intentions of funbags to achieve this very outcome.
Qantas Reduces LHR slip Time
Oh, what the heck! It is Xmas after all - and the question just begs to be asked.
Given the Moderators propensity for sending threads to purgatory, how on earth do threads like this one get to survive in "D & G General Aviation & Questions"?
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Given the Moderators propensity for sending threads to purgatory, how on earth do threads like this one get to survive in "D & G General Aviation & Questions"?
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Is ther any rason why one can't express themsleves without lowering the standards of a helathy debate?
Funbags:
I would have to disagree with you in that crew would not like a week every where they go. In this particular instance, they would like the 56 hour slips that we enjoyed in previous bid periods. So lets not generelise.
I still think that the company is not breaking any rules and therefore can and will give crew a reduced slip time in LHR. At least the FAA are on top of it as per their e-mail. Interesting they are also looking at EZE patterns?
I ask are they any different to JNB's?
Funbags:
I would have to disagree with you in that crew would not like a week every where they go. In this particular instance, they would like the 56 hour slips that we enjoyed in previous bid periods. So lets not generelise.
I still think that the company is not breaking any rules and therefore can and will give crew a reduced slip time in LHR. At least the FAA are on top of it as per their e-mail. Interesting they are also looking at EZE patterns?
I ask are they any different to JNB's?
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ciprian,
I'm not sure which is more likely to result in the thread closing down,your spelling or some of the posts by others.
I did not know that the Americans are interested in our slipping patterns but thanks for the info and it's good to know that the FAA are on top of it.
You have mentioned this a number of times so I'm wondering what your angle is but it's reassuring to know that the company is not doing anything wrong.
The point is that legality is not the issue here but instead simple business.If there is only a 2 hour safety gap between the minimum slip and rostered slip there is not much room for error.I don't think that is their concern though because it is part of a much larger plan to annoy existing Australian crew.
The reality is that now with QCCA crew they don't really want us and cannot wait for us to leave.As such I know that when the question "will I accept a reduced slip" is asked the answer will be an emphatic NO.
I'm not sure which is more likely to result in the thread closing down,your spelling or some of the posts by others.
I did not know that the Americans are interested in our slipping patterns but thanks for the info and it's good to know that the FAA are on top of it.
I still think that the company is not breaking any rules
The point is that legality is not the issue here but instead simple business.If there is only a 2 hour safety gap between the minimum slip and rostered slip there is not much room for error.I don't think that is their concern though because it is part of a much larger plan to annoy existing Australian crew.
The reality is that now with QCCA crew they don't really want us and cannot wait for us to leave.As such I know that when the question "will I accept a reduced slip" is asked the answer will be an emphatic NO.
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Thread Drift:The Usual Suspects
Can we keep this thread civil?
Lets forget about this Pilot/Cabin Crew nonsense.
Creating patterns that have slips reduced to minimum rest is fraught with danger.Some patterns to the UK commence with a SYD/ADL/SIN sector(s)and then onto LHR.Having 27 hrs in SIN and then 37hrs in LHR and then back to SIN is fairly savage flying.
The only good thing about these patterns is the 6 days MPG.
Lets forget about this Pilot/Cabin Crew nonsense.
Creating patterns that have slips reduced to minimum rest is fraught with danger.Some patterns to the UK commence with a SYD/ADL/SIN sector(s)and then onto LHR.Having 27 hrs in SIN and then 37hrs in LHR and then back to SIN is fairly savage flying.
The only good thing about these patterns is the 6 days MPG.
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Ups! Sory!! Next time i wil run the spel check. My bad!
No angle. Just the facts. I don't represent any one. Just thought I'd add my two cents in.
And as stated previously . . . why can't we keep the thread civil?
No angle. Just the facts. I don't represent any one. Just thought I'd add my two cents in.
And as stated previously . . . why can't we keep the thread civil?
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From memory BNE based crew were given 38 hours slips in LAX within the last 12 months or so.
Minimum rest requirement in Lax also 36 hours.
When the inevitable delayed arrival occurred BNE crew would routinely not accept a reduced slip resulting in disruptions to other crew who were being turned around so that the company could maintain schedules.
Have those 38 hour slips disappeared?
I suspect they have..........
Minimum rest requirement in Lax also 36 hours.
When the inevitable delayed arrival occurred BNE crew would routinely not accept a reduced slip resulting in disruptions to other crew who were being turned around so that the company could maintain schedules.
Have those 38 hour slips disappeared?
I suspect they have..........
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When the inevitable delayed arrival occurred BNE crew would routinely not accept a reduced slip resulting in disruptions to other crew who were being turned around so that the company could maintain schedules.
If it's legal and they can get away with it they will give it every chance they can.They will only look at it if it starts to cost them money and the way to do that is not to accept reduced slips.
The one thing the company has never understood is that co-operation takes 2 or more people or groups to work together so that the outcome suits all parties.
To them it's always meant they take and you give.
Well,well... it appears some serious re-gigging of patterns are in order for BP262. With some nasties having been discovered that didn't meet the necessary rest periods. Carmen, she's a B(*&h i tell you!
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Speedbird,
38 hour slip in LAX for BNE crew have always been there since the basing opened, (actual slip 39:20)
For the majority of crew these are the preferred trip as it is good duty hours (30:20), it's only 4 days away from your loved ones and therefore allows people to lead a reasonable life at home.
You only need to do 6 and a half of these per roster, if you are lucky enough or senior enough to get them. The beauty is you end up with nearly 30 days off per roster.
There has been a lot of crew affected by reduced slips over the 3 1/2 years that the base has been operating. I would say almost everyone has been involved with one, it was particularly bad when there were the issues with the engineers and their EBA.
Qantas sop is to try blackmail. Ops would say that they will give you a longer slip in Lax, say 60hrs but will send you home via AKL or MEL and therefore you will lose your next trip.
Then they will offer reduced slip allowance to sweeten the deal.
I would guess that 95% of the time the crew will chose to take a reduced slip, it's no big deal and generally only a case of 4 hrs or so, and doesn't stuff up your plans at home too much.
For Brisbane based crew it's all about lifestyle.
38 hour slip in LAX for BNE crew have always been there since the basing opened, (actual slip 39:20)
For the majority of crew these are the preferred trip as it is good duty hours (30:20), it's only 4 days away from your loved ones and therefore allows people to lead a reasonable life at home.
You only need to do 6 and a half of these per roster, if you are lucky enough or senior enough to get them. The beauty is you end up with nearly 30 days off per roster.
There has been a lot of crew affected by reduced slips over the 3 1/2 years that the base has been operating. I would say almost everyone has been involved with one, it was particularly bad when there were the issues with the engineers and their EBA.
Qantas sop is to try blackmail. Ops would say that they will give you a longer slip in Lax, say 60hrs but will send you home via AKL or MEL and therefore you will lose your next trip.
Then they will offer reduced slip allowance to sweeten the deal.
I would guess that 95% of the time the crew will chose to take a reduced slip, it's no big deal and generally only a case of 4 hrs or so, and doesn't stuff up your plans at home too much.
For Brisbane based crew it's all about lifestyle.
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Shazz-zaam has hit the nail on the head.
There are many crew who like minimum slips in various places.
Yes there are some crew who want to visit their family in London or whatever, but most can't wait to leave the place.
Don't forget what you lot keep telling me, this job is NOT about the destinations!
Most people do like to get home faster, and that's exactly what the minimum slip in LHR will allow.
There are many crew who like minimum slips in various places.
Yes there are some crew who want to visit their family in London or whatever, but most can't wait to leave the place.
Don't forget what you lot keep telling me, this job is NOT about the destinations!
Most people do like to get home faster, and that's exactly what the minimum slip in LHR will allow.
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What Twiggs completely fails to acknowledge, as she has her own particular [read company] barrow to push is as follows-
Those who have the ability to vote to accept or reject a reduced slip are ALL and ONLY QAC. They will have, almost to a person, chosen to bid for the LHR trip for a reason. That reason whatever it is, certainly isn't likely to be just so they can get out of there at the earliest opportunity.
They are going to find the opportunities for whatever they chose to be there for, severely limited and are, as such, very likely to be pissed off about it.
Your augment also fails to hold water given that there are plenty of other easier and shorter trips available for those looking to maximize their time at home.
This is going to be lots of fun.
Shazzam,
do BNE crew have the opportunity to slip for longer than 39 hours on any other LAX trips?
Those who have the ability to vote to accept or reject a reduced slip are ALL and ONLY QAC. They will have, almost to a person, chosen to bid for the LHR trip for a reason. That reason whatever it is, certainly isn't likely to be just so they can get out of there at the earliest opportunity.
They are going to find the opportunities for whatever they chose to be there for, severely limited and are, as such, very likely to be pissed off about it.
Your augment also fails to hold water given that there are plenty of other easier and shorter trips available for those looking to maximize their time at home.
This is going to be lots of fun.
Shazzam,
do BNE crew have the opportunity to slip for longer than 39 hours on any other LAX trips?
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Communication from the FAAA.........
24 December 2008
Attention All Qantas Cabin Crew
REDUCED SLIP VOTING PROCEDURES
In light of the company’s intended reduction of the SYD-LHR planned rest from 48 to 38 hours, it may be timely to remind crew of the voting procedures that allow for reduction of slip rest.
First and foremost, only QAL (part 1) crews are entitled to vote. Consequently, QCCA (part 2) are not counted, nor participate in the vote for reduction of slip rest.
If the company wishes to reduce the rest period to below the minimum, which is 36 hours, a vote is required. Importantly,
i) a majority decision is required;
ii) if the vote is tied, then the CSM will exercise the casting vote. In the absence of a CSM, the most senior flight attendant in the highest category shall exercise the casting vote.
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Reads like a "call to arms" to me..........
Attention All Qantas Cabin Crew
REDUCED SLIP VOTING PROCEDURES
In light of the company’s intended reduction of the SYD-LHR planned rest from 48 to 38 hours, it may be timely to remind crew of the voting procedures that allow for reduction of slip rest.
First and foremost, only QAL (part 1) crews are entitled to vote. Consequently, QCCA (part 2) are not counted, nor participate in the vote for reduction of slip rest.
If the company wishes to reduce the rest period to below the minimum, which is 36 hours, a vote is required. Importantly,
i) a majority decision is required;
ii) if the vote is tied, then the CSM will exercise the casting vote. In the absence of a CSM, the most senior flight attendant in the highest category shall exercise the casting vote.
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Reads like a "call to arms" to me..........
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this job is NOT about the destinations!
Most people do like to get home faster, and that's exactly what the minimum slip in LHR will allow.
Most people do like to get home faster, and that's exactly what the minimum slip in LHR will allow.
Can you think the same for more than a day or 2 or do you like a lot of women change your mind all the time.
One day you tell us that it's the destinations that are important and it aint the money.Now your telling us it's not the destinations.WTF
So if it's not the money and it's not the destinations what are we here for?
Speedbirdhouse hit the nail right on the head when he talked about you.
Do you think crew bid for London trips if they don't like the joint?
I can see the crew going home to see the rels for christmas and then after a cuppa telling them have to go.
Yeah right twiggs time to go back to your desk and do some work.
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roaming,
Qantas is not here to provide a transport service for cabin crew to go home to London to visit their relatives for Christmas. If 38 hour slips are in the company's best interest, and are safe for crew to conduct in relation to fatigue issues (techies have been doing them for years), then good luck to them. Just because they spoil someones visit to the English countryside or visit to Ireland is bad luck. Do it on holidays like most of the general population. Your job is to provide a service to the passengers on board the aircraft, have a rest, and then provide the same service on the next sector. That's what you are paid for. Not to gallivant around the world. If you can fit it in, then great. Otherwise, realise that the GOD's of long slips everywhere are over.
Qantas is not here to provide a transport service for cabin crew to go home to London to visit their relatives for Christmas. If 38 hour slips are in the company's best interest, and are safe for crew to conduct in relation to fatigue issues (techies have been doing them for years), then good luck to them. Just because they spoil someones visit to the English countryside or visit to Ireland is bad luck. Do it on holidays like most of the general population. Your job is to provide a service to the passengers on board the aircraft, have a rest, and then provide the same service on the next sector. That's what you are paid for. Not to gallivant around the world. If you can fit it in, then great. Otherwise, realise that the GOD's of long slips everywhere are over.