Full time FAA-->OZ conversion training
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Full time FAA-->OZ conversion training
I am an Australian citizen with an FAA CPL, IR, ME, CFI, CFII, and MEI, currently working for the past year as a flying instructor in Los Angeles, CA. I would like to convert my FAA ratings to Australian in a timely and cost-efficient manner.
Can anyone please recommend a professional, organized school somewhere in OZ that has the resources to do this? My family is from the Gold Coast and I contacted Air Gold Coast about training me, but they said that due to lack of instructors they could only offer me one or two lessons a week. Obvisouly that would take forever, and would end up costing me a great deal in living expenses.
I will go anywhere that can get the job done.
Please help!!
Thank you.
BTW, in return (?) I am happy to field any questions about Los Angeles flight schools or what it is like to instruct here.
Can anyone please recommend a professional, organized school somewhere in OZ that has the resources to do this? My family is from the Gold Coast and I contacted Air Gold Coast about training me, but they said that due to lack of instructors they could only offer me one or two lessons a week. Obvisouly that would take forever, and would end up costing me a great deal in living expenses.
I will go anywhere that can get the job done.
Please help!!
Thank you.
BTW, in return (?) I am happy to field any questions about Los Angeles flight schools or what it is like to instruct here.
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try Sydney Aviation College Sydney Aviation College - Homepage
they do a lot of conversions and overseas students, as well as looking after the locals.
they do a lot of conversions and overseas students, as well as looking after the locals.
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I suggest you get your FAA ATP then convert to CASA ATPL. otherwise you must sit all cpl exams and WILL take forever. Get you FAA ATP then come over sit the casa CPL law, IREX anf then ATPL Law in that order then do a couple flights in twin doing approaches and then do your ME CIR flight test.
However i suggest you do a ground school for the IREX because its 1000 times harder then the FAA instrument exam.
Do it that way if you can hold out instructing till you hit 1500TT in the US!
However i suggest you do a ground school for the IREX because its 1000 times harder then the FAA instrument exam.
Do it that way if you can hold out instructing till you hit 1500TT in the US!
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and to recommend a flight school, go to Tamworth. they have controlled airspace, ILS on field, VOR, NDB everthing. twin training, SE. It will be cheaper then bankstown by FAR even though the hourly rate is a little more, and they charge for each ILS approach. the twin commanche is the best kept twin i have ever seen. They also have inhouse examiners last time i was there and CASA testing room for theory exams, and a CASA office.
You will not sit there in your twin watching the hobbs tick over with 5 planes ahead or waiting for IFR realease!!
Country Capital Flight i think its called.
my 2 cents!
You will not sit there in your twin watching the hobbs tick over with 5 planes ahead or waiting for IFR realease!!
Country Capital Flight i think its called.
my 2 cents!
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The 500 cross country requirement slows things up for many (ATPL). I got the CASA CPL but did not sit the exams except for Air Law as far as I recall. My impression was that the CPL check ride in Oz is oriented largely to ability to navigate, no chandelles etc etc.
I would like to know about getting FAA Multi engine and instrument rating recognised by CASA. I did that damned CASA instrument exam years ago (it was probably the DCA or CAA exam at the time!) would obviously prefer not to have to go through that again.
I would like to know about getting FAA Multi engine and instrument rating recognised by CASA. I did that damned CASA instrument exam years ago (it was probably the DCA or CAA exam at the time!) would obviously prefer not to have to go through that again.
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conversion of overseas Instrument Rating
Fudwinkel
To convert an overseas Instrument Rating to Australian CIR you will need to sit for the Australian IREX written exam. If you have passed the exam previously as you mentioned this will count and you will not need to repeat it. You will then need to do enough flying to reach the Australian competency standards for CIR flight test (multi or single as appropriate).
The same process will apply to N9537q.
N9537q suggest you look at the bigger schools for assistance, ideally organise some back seat flying so you can gain some local knowledge and practice at "no cost" before you embark on your own training. It is very helpful in your situation.
good luck
OZ
To convert an overseas Instrument Rating to Australian CIR you will need to sit for the Australian IREX written exam. If you have passed the exam previously as you mentioned this will count and you will not need to repeat it. You will then need to do enough flying to reach the Australian competency standards for CIR flight test (multi or single as appropriate).
The same process will apply to N9537q.
N9537q suggest you look at the bigger schools for assistance, ideally organise some back seat flying so you can gain some local knowledge and practice at "no cost" before you embark on your own training. It is very helpful in your situation.
good luck
OZ
FAA CPL to CASA CPL = Just has to do CPL(A) Flight rules and air law, meet min CPL experience req, pass a CPL day VFR flight test (check ride).
FAA IR to CASA IR = Check ride, IREX (written exam), meet min IR experience req (time in your own country counts). NB A CMEIR (Command Multi-engine instrument rating) allows you to fly single and multi a/c IFR. Only one check ride in the twin.
FAA ATP to CASA ATPL = CPL and ATPL written air law exam, IREX and IR checkride. The exams have to be taken first as you need to have a CASA CPL to do the IR check ride. There is no check ride for your ATPL.
NB. You are exempt from having to take the IR checkride and written exam if at any time you have had a CASA CMEIR. You are also exempt from the CPL air law written exam if you have held a CASA CPL before.
Im planning on coming back soon so have looked into it. Only thing I can't find out for certain - some of the majors may want you to do all 7 ATPL exams if you are converting from FAA regardless even though CASA doesn't require it!
Hope this helps!
FAA IR to CASA IR = Check ride, IREX (written exam), meet min IR experience req (time in your own country counts). NB A CMEIR (Command Multi-engine instrument rating) allows you to fly single and multi a/c IFR. Only one check ride in the twin.
FAA ATP to CASA ATPL = CPL and ATPL written air law exam, IREX and IR checkride. The exams have to be taken first as you need to have a CASA CPL to do the IR check ride. There is no check ride for your ATPL.
NB. You are exempt from having to take the IR checkride and written exam if at any time you have had a CASA CMEIR. You are also exempt from the CPL air law written exam if you have held a CASA CPL before.
Im planning on coming back soon so have looked into it. Only thing I can't find out for certain - some of the majors may want you to do all 7 ATPL exams if you are converting from FAA regardless even though CASA doesn't require it!
Hope this helps!
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not quite that simple
stillcallozhome
You are legally correct with your comment about a check ride, however in practice it is not quite that simple. Generally people will need to do some flying here in order to be fully conversant with all the procedures, navigation techniques (for VFR CPL) etc before they can successfully pass the check ride.
The amount of flying required clearly depends on your experience, currency and background. It would be best to budget on some expenditure as part of the conversion.
Oz
You are legally correct with your comment about a check ride, however in practice it is not quite that simple. Generally people will need to do some flying here in order to be fully conversant with all the procedures, navigation techniques (for VFR CPL) etc before they can successfully pass the check ride.
The amount of flying required clearly depends on your experience, currency and background. It would be best to budget on some expenditure as part of the conversion.
Oz
Oz,
I agree 100%. Was just talking about what CASA wants. You have any idea about that req from QF and VB about the 7 ATPL's? Ive already got CASA CPL, CMEIR and FAA ATP. Can convert the FAA ATP for CASA ATPL for the 1 air law exam but want to prepare a little if ive gotta sit all 7 to get a job at the majors.
Cheers,
SCOH
I agree 100%. Was just talking about what CASA wants. You have any idea about that req from QF and VB about the 7 ATPL's? Ive already got CASA CPL, CMEIR and FAA ATP. Can convert the FAA ATP for CASA ATPL for the 1 air law exam but want to prepare a little if ive gotta sit all 7 to get a job at the majors.
Cheers,
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If you convert an OS ATPL to, and obtain, an Aussie ATPL by just doing the conversion Air Leglislation you will NOT be allowed to sit the Aussie ATPL subjects.
Therefore if X brand airline requires you to have the subjects you will not be in a position to do them.
I agree it sucks, but that is from the CASA horses mouth.
Worth thinking about.
Therefore if X brand airline requires you to have the subjects you will not be in a position to do them.
I agree it sucks, but that is from the CASA horses mouth.
Worth thinking about.
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I've done FAA written ATP too before I came back to AU but I wish to apply for either QF or VB so I am starting a class in Jan to redo all CASA 7 subjects...I am flying for charter company in NT, I've got 800TT now but probably it'll take me another 8 months or more to reach to 1500TT, then only I can do ATP cheackride to obtain full FAA ATP..I am already back in AU and going back to the States just to do Chkride isn't practical at all..and then come back to AU and resit Air Law, it is easier for me to redo all 7 subjects and if I finish within 2 months, I can even meet the minimuns to apply for QF or QF link with CASA CPL/MEIR, ATPL theory with 500 PIC (Most likely they won't even reply but atleast I would meet the mins)
However a friend of mine has full ATP ticket with 2000+TT, he doesn't wish to go to the airlines so he only did Air law exams and RFDS took him..so it also depands on who do you wanna fly for...regional airlines such as Air North, Pearl Air, Vicent, Mcair Sky Trans etc, probably they wouldn't care if you only have conversion ATPL but atleast you have to meet their mins 1500TT, 500 ME PIC, higher than QF or QF links.
However a friend of mine has full ATP ticket with 2000+TT, he doesn't wish to go to the airlines so he only did Air law exams and RFDS took him..so it also depands on who do you wanna fly for...regional airlines such as Air North, Pearl Air, Vicent, Mcair Sky Trans etc, probably they wouldn't care if you only have conversion ATPL but atleast you have to meet their mins 1500TT, 500 ME PIC, higher than QF or QF links.
Im flying for a regional in the US so dont wanna sidestep. Will do what it takes to fly bigger a/c when I get back. Ive already got the ATP so might do the air law, apply to bigger airlines, then do the other 6 if I don't hear anything. Would hate to do all 7! Especially after all the crap I went through converting my CASA to FAA.
