SE Turbine time
I'm currently a single-engine-turbine driver.
Operators prefer twin time, but I don't think the Cri-Cri is what they had in mind.
Operators prefer twin time, but I don't think the Cri-Cri is what they had in mind.
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Lash, Can i ask who for ? Pm if you like
might have the chance at a caravan job then after a while maybe a C90
not working in flying now
but all i want to do is fly
might have the chance at a caravan job then after a while maybe a C90
not working in flying now
but all i want to do is fly
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stormynights...there is not time like twin time. I know all the operators I used to work for require twin time and single eng. turbine was single engine time. None the less total time is whats needed as well. Work on twin command not icus. Thats my 2 cents worth.
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SE turbine time is certaintly handy when an operator requires previous turbine experience but as many have said twin time has been & for the foreseeable future will always be everything! A twin or a single in the crz is the same, just more guages to watch over, it's when the spam hits the fan in that twin is where being on top of it counts. SE failures just means yr the first at the scene of the accident, no prizes there !
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Quote; "might have the chance at a caravan job then after a while maybe a C90"
Stormy, perhaps slight thread drift.....
Putting aside the ultimate need for multi-command (no argument there), flying something is better than nothing (staying current and being close to the coal face and grape vine). Adding some turbine experience to your repertoire won't hurt.
A foot in the right door could always lead to bigger and better things. Most people don't get the twin job handed to them as the first machine they fly for a particular employer (unless you already have the multi experience, but you have to get that first)
Don't spend too much time sitting on the sidelines waiting for someone to hand you a twin job, and refusing anything else.
Generally speaking (not necessarily directed at you Stormy), I think the recent wave of prosperity that has passed has made people a little complacent. Nothing wrong with the Caravan. A couple of years ago one would have been ecstatic about the opportunity to fly one.
Yes it goes in the same column as the 152, but which a/c would better prepare you for the twin opportunity when it comes up.
Pick a niche that's right for you, and a company that can offer progression and stick to it!
Good luck!
Stormy, perhaps slight thread drift.....
Putting aside the ultimate need for multi-command (no argument there), flying something is better than nothing (staying current and being close to the coal face and grape vine). Adding some turbine experience to your repertoire won't hurt.
A foot in the right door could always lead to bigger and better things. Most people don't get the twin job handed to them as the first machine they fly for a particular employer (unless you already have the multi experience, but you have to get that first)
Don't spend too much time sitting on the sidelines waiting for someone to hand you a twin job, and refusing anything else.
Generally speaking (not necessarily directed at you Stormy), I think the recent wave of prosperity that has passed has made people a little complacent. Nothing wrong with the Caravan. A couple of years ago one would have been ecstatic about the opportunity to fly one.
Yes it goes in the same column as the 152, but which a/c would better prepare you for the twin opportunity when it comes up.
Pick a niche that's right for you, and a company that can offer progression and stick to it!
Good luck!
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If the company is the one I think it is up in my neck of the woods I've heard the progression onto the C90 is pretty good and genuine if you are a decent pilot willing to put the work in. As has been said, nothing wrong with a Caravan (except Capt Wally will probably come back and spot that it is missing an engine though! 
). This industry is about stepping stones and it just might be the next best step to take but it's your call - goodluck!
). This industry is about stepping stones and it just might be the next best step to take but it's your call - goodluck!
Stormnights the said company you are look at is a good start for Turbines. All there aircraft are in perfect order 1 of the Caravan is less then 12 months old.
And from all accounts the pilots are good guys
Don't be affraid of the dark
And from all accounts the pilots are good guys
Don't be affraid of the dark
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There was a time, some time ago now you understand that I would have given my 'other one' (the first one I gave to God many times over
) to fly a SE turbine. Gee back in my day flying almost anything was a bonus as others have mentioned here. Flying Sneca 1 for Eg. was a big deal, so rack up the hrs best you can, any hrs will build TT which is still important as I'm sure an operator seeing someone with 900TT with 700 of those hrs multi will be wondering how come? It's all about proportion. Age versus hrs & there breakdown. I was always questioned when I was 'fishing' for further work at the age of about 40 with only arond 2500TT & 1800 or so Multi, how come such low TT for yr age? But that's another story
Oh BTW Cpt Nomad that's fine a SE plane turbine or otherwise is perfect, just in the right conditions that's all
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) to fly a SE turbine. Gee back in my day flying almost anything was a bonus as others have mentioned here. Flying Sneca 1 for Eg. was a big deal, so rack up the hrs best you can, any hrs will build TT which is still important as I'm sure an operator seeing someone with 900TT with 700 of those hrs multi will be wondering how come? It's all about proportion. Age versus hrs & there breakdown. I was always questioned when I was 'fishing' for further work at the age of about 40 with only arond 2500TT & 1800 or so Multi, how come such low TT for yr age? But that's another storyOh BTW Cpt Nomad that's fine a SE plane turbine or otherwise is perfect, just in the right conditions that's all
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Got all the quals 10 years ago
didnt do the "big trip" when i should have and life got in the way
So with the so called demand thought i would try and do what i should have done years ago
didnt do the "big trip" when i should have and life got in the way
So with the so called demand thought i would try and do what i should have done years ago
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single time is single time, multi time is multi time. If your aim is to go through onto airlines then the multi time will get you there quicker than the single time.
Keep in mind the progression within any particular company though, would it be better to spend some time on the caravan if you knew the C90 lay in wait? probably, and you'l really enjoy flying the 208. If on the other hand, it takes 2 years to get onto the C90 then flag it and start drivin a clapped out baron around the bush. Some real fun there too!
Keep in mind the progression within any particular company though, would it be better to spend some time on the caravan if you knew the C90 lay in wait? probably, and you'l really enjoy flying the 208. If on the other hand, it takes 2 years to get onto the C90 then flag it and start drivin a clapped out baron around the bush. Some real fun there too!
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Caravan will glide 20+ NM from 10000 ft "if you're on top of things" maybe even 30 the last time I looked at the graph.... Multi engine A/C is supposed to perform on one and even increase your range.
Who's got the harder decision.
For my two cents the decision made after take off in a large SE turbine with 12+ lives on board is a tough one. Engine failure after take off is a little bit easier in something with guaranteed performance like a Kingair.
the bet is to get both if its going around. Id rather be flying a Caravan than a 152 or Nevergo any day.
Who's got the harder decision.
For my two cents the decision made after take off in a large SE turbine with 12+ lives on board is a tough one. Engine failure after take off is a little bit easier in something with guaranteed performance like a Kingair.
the bet is to get both if its going around. Id rather be flying a Caravan than a 152 or Nevergo any day.
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Chieftains and Partenavia's can fly home with only one going, and both have in fact done so.
Some pilots can't or won't.
In a well known outfit I flew with, the city based chief pilot would never fly a piston engined aeroplane. We had to do that.
Even twin turbine powered aircraft and twin jet airliners have been known to crash after an engine failure. And most accidents are caused by people, not machines.
Sure, as Tinpis says, a piston twin with only one going has lost 50% of it's power, and about 80% of it's climbing ability. But that's usually enough to get home if you do it right. Steep turns and tight circuits are not appropriate.
Some pilots can't or won't.
In a well known outfit I flew with, the city based chief pilot would never fly a piston engined aeroplane. We had to do that.
Even twin turbine powered aircraft and twin jet airliners have been known to crash after an engine failure. And most accidents are caused by people, not machines.
Sure, as Tinpis says, a piston twin with only one going has lost 50% of it's power, and about 80% of it's climbing ability. But that's usually enough to get home if you do it right. Steep turns and tight circuits are not appropriate.