NZ aviation market - bottoming out
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Thats the word on the street. Who really knows but come winter its going to be interesting times. Parking up the 747's combined with lower demand could mean cut backs. You talk to any Air NZ jet driver, i bet they arent updating the Bentley this year, not with fife the knife at the wheel.
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huh? As Thump mentioned, the leave without pay situation right now IS because some of the 744s have been parked up already. And those that have taken the offer are off laughing making $$ while the sun shines in the sandpit.
However Air NZ main is still interviewing at present, building a holding pool of pilots sitting on 'yes' letters.
Meanwhile, and I am speculating here, Eagle is trying out the CTC cadets slowly, ready to see if they can take on more when it comes time for big brother to take a bigger bite of their pilots. Remember the so called Air NZ Cadet scheme is due to be launched next year.
However Air NZ main is still interviewing at present, building a holding pool of pilots sitting on 'yes' letters.
Meanwhile, and I am speculating here, Eagle is trying out the CTC cadets slowly, ready to see if they can take on more when it comes time for big brother to take a bigger bite of their pilots. Remember the so called Air NZ Cadet scheme is due to be launched next year.
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However Air NZ main is still interviewing at present, building a holding pool of pilots sitting on 'yes' letters.
Meanwhile, and I am speculating here, Eagle is trying out the CTC cadets slowly,
Meanwhile, and I am speculating here, Eagle is trying out the CTC cadets slowly,
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"Keen to hear about "redundancies at Air NZ".......????
The boys and girls at Air NZ would be surprised to hear about them. Did you mean LWOP?"
I bet they were surprised when they heard it. I guess its kind of leave without pay. Granted its not pilots but the high priced items are prime targets.
How much do these "cadets" have to pay to get through CTC's course?
The boys and girls at Air NZ would be surprised to hear about them. Did you mean LWOP?"
I bet they were surprised when they heard it. I guess its kind of leave without pay. Granted its not pilots but the high priced items are prime targets.
How much do these "cadets" have to pay to get through CTC's course?
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How much do these "cadets" have to pay to get through CTC's course?
>Fees Summary
As at 1 January 2007
Student fees include GST.
CoursesFixed Wing
Ground Theory3,800.00
CPL Practical42,000.00
Optional Practical, 50 hours7,500.00
Instrument Flight Rules (IFR)15,370.00
ATPL Courses3,930.00
All students pay NMIT separately the compulsory student union fee of $100.00 +GST per EFTS. Uniforms and head sets are not included in the fees and are not funded through NMIT. Non-aviation courses needed to complete the Diploma are not included in this fee summary.
Note: Fees listed on this site are from 2008 and may change for 2009. They are indicative only and may vary with course selection. Exact fees can be confirmed as part of your enquiry or application.
*Programme fees: include GST, but an additional compulsory student association fee also applies.
#Course fees: include GST and the compulsory student association fee.
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Water Wings, where are you coming from? There seems to be the odd pilot at Eagle who do their best to make these guys feel unwelcome. They have done a very good job by all accounts and deserve recognition, why are some people so quick to judge them?
By the way, you won't find any flight hour requirements in the SOP.
By the way, you won't find any flight hour requirements in the SOP.
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Sounds like 'bank angle' was doing his job. A few too sensitive people around in this industry. If a parameter is exceeded it is the PNF'S job to call it, this shouldn't be taken personally by the handling pilot.
It's quite difficult as an fo to fly with skippers who do not have enough confidence in their own ability that they get upset whenever an fo just 'does his job'.
It's quite difficult as an fo to fly with skippers who do not have enough confidence in their own ability that they get upset whenever an fo just 'does his job'.
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Tall poppy syndrome strikes again.... Good on the guy, obviously takes some pride in what he does.
water wings - outing peoples identity is pretty bad form.
"what I'm really interested to know is who paid for it....." Thats good, were not! Jealous much? Better go read the definition of S.O.Ps dude.
tehoroto - Well said. Better to speak up than make the papers.
water wings - outing peoples identity is pretty bad form.
"what I'm really interested to know is who paid for it....." Thats good, were not! Jealous much? Better go read the definition of S.O.Ps dude.
tehoroto - Well said. Better to speak up than make the papers.
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Hmmmm, ladies, are we floggin that dead horse again, the little ctc upstart....WAS DOING A FAMIL, IE: NOT EVEN PART OF THE OPERATING CREW SO HAS NO RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING.
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Hmmmm......I may have brought a 'Pandoras box' to the table with this thread, which has deviated somewhat from what I was originally inquiring about.
In the interim since I posted this thread, I have been trying to 'nut' out from other sources (yes there's life beyond PPrune
) what my chances are now that the aviation gods have once again started playing hardball by stalling any mass recruitment, and, trying to quantify how long they intend to do this, is like trying to ascertain the depth of a hole.
So, what I am starting to see is that the proverbial goalposts are moving back, back in favour of the Employer. My chances are just like any other 'wannabe', but collectively we 'wannabes'are now starting to move in a quagmire, rather than the 'firm track' of the last couple years.
Apologies for the prosaic dirth, but I think the 1990's may be back.
In the interim since I posted this thread, I have been trying to 'nut' out from other sources (yes there's life beyond PPrune
) what my chances are now that the aviation gods have once again started playing hardball by stalling any mass recruitment, and, trying to quantify how long they intend to do this, is like trying to ascertain the depth of a hole. So, what I am starting to see is that the proverbial goalposts are moving back, back in favour of the Employer. My chances are just like any other 'wannabe', but collectively we 'wannabes'are now starting to move in a quagmire, rather than the 'firm track' of the last couple years.
Apologies for the prosaic dirth, but I think the 1990's may be back.
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water wings - outing peoples identity is pretty bad form.
Does anyone know any fact that Mt Cook are going to be parking ATRs over January / February with crew taking leave without pay? 
Just the word going around down here.
Just the word going around down here.
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Oh dear Oh dear!
'Always Inverted' you are either showing your inexperience in the industry or explaining the bloody reason why I must undergo a recurrent CRM course every 2 years. An extra pair of eyes on the flight deck will always be welcome on a flightdeck I am held responsible for, especially if the said eyes hold a pilots license.
Appologies if this is off topic but we have too many tossers in this industry who are only interested in themselves and not promoting a healthy cockpit environment.
'Always Inverted' you are either showing your inexperience in the industry or explaining the bloody reason why I must undergo a recurrent CRM course every 2 years. An extra pair of eyes on the flight deck will always be welcome on a flightdeck I am held responsible for, especially if the said eyes hold a pilots license.
Appologies if this is off topic but we have too many tossers in this industry who are only interested in themselves and not promoting a healthy cockpit environment.
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in regards to Eagle/CTC just notice this in one of the other Prune threads:
Yesterday, 12:42
You kiwi guys have some good news as well with Eagle (ANZ subsiduary) now coming online as a full partner. 2 guys just been interviewed today following the success of 2 guys on earlier NZ Cps
Press release:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
17 November 2008
Eagle Airways Provides Career Opportunities for CTC Wings Airline Pilots
Air New Zealand subsidiary Eagle Air says a new relationship with airline pilot training
organisation CTC Aviation is great news for young pilots looking to fast-track into an airline
career.
Eagle Air recently employed the first two New Zealanders to graduate from CTC’s
Commercial Pilot Programme in Hamilton, and today formally marked their graduation with a
function at CTC’s Crew Training Centre at Hamilton International Airport.
Eagle Air General Manager Grant Kerr says he has been impressed with the CTC graduates’
levels of knowledge, skill and professionalism.
“They’ve gone through line training with Eagle and they passed with flying colours. The very
airline-specific training they receive from the moment they join the CTC Wings programme
means, upon graduation, they possess the exact skills we require to be a First Officer with
Eagle Air,” he says.
The first New Zealanders to graduate from the CTC Wings Commercial Pilot Programme are
Joseph Lambert and Daniel Stark. They are employed with Eagle Air as First Officers based
out of Gisborne. Both young men grew up in Hamilton and are Hamilton Boys High
graduates.
Mr Kerr said the CTC Wings programme was advantageous to both the airline and young
pilots looking to get a start specifically in the airline business.
CTC works with a growing list of global airline partners, which includes British Airways,
CityJet, DHL Air, easyJet, easyJet Switzerland, Jet2.com, Jetstar Pacific, Monarch, Thomas
Cook and Thomsonfly.
“To date, one hundred percent of our graduates have obtained employment with one of
CTC’s partner airlines in Europe. And, globally, one of the benefits of training with CTC is
that cadets know we are focused on helping them gain employment,” said John Jones, CEO
of CTC Aviation New Zealand.
“Our relationship with Eagle Air allows us to demonstrate this key point to New Zealand
cadets as well. We can never guarantee employment, but there is more certainty for them.”
Mr Jones said applications coming in from New Zealanders are running high ever since the
company announced its CTC Wings programme was open to Kiwis in 2006.
He explained applicants recognise CTC Aviation is different from other aviation training
organisations because it has a sole focus on airline pilot training.
“CTC Aviation sets itself apart because we only train pilots for placement with airlines. For
someone with no flying experience, it takes around 18 months to complete our Commercial
Pilot Programme.
“Because we have this sole airline focus, we are able to customise recruitment solutions for
our airline partners around the globe. And, our rigorous selection process ensures our
partners are getting the very best airline pilots out there,” he said.
http://www.ctcwings.co.nz/pdfs/news/...nt_17nov08.pdf
Yesterday, 12:42
You kiwi guys have some good news as well with Eagle (ANZ subsiduary) now coming online as a full partner. 2 guys just been interviewed today following the success of 2 guys on earlier NZ Cps
Press release:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
17 November 2008
Eagle Airways Provides Career Opportunities for CTC Wings Airline Pilots
Air New Zealand subsidiary Eagle Air says a new relationship with airline pilot training
organisation CTC Aviation is great news for young pilots looking to fast-track into an airline
career.
Eagle Air recently employed the first two New Zealanders to graduate from CTC’s
Commercial Pilot Programme in Hamilton, and today formally marked their graduation with a
function at CTC’s Crew Training Centre at Hamilton International Airport.
Eagle Air General Manager Grant Kerr says he has been impressed with the CTC graduates’
levels of knowledge, skill and professionalism.
“They’ve gone through line training with Eagle and they passed with flying colours. The very
airline-specific training they receive from the moment they join the CTC Wings programme
means, upon graduation, they possess the exact skills we require to be a First Officer with
Eagle Air,” he says.
The first New Zealanders to graduate from the CTC Wings Commercial Pilot Programme are
Joseph Lambert and Daniel Stark. They are employed with Eagle Air as First Officers based
out of Gisborne. Both young men grew up in Hamilton and are Hamilton Boys High
graduates.
Mr Kerr said the CTC Wings programme was advantageous to both the airline and young
pilots looking to get a start specifically in the airline business.
CTC works with a growing list of global airline partners, which includes British Airways,
CityJet, DHL Air, easyJet, easyJet Switzerland, Jet2.com, Jetstar Pacific, Monarch, Thomas
Cook and Thomsonfly.
“To date, one hundred percent of our graduates have obtained employment with one of
CTC’s partner airlines in Europe. And, globally, one of the benefits of training with CTC is
that cadets know we are focused on helping them gain employment,” said John Jones, CEO
of CTC Aviation New Zealand.
“Our relationship with Eagle Air allows us to demonstrate this key point to New Zealand
cadets as well. We can never guarantee employment, but there is more certainty for them.”
Mr Jones said applications coming in from New Zealanders are running high ever since the
company announced its CTC Wings programme was open to Kiwis in 2006.
He explained applicants recognise CTC Aviation is different from other aviation training
organisations because it has a sole focus on airline pilot training.
“CTC Aviation sets itself apart because we only train pilots for placement with airlines. For
someone with no flying experience, it takes around 18 months to complete our Commercial
Pilot Programme.
“Because we have this sole airline focus, we are able to customise recruitment solutions for
our airline partners around the globe. And, our rigorous selection process ensures our
partners are getting the very best airline pilots out there,” he said.
http://www.ctcwings.co.nz/pdfs/news/...nt_17nov08.pdf
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