Merged: V-australia Interviews, T's & C's etc?
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There is NO WAY you can be an airline pilot!
Your response(s) are erudite, practical, sensibly laid out, informative and lack the venom that some posters believe is the hallmark of a "challenging wit."
Therefore, I say again, at least on Pprune, you CANNOT BE an airline pilot!
.........and on the off chance, by some freak of nature, you really ARE an airline pilot.......then very impressed, love your work,
cheers
There is NO WAY you can be an airline pilot!
Your response(s) are erudite, practical, sensibly laid out, informative and lack the venom that some posters believe is the hallmark of a "challenging wit."
Therefore, I say again, at least on Pprune, you CANNOT BE an airline pilot!
.........and on the off chance, by some freak of nature, you really ARE an airline pilot.......then very impressed, love your work,
cheers
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Hi Bullamaker,
sorry, but what do you mean?
sorry, but what do you mean?
*As usual, terms and conditions apply, see fine print for details.
Is it still free if you resign the day after you get the endo?
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NOTHING is free, my friends. Whether you pay up front, or have to pay over the course of your career there via LOW wages.... you WILL pay!
what is the incentive for 777 type rated pilots to join? do they get higher wages? or are they just not bonded ?
what is the incentive for 777 type rated pilots to join? do they get higher wages? or are they just not bonded ?
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I agree with you more than you would believe in certain cases. No, I am not an agro, Im very easy going in fact. Maybe im a little angry YES. I do get offended when 'certain' people bag my profession to other members of staff within the same company. Thats what really gets me. I worked extremely hard to get where I am...Extremely! I am willing to help out my employer only if is reciprocated in some way, or at least acknowledged in some form. I dont appreciate narrow minded individuals, but most of all, I dislike that the respect for our profession is rapidly diminshing (im sure the travelling public would too). Some people will only hear what they want to. We have all been there at some point I know. I think I have made alot of very valid points on the matter. I should not have replied to your response, but I thought you deserved one. I will not respond any more on this topic nor to anyone else on here.. I have said everything I had to say
How about being drafted in on a day off for no extra money, or what about being given crew food in lieu of allowances etc,etc,etc Yeah right...........it's Free, Hahahahaha
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Or how about "enjoying" your "day off" in some shonky, honky hood in LA while your daughter wonders where Daddy is on her birthday. At least the crew meal will be good..... bwahhhaaaaahhaa
You're a pack of jokers that can't read.
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You're a pack of jokers that can't read.
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if what I've read is all what you have, then go away
bwahhhahahahaa....jokers......
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VH - YES
I think you will find the SYD based Dash operator you refer to does not charge for the endo, plus you will probably earn more, work less, and get paid for working on your day off. I did 700 hrs and got 65k there last yr. Not money to get rich on but a pretty good life style.
The ONLY reason that VA are not charging for the endo is because its the only way they will get any crew in the current environment. If they started up 3 years ago they would be charging for it, just like VB, Jet*, etc, etc. They are not trying to be fair mate, just doing what they have too so they can get the show on the road.
I am not trying to bag you or anyone else who accepts a job there. Just be aware of why things are the way they are and where the terms and conditions sit relitave to other operators.
Framer, no I would not plan to leave anywhere the next day. Just pointing out that the endo is not free, i.e your bonded. If you left within the bond period you would be up for the cost of the endo.
Bulla
I think you will find the SYD based Dash operator you refer to does not charge for the endo, plus you will probably earn more, work less, and get paid for working on your day off. I did 700 hrs and got 65k there last yr. Not money to get rich on but a pretty good life style.
The ONLY reason that VA are not charging for the endo is because its the only way they will get any crew in the current environment. If they started up 3 years ago they would be charging for it, just like VB, Jet*, etc, etc. They are not trying to be fair mate, just doing what they have too so they can get the show on the road.
I am not trying to bag you or anyone else who accepts a job there. Just be aware of why things are the way they are and where the terms and conditions sit relitave to other operators.
Framer, no I would not plan to leave anywhere the next day. Just pointing out that the endo is not free, i.e your bonded. If you left within the bond period you would be up for the cost of the endo.
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Sure thing B043,
forgot about the "no kids clause" included by the management "team"!
Interestingly, I hear that pilot applicants over 80kg have been scrubbed. Numbers have been crunched and the cost of carrying the extra weight of 3 "heavier" pilots over the Pacific over a year is, in accountant speak... considerable!
Enjoy the booby prize......
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forgot about the "no kids clause" included by the management "team"!
Interestingly, I hear that pilot applicants over 80kg have been scrubbed. Numbers have been crunched and the cost of carrying the extra weight of 3 "heavier" pilots over the Pacific over a year is, in accountant speak... considerable!
Enjoy the booby prize......
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You are worse off at VA, ops could not help myself, sorry. I only wrote tht because you told me not to....
Just be aware you are accepting a long haul life style, i.e. away from home alot, missing family events, insomnia, tiredness and the long term effects of jet lag, (bad for your health!!, thats why I think its worth getting paid well for) all at a regional airline wage.
As I previously said I am not trying to give you a hard time for accepting it. If you are happy, that is all that counts. However it can not be said it is a good deal, thats all.
Have a nice day,
Bulla
Just be aware you are accepting a long haul life style, i.e. away from home alot, missing family events, insomnia, tiredness and the long term effects of jet lag, (bad for your health!!, thats why I think its worth getting paid well for) all at a regional airline wage.
As I previously said I am not trying to give you a hard time for accepting it. If you are happy, that is all that counts. However it can not be said it is a good deal, thats all.
Have a nice day,
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Hey Bulla, why do you always have the 'final say?' your not female are you? 
Can't you simply let those guys who joined VA enjoy their job, do you see anyone bagging your regional possie?
Can't you simply let those guys who joined VA enjoy their job, do you see anyone bagging your regional possie?
vh-yes, have another look at your contract. It states fairly clearly that your per annum salary is for 1000 Hours and includes callouts on days off. I.E you will not be paid extra when told to work on your day off. Also the percentage bonus has so many caveats that you will not see any percentage gain till the airline makes a profit.........who knows how long that will be!
I don't know why anyone would choose to accept this contract unless they were unemployed presently, or extremely desperate to return to Oz.
I'm not trying to sledge you just point out that this employment contract is the worst I have ever seen. I would rather work for J*,Tiger,Air Asia X,Ryanair.
V Oz will get off the ground but I wonder how long it will hold onto the Capt's and F/O's once realization sets in.
Make a wise decision based on all the facts avble.
Also check out the thread regarding V Oz's HR departments attitude towards flight deck.................Do your research and make up your own conclusion.
I don't know why anyone would choose to accept this contract unless they were unemployed presently, or extremely desperate to return to Oz.
I'm not trying to sledge you just point out that this employment contract is the worst I have ever seen. I would rather work for J*,Tiger,Air Asia X,Ryanair.
V Oz will get off the ground but I wonder how long it will hold onto the Capt's and F/O's once realization sets in.
Make a wise decision based on all the facts avble.
Also check out the thread regarding V Oz's HR departments attitude towards flight deck.................Do your research and make up your own conclusion.
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Question for VH-YES
A bit of thread drift, but VH-YES said:
When were you interviewed? I was interviewed by QL in March and started my course in April (DEFO). One of my friends did the traineeship a month later and another one did the traineeship the month after that.
EVERYONE in my course who wasn't based in SYD was reimbursed accomodation, AND got overnight allowances on top of that (AFAIK, the same went for the other courses).
The DEFO's had a choice of either an upfront $10,000.00. You'd not get paid until you got your Dash-8 endo (5-8 weeks later), but you'd then be on full pay. If you went for the bond ($19,000 pro-rata over 3 years) you'd be on training pay (around 80% of full-pay) from day one of the ground school.
The traineeship candidates didn't get paid while they were at GFS. They were bonded for four years, but were also paid the training pay from day one of the ground school.
PM me if you like, so as not to stray from the thread, but your QL interview expectations was very different to mine and everyone I've since met at QL.
DIVOSH!
I was interviewed by QL earlier in the year and I was flattly told -
1. Pay $18,000 upfront and even though I was not to be based in Syd I was to pay for accommodation, food etc etc for the entire 2 months training without PAY! and JS do the exact same thing and is a fact not fiction, wonder where they got the idea from?
1. Pay $18,000 upfront and even though I was not to be based in Syd I was to pay for accommodation, food etc etc for the entire 2 months training without PAY! and JS do the exact same thing and is a fact not fiction, wonder where they got the idea from?
EVERYONE in my course who wasn't based in SYD was reimbursed accomodation, AND got overnight allowances on top of that (AFAIK, the same went for the other courses).
The DEFO's had a choice of either an upfront $10,000.00. You'd not get paid until you got your Dash-8 endo (5-8 weeks later), but you'd then be on full pay. If you went for the bond ($19,000 pro-rata over 3 years) you'd be on training pay (around 80% of full-pay) from day one of the ground school.
The traineeship candidates didn't get paid while they were at GFS. They were bonded for four years, but were also paid the training pay from day one of the ground school.
PM me if you like, so as not to stray from the thread, but your QL interview expectations was very different to mine and everyone I've since met at QL.
DIVOSH!