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Is Eagle really the first step?

Old 20th Sep 2008, 01:37
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Old 20th Sep 2008, 03:08
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whoaaa dudes, steady on aye fellas, I hear that the 2 hundy hour pilots are da bomb bro, they got da mean as silky skills man, its so choice dat u dont have to go thru 2 years of GA flying iced up bricks in da middle of da nite to score a flying gig anymore. That GA stuff dont teach you nothing man. All ya need for Eagle is to practice on a flight sim and know how to say "bank angle" every now and then I hear those experienced captains and even air force guys dont have the S.A. and hands that these new fellas have got. These guys gonna fly through and deservedly so. They got da right stuff and da right attitu.. attitu.. attitu... bank angle!
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Old 20th Sep 2008, 04:20
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Old 20th Sep 2008, 06:56
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acectc, I remember back many years ago when I looked after the maintenance for Eagle at Auckland before the 1900D days, we had the odd pud puller like you.
One of my colleagues put a cocky young f/o straight one day and he complained to me asking what does X know about flying. He shut up when I told him X had more hours and experience than he had and in worse conditions than he could dream of. Do not try and show your superiority to an engineer either, most of us are experienced pilots too!
Generally the know alls were sorted out very quickly by the other pilots who were 100% professional and top people as well. They were good days in the 90s!
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Old 20th Sep 2008, 18:00
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Do not try and show your superiority to an engineer either, most of us are experienced pilots too!
Ha! thats the funniest thing I've heard in ages! a spanner monkey thats been sniffing a bit too much skydrol. Stay away from the flying talk spanner monkey..you might do yourself an injury
Engineers in general are smelly, opinionated, and mostly wrong. How many on here have witnessed the line spanner monkey scratch his arse at a snagged item..then mutter that well worn phrase "well I dunno whats wrong with it...its probably f****ed"

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Old 20th Sep 2008, 18:59
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My oh my haughty one, we do have a chip on our shoulder. It is said one can train a monkey to ride a bike but he can never fix a flat tyre so obviously that is you.
I have been in aviation possibly double the time you have been on this earth as I assume you are still pubescent and shaving only once a month to get rid of the unsightly bumfluff ,or maybe I am thinking about the other face.
Sadly it is people like you who do the rest of the very professional pilots a major disservice, as where I work we have the utmost respect for each other in the somewhat trying conditions where I work.
Please haughty, please. crawl back under the rock from where you came from and please listen to what your parents try and tell you as you may grow up one day.
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Old 20th Sep 2008, 19:02
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Please haughty, please. crawl back under the rock from where you came from and please listen to what your parents try and tell you as you may grow up one day
Thanks for the advice Propstop

I didn't even have to put bait on the hook

I should probably add that my input to this thread is in keeping with the rubbish it was started with.

Propstop, my most humble apologies....(most engineers both at home base and outstations are top draw)..just like pilots there is the odd feckwit, most also can spot a wind up and have sense of humour about it.
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Old 20th Sep 2008, 19:16
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Haughtney 1 Apologies accepted. Just had a bad day at work and only a week to go before the end of my rotation and I can then come back home for 5 weeks to normality and a decent glass of red.
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Old 20th Sep 2008, 20:47
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a shame acectc can't look forward to the same...what with the drinking age these days...
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Old 28th Sep 2008, 10:56
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Had a chuckle to myself on Saturday, when I was at the Auckland Careers Expo, and overheard 2 pilots manning the CTC stand telling a interested young guy the salary for Eagle was 70k
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Old 29th Sep 2008, 01:57
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That is quite funny. Do you think that they were telling tales or that someone has told them lies? My understanding is that if you hold a command there you might be getting close to that by including allowences etc. The problem with that idea is that CTC chaps wouldn't be able to get a command because they don't have the pic for an ATPL.
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Old 29th Sep 2008, 20:00
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It's a wind up, 400 hours is too much experience for someone leaving CTC course.
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Old 29th Sep 2008, 22:13
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wow ACECTC you havent been talking to the same 200hr guys that i have! they said its fun but by far the hardest thing they've ever done...so with an attitude like that it sounds like you'll be going nowhere fast.

p.s this must be a wind up right?
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Old 30th Sep 2008, 04:14
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That is quite funny. Do you think that they were telling tales or that someone has told them lies? My understanding is that if you hold a command there you might be getting close to that by including allowences etc. The problem with that idea is that CTC chaps wouldn't be able to get a command because they don't have the pic for an ATPL.
No worries there cjam, the PIC requirement is 150 hours, no way around that unfortunately (ICAO requirement is 100). So if they've done a bit above the CPL minimums (eg C cat or whatever) they'll be fine. But because of the silly 50% rule they will need 4 years on the line to get the ATPL. Flight school to part 125 command in 4 years isn't bad for NZ!
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Old 30th Sep 2008, 07:58
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Speaking of 200 hour pilots in eagle....

Any news on how those first few CTC guys went on line training? I can think of at least 2 C&T captains there who would be wondering what the hell the world has come to when they're getting 200hour pilots being handed jobs they needed more like 4000 hours to get their interview in the late 80's..... Is it just me or does it seem like the industry is in dumbing-down mode? Everything is about reaching the bare minimum standard of skills knowledge and experience and moving on....
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Old 30th Sep 2008, 08:31
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Ha ha, was wondering when someone would ask or post that. Seems that those cocky little [email protected]#cks, well at least one of them, FAILED Bwaahahaha, maybe they said bank angle on their checks. No, it's a shame when people miss their checks but I think that is what most were thinking, going by some of the comments I have heard.
At least that delays me having to fly with them. Maybe, no, hopefully they will pull their head from thy arse and eat some humble pie if they are still around in a months time.

To true, the captains that they fly with WILL put them in their place but will probably get told off after he little "kids" run to the boss with tears running down their face and a wet patch on their pants. This is after the captain had to take control cause they stuffed up an ils with max x-wind. Couldn't teach it that real in the sim eh boys??

Funny that they call the captain on b.a. and then brag about it, shows that they know nothing, thats what sops are for, and thats why there are 2 pilots in the seat. The one into Auckland was the second time it was said, that was a test because they could not believe that they said it and wanted to see if he would do it again...
Not being part of the operating crew and all, I think I would have shut the doors or turned the little off.

Just goes to show the value of some life skills and reading situations.
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Old 30th Sep 2008, 10:42
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Ever thought it could be a trial run of things to come, aka the Air NZ cadets that may well come from CTC in the future (if they get the contract)
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Old 30th Sep 2008, 10:53
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Christ you guys make flying sound difficult, for crying out loud it is not rocket science. Any skipper worth their salt will realise that an FO is there to learn and that you are their mentor, what in Gods name do you think they are going to learn with your aggressive attitudes. You should be endeavouring to pass on as much as you can as it won't be long until these 'upstarts' are commanding aircraft that members of your family may be paxing in.
Find some maturity pills or get out!!
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Old 30th Sep 2008, 20:30
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When they get commands I want to be far away. Also, you cant teach someone who knows all there is to know... Not refering to the ctc guys now.
You are right, flying is not hard, monkeys can do it, so why then do they fail. Could it be that people who mouth off about it dont realise the standard that the c and t have, but they must be lacking in something to fail an "easy" flight test

Maybe they are not ready for it at 200 hrs. My guess is that the 200 hr guys that go fly for easyjet etc loose that chip on the shoulder as soon as they pass thrugh nz customs. From the comments passed round the crew room, these 2 think that it's piss easy to do what we do and will shortly learn that it is not as easy as they may think.

If someone wants to learn I will teach them all I can but there are those here that think that they are just passing time till there command comes up. Little do they know that they are FAR from ready.
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Old 1st Oct 2008, 02:15
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always inverted....... you sound a little intimidated if not alot, you afraid these ctc cadets gonna show you up, i mean it must be difficult to fly the ils with max crosswind whilst monitoring your little PPRuNe comments, shot
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