Obnoxious Behaviour
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Obnoxious Behaviour
I had the fortune (misfortune!) to witness a most remarkable dummy spit on friday, and it was by a person I now know to be a regular contibutor to these foums, and the driver of a funny "V" tailed thingy.
Oh such language in earshot of a lady!
I followed up this disgraceful display with the poor unfortunate recipiant of this totally uncalled for tirade, soon after the BAD tempered individual had moved away. Seems he has the entire airport in agreeance, and that this is the norm if all isn't his way.
As an outside looking on for the first time, all that was required was a "G'day mate, I am about to pull my aircraft out of the hangar, can you move yours a bit?" As I saw it, he could have got out anyway, but might have had to do a small turn or two.
Some people, despite their airs and graces, just go through life making things awkward for others. I don't know the history as I am not there often, but the airmanship displayed was OFF! What made it worse was he was only going to do a run up and then leave his aircraft at another establishment for maintenance.
Why the hurry and abuse for such a trivial situation? Wake up to yourself, and have the b..ls to apologise to the fellow who didn't do anything but help you!
Glad he isn't my friend.....then again his sort would never be, I only like well mannered pilots!
Oh such language in earshot of a lady!
I followed up this disgraceful display with the poor unfortunate recipiant of this totally uncalled for tirade, soon after the BAD tempered individual had moved away. Seems he has the entire airport in agreeance, and that this is the norm if all isn't his way.
As an outside looking on for the first time, all that was required was a "G'day mate, I am about to pull my aircraft out of the hangar, can you move yours a bit?" As I saw it, he could have got out anyway, but might have had to do a small turn or two.
Some people, despite their airs and graces, just go through life making things awkward for others. I don't know the history as I am not there often, but the airmanship displayed was OFF! What made it worse was he was only going to do a run up and then leave his aircraft at another establishment for maintenance.
Why the hurry and abuse for such a trivial situation? Wake up to yourself, and have the b..ls to apologise to the fellow who didn't do anything but help you!
Glad he isn't my friend.....then again his sort would never be, I only like well mannered pilots!
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Must be something about people who fly these things. Over here in the west a similar situation arose when Mrs IJ asked said aircraft pilot if he could move his aircraft a bit so she could get ours out. Lazy SOB jumped in to manipulate the pedals and said "ok- you push". useless ****!
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There was a time a few months ago I posted (under another now defunct pseudonym) on the topic of airmanship, courtesy and good-neighbourliness on your own home airfield and when visiting others... I got shot down majorly. Seems to me that this discussion has elements of both sides of the point I was trying to make, from both a "local" and a "visitors" point of view. Good manners, courtesy and consideration are qualities many of us seem prepared to demand from all around us, but few prepared to offer.
Take a step back boys, calm yourselves and next time you are confronted with a similar situation, one hopes you might conduct yourselves with more tact.
Take a step back boys, calm yourselves and next time you are confronted with a similar situation, one hopes you might conduct yourselves with more tact.
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This is indeed a touchy subject & subject to all sorts of tempers & reactions. In defence of the Dr I know how he feels re being denied access. And to be fair such events need to be taken up in writing with the person/s concerned to make it very clear as to who has what rights here even if to have it documented if the worst happans, two planes 'touch'
It's a bit of an unwritten law on all airfields not to park & leave an A/C in front of a hangar esspecially if it's not known.
Airmanship as 'RS' mentioned here is the core reasoning behind these events. It's lacking a lot these days, perhaps it's simply not taught enough to pilots when they first start learning the airport etiquette, something that is learnt over time but needs to be shown in the first instance. Unfortunetly I come across parked A/C all the time that are not meant to be there (signs indicate this as well as tarmac makings). If I cannot speak to the person involved I place a stern but polite note under say the cabin access door reminding them not to leave an A/C unattended in such a place. The biggest bug bear I find though is someone running up an A/C right beside me when there's acre's of real estate about well away from my craft, now that's very poor airmanship.
Ok Dr do you have any leagl options? Advice from someone where you stand should you get hemmed in again & again?
There's always two sides to any story, fly neighbourly starts well b4 we get airborne!
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It's a bit of an unwritten law on all airfields not to park & leave an A/C in front of a hangar esspecially if it's not known.
Airmanship as 'RS' mentioned here is the core reasoning behind these events. It's lacking a lot these days, perhaps it's simply not taught enough to pilots when they first start learning the airport etiquette, something that is learnt over time but needs to be shown in the first instance. Unfortunetly I come across parked A/C all the time that are not meant to be there (signs indicate this as well as tarmac makings). If I cannot speak to the person involved I place a stern but polite note under say the cabin access door reminding them not to leave an A/C unattended in such a place. The biggest bug bear I find though is someone running up an A/C right beside me when there's acre's of real estate about well away from my craft, now that's very poor airmanship.
Ok Dr do you have any leagl options? Advice from someone where you stand should you get hemmed in again & again?
There's always two sides to any story, fly neighbourly starts well b4 we get airborne!
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Airmanship as 'RS' mentioned here is the core reasoning behind these events. It's lacking a lot these days, perhaps it's simply not taught enough to pilots when they first start learning the airport etiquette
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Ladies and Gentleman,
Do not post here often however having also overheard some of this incident and witnessed some rather poor groundsmanship yet again by those who just park where they feel like it, I figure some balance is in order.
Before I go on, it was funny to watch that after the Beech Vtail was taken out and refueled a Navajo parked in the same offending area not long after. You would think it would have been fair to assume its not an isolated incident when it was the same company as the Islander that caused the incident in the first place. The fact they have a swag of 206's Islanders and Nav's that they can not accommodate, and is obviously a problem to them, it should not mean their problems be shoved onto others around the place. Funny enough talking to the maintenance operation that I share with the Beech owner, it may not be just him that has the problem!
As for the words it went something like this: "a loud whistle from the Beech owner, followed by hey, is that your islander?" and then "well shift the bloody thing"
Lucky it was not me they blocked in again!
I am at a loss as to why that constitutes rather rude and obnoxious behavior, seems like a fair request to me under the circumstances, and using the excuse a lady was in earshot, which I can not verify as I did not notice, sounds like crack-up may have been the offending Islander man and did not like being shown up in front of others. Funny what emotions may encourage one to post like he did.
Storm in a tea cup.....or just the guilty trying to petty point score if you ask me.
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Do not post here often however having also overheard some of this incident and witnessed some rather poor groundsmanship yet again by those who just park where they feel like it, I figure some balance is in order.
Before I go on, it was funny to watch that after the Beech Vtail was taken out and refueled a Navajo parked in the same offending area not long after. You would think it would have been fair to assume its not an isolated incident when it was the same company as the Islander that caused the incident in the first place. The fact they have a swag of 206's Islanders and Nav's that they can not accommodate, and is obviously a problem to them, it should not mean their problems be shoved onto others around the place. Funny enough talking to the maintenance operation that I share with the Beech owner, it may not be just him that has the problem!
As for the words it went something like this: "a loud whistle from the Beech owner, followed by hey, is that your islander?" and then "well shift the bloody thing"
Lucky it was not me they blocked in again!
I am at a loss as to why that constitutes rather rude and obnoxious behavior, seems like a fair request to me under the circumstances, and using the excuse a lady was in earshot, which I can not verify as I did not notice, sounds like crack-up may have been the offending Islander man and did not like being shown up in front of others. Funny what emotions may encourage one to post like he did.
Storm in a tea cup.....or just the guilty trying to petty point score if you ask me.
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Seems he has the entire airport in agreeance
Just for the record one of my pet hates is the use of the phrase in agreeance, it does not exist, it is agreement "Seems he has the entire airport in agreement"
Not long ago I asked a pilot if it was OK for him to leave the aeroplane where he'd parked it. His reply was "Sure, why not?".
"Did you see those 6 ft high words painted on the tarmac under your wing - KEEP CLEAR?"
"Nope."
He didn't seem to care that he was blocking aircraft from taxiing past the hangars.
I'm often accused of being too subtle. In future I must use that loud whistle approach followed by "hey you".
"Did you see those 6 ft high words painted on the tarmac under your wing - KEEP CLEAR?"
"Nope."
He didn't seem to care that he was blocking aircraft from taxiing past the hangars.
I'm often accused of being too subtle. In future I must use that loud whistle approach followed by "hey you".
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Crack up,
I dont know you or Dr whatever, BUT...
I think, respectfully, that this is absolutely the wrong venue to air this sort of grievence.
For your own sake, I would suggest that you delete the whole thread as it demeans you, not neccessarily the other guy.
Furthermore, if you feel that his tone of voice/language etc was insulting or whatever, just yell louder than him and tell him #$%^ $%^ )(&^ and aslo $%^& then kick him in the ###$% and then give out a #$%^&*&^%$#@!@#$%^&^^%$#@ #$%^&*() not forgeting to &^$@@#^&^%^ with his sister.
This always works for me and they rarely do it again.
What you do with his battery charger is, well, up to you.
I dont know you or Dr whatever, BUT...
I think, respectfully, that this is absolutely the wrong venue to air this sort of grievence.
For your own sake, I would suggest that you delete the whole thread as it demeans you, not neccessarily the other guy.
Furthermore, if you feel that his tone of voice/language etc was insulting or whatever, just yell louder than him and tell him #$%^ $%^ )(&^ and aslo $%^& then kick him in the ###$% and then give out a #$%^&*&^%$#@!@#$%^&^^%$#@ #$%^&*() not forgeting to &^$@@#^&^%^ with his sister.
This always works for me and they rarely do it again.
What you do with his battery charger is, well, up to you.
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Good on ya Doc! About time some of these inconsiderate parkers got a blast - hangar etiquette is touchy subject but some folk just think they are immune. I'm afraid I've been guilty of similar obnoxious behaviour myself in a similar situation but we did manage to clear the air without binging it to this public forum - what a DH!
How about a strike for for Crack-up for using the forum to publically malign a known personality in this way?
How about a strike for for Crack-up for using the forum to publically malign a known personality in this way?
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Almost a case of "Tarmac Rage" perhaps?
Most Ppruners will assume crack up has fingered FTDK as the obnoxious person concerned - that was unnecessary.
From what I gather FTDK's been enduring inconsiderate treatment and being nice no longer works for him. He simply should not have to ask people to leave clear access to/from his hangar. If someone is continually and knowingly blocking him in/out, then being nice may no longer be an option.
Does crack up have a solution for FTDK's problem, or is he just trying to make an @rse of himself?
Most Ppruners will assume crack up has fingered FTDK as the obnoxious person concerned - that was unnecessary.
From what I gather FTDK's been enduring inconsiderate treatment and being nice no longer works for him. He simply should not have to ask people to leave clear access to/from his hangar. If someone is continually and knowingly blocking him in/out, then being nice may no longer be an option.
Does crack up have a solution for FTDK's problem, or is he just trying to make an @rse of himself?
Anyone having trouble with a regular, persistent offender blocking access to the hangar, should get one of these to tow your aircraft out.
They can be fitted with bulldozer shovels, too.
They can be fitted with bulldozer shovels, too.
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Hey Dr, why not just complain in writing to airport management every time it happens? They'll have to forward the complaint to the operator, and it'll no doubt get tiresome to be at the receiving (or forwarding) end of such complaints, so at the least you'll annoy them back in a perfectly gentlemanly fashion -- which is the type that annoys the most, because there's nothing they can do against it, and it's in done in style, too. 
In all likelihood, they'll just go elsewhere to have you off their back.. and it'll only cost you one click on the "send again" button every time
The steady drop hollows the stone, as an old Germanic idiom puts it
In all likelihood, they'll just go elsewhere to have you off their back.. and it'll only cost you one click on the "send again" button every time
The steady drop hollows the stone, as an old Germanic idiom puts it
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Big buildings called hangars.....
Crackpot,
Airports have these big buildings called hangars,which have extremely big heavy doors.
PEOPLE LIKE TO BE ABLE TO OPEN THEM AND THEN ACCESS THE TARMAC.
I have personally always thought it was extremely rude , and the epitomy of bad airmanship to block access to these places and of course worse still to start a plane turn it in front of open doors a sand blast all the planes in side............not that I'm aware of this happening in this instance,but it does.
And CPLs should be setting an example, mere PPLs can occasionally be excused as some do not know any better. It reflects very badly on the Chief Pilot of an operation if he does not teach courtesy to other airport operators to his young proteges.
Funnily enough I observed the same operation, hindering the same elderly chappy in Dec 2007........so they have been quite discourteous for quite some time.........on that occasion he just grumbled a bit, ...he's usually quite chatty and ready for a yarn........
You obviously witnessed the final straw.........
Airmanship and manners go a long way.....
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Airports have these big buildings called hangars,which have extremely big heavy doors.
PEOPLE LIKE TO BE ABLE TO OPEN THEM AND THEN ACCESS THE TARMAC.
I have personally always thought it was extremely rude , and the epitomy of bad airmanship to block access to these places and of course worse still to start a plane turn it in front of open doors a sand blast all the planes in side............not that I'm aware of this happening in this instance,but it does.
And CPLs should be setting an example, mere PPLs can occasionally be excused as some do not know any better. It reflects very badly on the Chief Pilot of an operation if he does not teach courtesy to other airport operators to his young proteges.
Funnily enough I observed the same operation, hindering the same elderly chappy in Dec 2007........so they have been quite discourteous for quite some time.........on that occasion he just grumbled a bit, ...he's usually quite chatty and ready for a yarn........
You obviously witnessed the final straw.........
Airmanship and manners go a long way.....
Flopt