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Been hearing the phrase coming from the pilots of one of our regionals quite frequently, as in "Centre, Rover797, departed YXXX at 30, tracking 360, climbing flight level 250 pending clearance." Is this a case of one pilot hearing some non-standard phraseology and thinking "oh, that sounded cool, I might use it too"?, or is it a direction from the company? And what is the rationale behind it? To an ATC, it's just two superfluous words....
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Is this a case of one pilot hearing some non-standard phraseology and thinking oh, that sounded cool, I might use it too?
I love it when other people start a thread about one of my pet hates!
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Yes, Hempy. It's another HWF (High Wank Factor) non-standard phraseology that the perpetrators think sound good 
. ATC know you want a clearance and know you'll remain OCTA awaiting, sorry, pending your clearance, so why bother verbalising it?
Kind of like the "Proposed Descent" of the 80's
, or the "Maintains" (Ansett plural) of the 90's.
. ATC know you want a clearance and know you'll remain OCTA awaiting, sorry, pending your clearance, so why bother verbalising it?Kind of like the "Proposed Descent" of the 80's
, or the "Maintains" (Ansett plural) of the 90's.
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I use them on the odd occasion.
I call it an anticipative call...
eg. Mel Centre, VH-XXX is where-ever, request airways clearance direct Essendon, preferably 7,500ft.
VH-XXX you are now at 25 miles, begin descent. Roger, Centre, VH-XXX will begin descent at 10 miles.
It's a little like my intersexual departures.
Maintains is also valid. It's when you speak on behalf of you and your aircraft. All stations Avalon, VH-XXX, we are 5 miles out (even if you are single pilot), or VH-XXX turnS left base for 36.
You guyz have gotta do that engrish test some time soon.
I call it an anticipative call...
eg. Mel Centre, VH-XXX is where-ever, request airways clearance direct Essendon, preferably 7,500ft.
VH-XXX you are now at 25 miles, begin descent. Roger, Centre, VH-XXX will begin descent at 10 miles.
It's a little like my intersexual departures.
Maintains is also valid. It's when you speak on behalf of you and your aircraft. All stations Avalon, VH-XXX, we are 5 miles out (even if you are single pilot), or VH-XXX turnS left base for 36.
You guyz have gotta do that engrish test some time soon.
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Maintains is also valid.
Does the Engrish test include readin?
"Pending Clearance" is also a very big pet hate of mine too. Why can't people just use STANDARD PHRASEOLOGY!!
Another one that ****s me, an aircraft is out in woop woop and the nearest CTA is at FL185 above them, and they come out with "Centre, ABC, request climb one zero thousand",
. Why are you requesting climb when you're OCTA? 
morno
Another one that ****s me, an aircraft is out in woop woop and the nearest CTA is at FL185 above them, and they come out with "Centre, ABC, request climb one zero thousand",
. Why are you requesting climb when you're OCTA? morno
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Its being picky.....but here goes KRUSTY.
BNE CEN: VH-KRUSTY Brisbane Centre
VH KRUSTY: Brisbane Centre, VH-KRUSTY
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
but thats just being picky. The odd extra word is probably OK so long as it does not end up like the USA where its a dangerous rabble of sland and misinformed controllers and pilots.
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BNE CEN: VH-KRUSTY Brisbane Centre
VH KRUSTY: Brisbane Centre, VH-KRUSTY
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
but thats just being picky. The odd extra word is probably OK so long as it does not end up like the USA where its a dangerous rabble of sland and misinformed controllers and pilots.
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Krusty
I suppose it would go like this:
"Krusty 34, Brisbane Center?"
"Krusty 34"
"Krusty 34, confirm maintaining 7000. Radar shows you 7400"
I was going to start exactly this thread, Hempy, after bashing around QLD last week and hearing it consistently from that particular airline.
The other one was "All stations YXXX, Wank Air 420 Delta, the Dash 8..."
I screw up on the RT often but I haven't written my own procedures just to sound cool.
Next thing we'll be hearing lines from the Dooks 'f Hazzid... cos it sounds cool
I suppose it would go like this:
"Krusty 34, Brisbane Center?"
"Krusty 34"
"Krusty 34, confirm maintaining 7000. Radar shows you 7400"
I was going to start exactly this thread, Hempy, after bashing around QLD last week and hearing it consistently from that particular airline.
The other one was "All stations YXXX, Wank Air 420 Delta, the Dash 8..."
I screw up on the RT often but I haven't written my own procedures just to sound cool.
Next thing we'll be hearing lines from the Dooks 'f Hazzid... cos it sounds cool
The problem is, supposedly, that REX are often doing it.
Could any REX jockey here please confirm that there is no company directive to say "pending clearance".
It's starting to creep in to where it don't belong, and we (in our game) wanna squash it. It's only "pending clearance" we're interested in thanks.
Stick to standard phrases as per AIP, at this time. (Oh! there's another one!!!!)
Could any REX jockey here please confirm that there is no company directive to say "pending clearance".
It's starting to creep in to where it don't belong, and we (in our game) wanna squash it. It's only "pending clearance" we're interested in thanks.
Stick to standard phrases as per AIP, at this time. (Oh! there's another one!!!!)
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I agree wholeheartedly, superfluous, non-standard babble has no place in aviation.
"Pending clearance" must take a whole second to say.
On the other hand, the following;
Smartstate 542: Centre, SS542 departed blah blah, climbing FL250
ATC: SS542 remain OCTA
Smartstate 542: Remain OCTA
..........takes another 5 to 8 secs.
If the offending airline has been involved in the above multi-transmission exchange on several occasions, then the offending pilot may merely be attempting to communicate his SA/need for a clearance to the ATCO.
I've heard this on plenty of occasions and can understand how some have slipped it into their RT.
There was a thread on this recently. At the end of the day does it really matter as long as we are getting our message across???
And no, I rarely use the "pending" bit unless the departure port is in close proximity to the CTA LL.
"Pending clearance" must take a whole second to say.
On the other hand, the following;
Smartstate 542: Centre, SS542 departed blah blah, climbing FL250
ATC: SS542 remain OCTA
Smartstate 542: Remain OCTA
..........takes another 5 to 8 secs.
If the offending airline has been involved in the above multi-transmission exchange on several occasions, then the offending pilot may merely be attempting to communicate his SA/need for a clearance to the ATCO.
I've heard this on plenty of occasions and can understand how some have slipped it into their RT.
There was a thread on this recently. At the end of the day does it really matter as long as we are getting our message across???
And no, I rarely use the "pending" bit unless the departure port is in close proximity to the CTA LL.
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And the absolute worst of them all:
'Centre ABC taxies WYY for MB RWY.. 2pob Request IFR traffic and code'
When you use standard phraseology as per AIP you'll get a traffic statement and code BOXHEAD
'Centre ABC taxies WYY for MB RWY.. 2pob Request IFR traffic and code'
When you use standard phraseology as per AIP you'll get a traffic statement and code BOXHEAD
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Originally Posted by Reverseflowkookaburra
At the end of the day does it really matter as long as we are getting our message across???
The problem with "professional" pilots and non-standard phraseology is that it is a product of a lack of discipline.
Reading an AIP to get the right calls rolling off the tongue, even unfamiliar ones, is a pretty simple task. Its all in there, in black and white.
Sure, we all blurt out a dumb call every now and then.
But there is a difference between a skilled and disciplined pilot who occasionally fumbles when distracted, and the lazy b-gger that never really bothered to keep up with the requirements.
Like any other laziness, it is not just confined to one area. Show me a pilot that farts around with a basic position report, and I'll show you a pilot that probably doesnt know separation standards at "non-towered" aerodromes, doesn't use manufacturer or company standard operating procedures and techniques, etc.
And thats not just my opinion. It is what Rob Helmreich found in his LOSA project - "teams that violate procedures or make other non-consequential errors are more than 1.4 times more likely to commit other types of offences."
Helmreich RL. Culture and error. In: Safety in aviation: the management commitment: proceedings of a conference. London: Royal Aeronautical Society.
So sloppy radio work = lack of required discipline = unprofessional aviator.
And it is so simple to fix. Read the AIP and apply some discipline. Then observe improvements in other areas of your operation as discipline spills over and cleans up your act in general!
Thanks Bendo. But I was alluding to a phrase frome ATC something along the lines of, "Krusty 34 Brisbane Centre request?" "Go ahead" seems a natural response to it when asked in that manner. I do however see your point.
As for "Pending clearance", makes me cringe everytime I hear it. I can say there is definitely no directive from the company to use it. In fact if anyone I fly with try it, (and there are 1 or 2) I ask them where in the Jeps it can be found. They usually get the message!
As for "Pending clearance", makes me cringe everytime I hear it. I can say there is definitely no directive from the company to use it. In fact if anyone I fly with try it, (and there are 1 or 2) I ask them where in the Jeps it can be found. They usually get the message!
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...the other one is the "taxiis", "departs", "lines up"
The idea is that You are reporting what YOU are doing.
It's not a fukcing running commentary and we aren't on the edge of our seats.
Oh... and it's not in AIP/JEPP like that either.
Aero Club pilots at my local aerodrome have taken to the ol' double-click as a response. Very handy to make a call as you turn inbound on the NDB approach and simply get "click click" as a reply.
ITCZ's point about discipline is an excellent one and well made.
The idea is that You are reporting what YOU are doing.
It's not a fukcing running commentary and we aren't on the edge of our seats.
Oh... and it's not in AIP/JEPP like that either.
Aero Club pilots at my local aerodrome have taken to the ol' double-click as a response. Very handy to make a call as you turn inbound on the NDB approach and simply get "click click" as a reply.
ITCZ's point about discipline is an excellent one and well made.
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So, out of curiosity, how many of you call "finalS"? There is only one final approach for any particular runway.... And just to be as picky... I hear the big red rat (supposedly the professionals) often call "clear of all runways" even though there is only one runway....