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TAA Cessna 180's in PNG

Old 9th Apr 2012, 02:53
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Porters... sorta thread drift. In 1963, I was out at Mt Isa when the army flew the first one we'd seen in. We had a look while they refuelled then he taxiied out and asked for take off clearence while sitting on the end of the piano keys, facing the wrong way. The tower came back with the estimated take off distance of a hundred feet or what ever, and the pilot said, "Acceptable ...request take off clearence"
Tower came back with something like, "at your own risk ... clear for take off".
The lad gunned her on the brakes and let them go, and was off the ground between the other end of the piano keys and the runway end.
It was the old runway and there wasn't a particularly strong south easter blowing at the time.
It certainly gave us a heap of respect for the ugly bugger.
There were three original piston ones parked on Sentani in about 1972 awaiting some engineer to certify them. We had a licenced engineer who could who came to Vanimo with us to service the threes on the overnight returns to our side of the border, as we did a heap of charters over the other side for the Indos.
Arthur was ordered to never go across the border with us as he'd be nabbed and kept to certify them.
They looked more like an aeroplane than the praying mantis the turbine makes them look like
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Old 9th Apr 2012, 05:23
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Yeah, they all had the emergency fuel.
You can see it in this panel shot of P2-BAM, lower RH corner of main panel..

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Old 9th Apr 2012, 10:38
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stol kits

I wouldn't even bother with the Robinson stol on a 185. Heavy both in a/c empty weight and on the controls. Loose aileron effectiveness at slow speeds.
Best cuff by far the sportsman. Some cheap micro dynamics VGs (especially on vertical & horizontal stab) improve low speed handling & help keep tail up on low speed approach with aft c of g.
Wing extensions definitely the A.R.T wing-x stol though they reduce your VNE to about 165ish but can fit nicely with a sportsman leading edge (can be builti into the extensions) and can be removed pretty easily.
Another is the flint tip tanks extension. Don't reduce VNE but can't have a sportsman style leading edge so there's a fence in between.

Ultimate beast- sportsman leading edge, wing-x extensions and micro VGs. Machine
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Old 9th Apr 2012, 12:14
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Have another look at Bills story http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...ml#post7114896

Cripes 1958 - 63 they would of still been raking up Jap stragglers then!
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Old 9th Apr 2012, 12:18
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P2 TAC

TAC was an ex new tribes machine. She had the MAF emergency fuel system and the horton stol kit. Seemed to get off the ground well, come to think of it i do not recall getting below about 65 kts for landing and the sink with the early wings does not start until about 60. But the safely margin was handy if it all started to go wrong turning away from a ridge at low speed.
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Old 9th Apr 2012, 14:02
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There is a 185 at Armidale with tip tanks, speedbrakes and TOTALLY flush riveted!
It's only the wings that are flush riveted, the whole thing would have been a little too time consuming I'd think.
It's also got the STOL kit. (can't remember which brand, but its the droopy aileron one)
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Old 10th Apr 2012, 01:20
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Tinpis, what does this sign say in the Queens language ?
Best quality I could recover from an old picture.
Keep off the airstrip I guess ?


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Old 10th Apr 2012, 02:46
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This info is courtesy of Trevor Michie.

I have info on a few 180's as well.

I used to own VH-SIA 185 0427

185.

Country Registration Make Model Serial Operator Source Acquired PrevReg NextReg Misc Web_ref
P2 MJL Cessna 185 Co-ordinated Air Services Ken Black - - - flipped upside down on take-off at Kisengan airstrip on March 5th 1979. -
P2 SEO Cessna 185 Talair Tourist Airlines of Niugini Balus Vol III - - - to Peter Barter -
P2 SEO Cessna 185 Co-ordinated Air Services Balus Vol III - - - ex Peter Barter -
P2 SEO Cessna 185 Peter Barter Balus Vol III - - - ex Talair -
P2 SEP Cessna 185 Talair Balus III fitted with AgSpray kit
VH AWM Cessna 185B -551 NG Anglican Mission CAA Reg 70 - - - - -
VH BVG Cessna 185A -355 Capuchin Mission PIAS 71 16-May-62 N4455Y - - -
VH BVJ Cessna 185C -667 Missionary Aviation Fellowship CAA Reg 70 - - - Overshot Alkema 1964 -
VH BVK Cessna 185A -459 Missionary Aviation Fellowship CAA Reg 70 - - - - -
VH BVY Cessna 185 Missionary Aviation Fellowship Balus III - - - - -
VH CME Cessna 185A -273 Mandated Airlines PIAS 71 2-Nov-62 JZ-MAR - No Information Available -
VH CME Cessna 185A -273 Leahy J.R CAA Reg 70 24-May-69 JZ-MAR - No Information Available -
VH CMO Cessna 185A -422 STOL Commuters CAA Reg 70 - - - - -
VH CMO Cessna 185A -422 Mandated Airlines PIAS 71 20-Jul-62 N1622Z - - -
VH CMP Cessna 185A ?? Mandated Airlines PIAS 71 10-Aug-62 N1625Z VH-ELF - -
VH CMR Cessna 185A -117 Territory Airlines TalAir CAA Reg 70 6-May-68 VH-RHG - No Information Available -
VH CMR Cessna 185A -117 Mandated Airlines PIAS 71 9-Jun-62 N9917X - No Information Available -
VH CMS Cessna 185A -506 Territory Airlines TalAir CAA Reg 70 4-Oct-68 N2506Z - - -
VH CMS Cessna 185A -506 Mandated Airlines PIAS 71 19-Nov-62 N2506Z - - -
VH CMV Cessna 185B -519 Mandated Airlines PIAS 71 17-Jan-63 N2519Z - No Information Available -
VH CMW Cessna 185C -678 Territory Airlines TalAir CAA Reg 70 6-May-68 N2678Z - No Information Available -
VH CMW Cessna 185C -678 Mandated Airlines PIAS 71 27-Feb-64 N2678Z - To TAL -
VH DJU Cessna 185C -677 STOL Commuters CAA Reg 70 - - - No Information Available -
VH DWM Cessna 185A -315 Aerial Tours PIAS 71 - N4115Y VH-GKI To Tourist Air Lines -
VH ELF Cessna 185 -425 Kabwun Trading Co CAA Reg 70 - - - - -
VH GKE Cessna 185A -297 Territory Airlines TalAir CAA Reg 70 - - - No Information Available -
VH GKF Cessna 185B -542 Territory Airlines TalAir CAA Reg 70 - - - - -
VH GKI Cessna 185A -315 Territory Airlines TalAir CAA Reg 70 - - - No Information Available -
VH KRD Cessna 185D -576 STOL Commuters CAA Reg 70 - - - No Information Available -
VH KRD Cessna 185A -576 Ansett Airlines of P-NG PIAS 71 - N2576Z - - -
VH MFA Cessna 185C -699 Missionary Aviation Fellowship CAA Reg 70 1964 - - No Information Available -
VH MFB Cessna 185C -762 Missionary Aviation Fellowship CAA Reg 70 - - - No Information Available -
VH MFE Cessna 185D -864 Missionary Aviation Fellowship CAA Reg 70 1965 - - No Information Available -
VH MFF Cessna 185D -934 Missionary Aviation Fellowship CAA Reg 70 Mar-66 - - No Information Available -
VH MFG Cessna 185C Balus II Mar-67
VH RHG Cessna 185A -117 Gibbes Sepik Airways PIAS 71 14-Jul-61 N9917X VH-CMR sold 9 Jun 1962 Ansett-MAL -
VH SBU Cessna 185A -429 TAA Airlines of NG PIAS 71 10-Aug-62 N1629Z - Sold to STOL 17 Dec 1965 -
VH SBU Cessna 185A -429 STOL Commuters CAA Reg 70 - - - - -
VH SBU Cessna 185A -277 Leahy J & R PIAS 71 27-Nov-70 VH-BPB - No Information Available -
VH SBU Cessna 185A -429 Ansett Airlines of P-NG PIAS 71 - N1629Z - Sold 27 Nov 1970 R Leahy -
VH SIA Cessna 185A -427 Summer Institute of Linguistics PIAS 71 9-Aug-62 N1627Z - - -
VH SIL Cessna 185A -427 Summer Institute of Linguistics PIAS 71 - - VH-SIA - -
VH SIM Cessna 185B -526 Summer Institute of Linguistics CAA Reg 70 22-Feb-63 N2526Z - Sold to Macair 17 Aug 1970 -
VH STP Cessna 185A -277 STOL Commuters CAA Reg 70 - - - No Information Available -
VH STP Cessna 185-277 Ansett Airlines of P-NG PIAS 71 - VH-BPB - - -
VH FLZ Cessna A185E-1421 Wirui Air Services CAA Reg 70 - - - - -
VH WET Cessna A185 -497 Missionary Aviation Fellowship CAA Reg 70 - - - - -
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PNG 180 info. Courtesy of Trevor Michie.


VH BVG Cessna 180 32655 Capuchin Mission PIAS 71 15-Dec-56 N7758A VH-WGC - -
VH BVI Cessna 180C 50752 Missionary Aviation Fellowship CAA Reg 70 - - - - -
VH BVR Cessna 180D 50957 Missionary Aviation Fellowship CAA Reg 70 - - - fitted with floats Mar 1967 -
VH DWB Cessna 180H 51889 Catholic Mission CAA Reg 70 - - - - -
VH GKA Cessna 180D 50970 Territory Airlines TalAir PIAS 71 7-Apr-61 N6470X VH-SL? to SDLS Jun 63 -
VH GKB Cessna 180A 50072 Territory Airlines TalAir PIAS 71 21-Apr-59 N9772B VH-MJ? to STOL Oct 61 -
VH KER Cessna 180A 32764 Papua Aero Club PIAS 71 - VH-BVJ VH-WGE See VH-WGE -
VH PNE Cessna 180A 50181 Papuan Airlines and Patair PIAS 71 25-Jan-62 VH-CXO - sold -
VH RHG Cessna 180 30731 Gibbes Sepik Airways PIAS 71 7-Jul-59 N2431C VH-BPM - -
VH RPK Cessna 180H 57609 Montfort Mission CAA Reg 70 - - - - -

VH SDA Cessna 180G 57364 Coral Sea Union Mission CAA Reg 70 - - - - -
VH SDB Cessna 180H 57640 Coral Sea Union Mission CAA Reg 70 - - - - -
VH SRW Cessna 180E 51176 Wirui Air Service CAA Reg 70 - - - - -
VH SVD Cessna 180A 32746 Catholic Mission CAA Reg 70 - - - - -
VH WGE Cessna 180A 32764 Papua Aero Club PIAS 71 - VH-BVJ - - -
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Old 10th Apr 2012, 03:34
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It certainly gave us a heap of respect for the ugly bugger.
You wash your mouth out It's a beautiful plane

And what's the chances of getting a take off clearance in those circumstances today I wonder?
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Old 12th Apr 2012, 00:00
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Cessna PNG Attention Tinpis

Yes it was over 60 years ago for me, but some of best aviation memories I have. Before I started into Aviation I was working at International Harvester. A fellow worker was Noel Peacock, who was some before was with TAL, he had a bad one if my memory is right in a Drover at Chimbu. Back problem, was flown south, never to return. Ended up flying as a FO on DC3's on the dewline radar system in Canada. Jnr wrote to him asking to come back to NG. Noel said thank you but no thanks, have a friend who can do the job. Thats how I ended up in TAL. Noel is still a good friend of mine, lives in Sydney with his wife as far as I know is in good health.
Regards Bill S.
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Old 12th Apr 2012, 01:08
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PNG memories

I think you blokes should get together and put all your stories and pictures into a book on PNG op's. I'll order one now ...
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Old 12th Apr 2012, 06:43
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The TAA Lodge ones as well?
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Old 12th Apr 2012, 22:59
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Especially those !
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Old 13th Apr 2012, 04:03
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I think you blokes should get together and put all your stories and pictures into a book on PNG op's. I'll order one now ...
I'll have one too.

I know for a fact that Tinpis has more than a few 'interesting' (read scandalous!) stories he could tell.
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I lived next to the DC6B's hosties at Transair Lodge... had my 21st birthday with them... trouble is my memory is going so I've forgotten most of the stories!!!
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VH DWM Cessna 185A -315 Aerial Tours PIAS 71 - N4115Y VH-GKI To Tourist Air Lines -
I don't think Buscuit Ears ever owned that aircraft? DWM = Divine Word Mission.

A fellow worker was Noel Peacock, who was some before was with TAL, he had a bad one if my memory is right in a Drover at Chimbu. Back problem, was flown south, never to return.
Not a Drover. Noel Peacock pranged one of the original TAL DH84 Dragons on the old Chimbu strip around 1957(?), was badly injured and flown south.

After that, possibly 1958, Dick Cresswell flew the last TAL DH84 Dragon VH-AON south.

Whilst researching the history of TAL/Talair in the 1970s, I was unable to find Noel Peacock but did manage to contact you, with I think information from Junior.

I also contacted Tony Chadim, then working in Canberra. Didn't get a good reception - he did not have nice things to say about Junior!

I also contacted Mat Matus but didn't get much information from him. Tony Chadim and Mat Matus, both originally Czechoslovakian pilots, successfully carried out the first aircraft hijack of a German plane at the end of World War II and flew to freedom. Bill S may remember more details???
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Old 20th Apr 2012, 07:07
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"skywagon 1915 -Notice - tambu long ol kariron long airstrip - Tank you - By order"
Lot of time has passed since my PNG days - so may not be totally correct. "Notice - forbidden for all carry onto airstrip -Thank you - by order"
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Old 20th Apr 2012, 07:20
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Airstrip sign

Tinhorse ...
I believe you, it reads like I would talk when I've had a few.
Got engine and prop for #01915 yesterday, so we'll soon be able to take her "home" for a renuion up north. Can you still read a map ?
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Old 21st Apr 2012, 09:57
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Tinhorse and co - close, but I think "kar"= car, and ron/raun" = run / drive, so "tambu long ol kar i ron ling airstrip" = "Cars are not permitted to drive on the airstrip.

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