Jeppesen Airways Manual or Airservices DAP'S
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Jeppesen Airways Manual or Airservices DAP'S
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i am just starting my instrument rating and was confused about which charts to get whether the jeppesen airways manual or the airservices departure and approach procedure charts.
well my instructor actually advised me tat airlines actually use jeppesen charts and it would be a bit hard to migrate from airsevices to jeppesen at a later date.
but there is considerable amount of difference in da prices for both, well you can pick airservices charts both east and west for about $170 and da jeppesen airways manual wud cost abt $590.
so please advise me which wud be da right way to go ......
whether is it worth spendin all da money and gettin jeppensen or stick to airservices DAP'S
thanks
i am just starting my instrument rating and was confused about which charts to get whether the jeppesen airways manual or the airservices departure and approach procedure charts.
well my instructor actually advised me tat airlines actually use jeppesen charts and it would be a bit hard to migrate from airsevices to jeppesen at a later date.
but there is considerable amount of difference in da prices for both, well you can pick airservices charts both east and west for about $170 and da jeppesen airways manual wud cost abt $590.
so please advise me which wud be da right way to go ......
whether is it worth spendin all da money and gettin jeppensen or stick to airservices DAP'Sthanks
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Fords or Holdens?
At the end of the day they both tell you the information you need to know, cost about the same, and it's really not that hard to switch between the two of them. Don't forget that if you go down the Airservices path you'll need to buy TACs and ERCs as well.
The cost saving with the DAPs really only comes if you need a specific area (e.g. working in WA and only need DAPs West, an ERC and one or two TAC Charts). From memory Jepps works out cheaper if you need all of Australia (ie it completely replaces your AIP, DAPs East and West, all TAC and ERC charts).
It really is personal preference when it comes to the IREX.
At the end of the day they both tell you the information you need to know, cost about the same, and it's really not that hard to switch between the two of them. Don't forget that if you go down the Airservices path you'll need to buy TACs and ERCs as well.
The cost saving with the DAPs really only comes if you need a specific area (e.g. working in WA and only need DAPs West, an ERC and one or two TAC Charts). From memory Jepps works out cheaper if you need all of Australia (ie it completely replaces your AIP, DAPs East and West, all TAC and ERC charts).
It really is personal preference when it comes to the IREX.
I was up until recently using Airservices DAPS... I switched to Jepps to be more in line with what everyone else in the company uses..
Whilst Jepps plates are good, their ammendment service is ****e... consistently receiving late ammendments or not at all and have to chase it up.
Whilst Jepps plates are good, their ammendment service is ****e... consistently receiving late ammendments or not at all and have to chase it up.
Keep in mind that the Jepps include DAPs as well as ERSA/AIP Book/ERC Charts in the same 2 folders. I've personally never had trouble with the amendment service, though I do know of people who've had trouble with both Jepp and Airservices.
As far as I've seen most large companies use Jepps.
As far as I've seen most large companies use Jepps.
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"da jeppesen airways manual wud cost abt $590.
so please advise me which wud be da right way to go ...... whether is it worth spendin all da money and gettin jeppensen or stick to airservices DAP'S"
For starters the Airlines usually require you to have a basic understanding of the English Language which includes spelling. So maybe your money would be better spent on some English tutoring first.
As for Jepps or DAPS i find the Jepps are easier to read once you are used to them and certainly the Airlines do use them.
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so please advise me which wud be da right way to go ......
whether is it worth spendin all da money and gettin jeppensen or stick to airservices DAP'S"For starters the Airlines usually require you to have a basic understanding of the English Language which includes spelling. So maybe your money would be better spent on some English tutoring first.
As for Jepps or DAPS i find the Jepps are easier to read once you are used to them and certainly the Airlines do use them.
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.......It was the only sensible one here.
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Get Jeppesen's! You will end up using them anyway at some stage, you might as well start out that way.
As for late amendments, I have used Jeppesen for about 9 years and have only had late amendments on 2 occasions. If you ever have any problems (lost plates etc..) give them a call in Canberra and they will get if fixed ASAP! All in all a very professional bunch.
PS: If you ask around you can often pick up a set of Jepp's for a lot less than $590, that way all you need is the amendment service!
As for late amendments, I have used Jeppesen for about 9 years and have only had late amendments on 2 occasions. If you ever have any problems (lost plates etc..) give them a call in Canberra and they will get if fixed ASAP! All in all a very professional bunch.
PS: If you ask around you can often pick up a set of Jepp's for a lot less than $590, that way all you need is the amendment service!
The only thing Jepps have going for them is the smaller form factor. They quite often have errors compared to AIP, the ERSA equivalent Airport Directory is pathetic, the charts are tissue paper, the approach chart layout is poor and confusing compared to DAP and the numbers of amendments (every bloody two weeks) gives me the absolute sh1ts. One aspect of my retirement I'm really looking forward to is not having to do Jepp amendments!
300series,
re your speling comment:
Good one Bloggs! 
300series,
re your speling comment:
Jepps or DAPS i find the Jepps
Howie has nailed it! Should you choose to move on towards an airline in the future you will find that Jeppesen documents are almost exclusively used in this environment. That said, each company is different however you'll find them to be the norm in most.
They may well be more expensive up front, however from what I understand Jepps are more cost effective come renewal time.
Wouldn't that be... touché? 
Very best regards to you too!
OpsN.
They may well be more expensive up front, however from what I understand Jepps are more cost effective come renewal time.
Speling..........or Spelling?
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Very best regards to you too!
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If you go from DAPs to Jepps, careful of the little arrow in the no circling area box. Daps points to your final approach track, Jepps points to the no-circling area. Bad idea to get the two confused on a dark and stormy night after a long day in the saddle!
6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other, but i prefere DAPs me self!
6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other, but i prefere DAPs me self!
I changed from ASA to Jepp when ASA changed format to A5. The ASA change meant that I could no longer fit all the DAP charts in my flight bag. Also I found the extra width of the A5 format to be less convenient in flight. The new ASA charts have (or at least had) print "bleed through" on its paper which makes some charts harder to read at night. A really good thing about Jepp is that they vary the print size with the important stuff in larger type. This is good for old blokes who really should be using reading glasses. Have a close lookm at the print quality of the two - especially in low light. Don't worry about the thin paper. Its not a problem and the Jepp system has really nice plastic covers if you are really concerned. You don't need ARC & TAC charts as a previous poster indicated because Jepp includes an equivalent. Like most guys, I get the ASA ERSA & VTC's - thats all. I prefer the fortnightly amendments. Typically its only a few pages, which is easier to do than the 3 month stack from ASA. I also reckon that Jepp tend to reprint whole sections more than ASA, so there's less piecemeal page replacement which makes it less fiddly. I think the whole Jepp system is intellectualy better thought out and unlike ASA they do field trials before they implement format changes. However, it does take learning and like ASA it has quirks. I'm glad I switched to Jepp and regret not having done it for my training. Check ebay USA for leather binders, I use 2 x 2 inch plus a 1 inch one for all my common destinations and the charts. The 2 inch binders go in a headset bag in the back and the 1 inch goes in my (small) flight bag under my knees.
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Old Akro,
Good post mate. It really helps coming across a post with unbiased pros and cons, hints to save a few $$, and the practicalities of using one system or the other.
Good on you.
Good post mate. It really helps coming across a post with unbiased pros and cons, hints to save a few $$, and the practicalities of using one system or the other.
Good on you.