Airtex passengers no more
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Heard today that Airtex has lost the right to carry passengers on any of their flights which means that they are now confined to freight only.....
Anyone wanna buy a frew Chieftains
Happy days
Bizz
Anyone wanna buy a frew Chieftains
Happy days
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Who iss goink to pay for ziss?
... wonder who is the new preferred NSW Govt CHTR operator then?
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Heard today that Airtex has lost the right to carry passengers on any of their flights which means that they are now confined to freight only.....
Anyone wanna buy a frew Chieftains
Happy days
Bizz
Anyone wanna buy a frew Chieftains
Happy days
Bizz
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Happy days????/
YES
sorry to sound like a prick but......
If a pilot knowingly fly's into known icing conditions in a aircraft that is not certified,
flys over loaded
conducts a take off in crosswinds higher than the published max
conducts a landing in crosswinds higher than the published max
knowingly conducts fligts that exceed their F & D times
If a pilot does not keep a complete and up to date and accurate flight and duty time record
Yes they shoud be un-employed.
For the pilots there doing the right thing, yes i am sorry but there are better organisations to fly for.
YES
sorry to sound like a prick but......
If a pilot knowingly fly's into known icing conditions in a aircraft that is not certified,
flys over loaded
conducts a take off in crosswinds higher than the published max
conducts a landing in crosswinds higher than the published max
knowingly conducts fligts that exceed their F & D times
If a pilot does not keep a complete and up to date and accurate flight and duty time record
Yes they shoud be un-employed.
For the pilots there doing the right thing, yes i am sorry but there are better organisations to fly for.
If one pilot did all of the above, he/she certainly should be run out of the industry. If ALL their pilots have been doing most of the above, surely it suggests coercion? Management should be run out of the business. If the company itself is financially sound, someone will take it over. If not, the inevitable will occur anyway and pilots should have learned some good lessons which should help them find a better job next time.
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And was that the pilot wanted FS to give him a lower LSALT on the flight path so HE could get out of ice? STANDBY - I'LL JUST SHIFT A FEW HILLS!!!!! (SOMEWHERE BTW YPMQ & RIC?)
With that CP in control, what a f------- drongo.
With that CP in control, what a f------- drongo.
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Could one of the moderators shut down this thread please? I am feeling sick
Wow how very melodramatic. Employee of airtex i gather.
there is not a pilot in the country that could ignore some of the things they have done. You cant argue the facts about a lot of their incidents because they are well documented
NOT ALL THE STAFF THERE ARE BAD.
if you sms777 turn a blind eye to near misses, flying a aircraft with pax, no autopilot and only one pilot up the front, etc etc etc you shouldnt be in the industry.
Wow how very melodramatic. Employee of airtex i gather.
there is not a pilot in the country that could ignore some of the things they have done. You cant argue the facts about a lot of their incidents because they are well documented
NOT ALL THE STAFF THERE ARE BAD.
if you sms777 turn a blind eye to near misses, flying a aircraft with pax, no autopilot and only one pilot up the front, etc etc etc you shouldnt be in the industry.
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they were advertising for a CP for one of their operations a few weeks back. My understanding (please correct me if I am wrong) is that old mate out their has 3 aviation business' running with 3 seperate AOC's. Airtex, Wingaway and the other name escapes me.
(from AFAP website)
WANTED – CHIEF PILOT
For small charter operation at Bankstown Airport.
Must have minimum of 1000 hours in command,
250 hours multi engine
12 months charter operations, PA31 endorsed.
Send resume to fax 02 8700 0672 or mail Manager Human Resources
Locked Bag 10, Georges Hall, NSW 2198.
(from AFAP website)
WANTED – CHIEF PILOT
For small charter operation at Bankstown Airport.
Must have minimum of 1000 hours in command,
250 hours multi engine
12 months charter operations, PA31 endorsed.
Send resume to fax 02 8700 0672 or mail Manager Human Resources
Locked Bag 10, Georges Hall, NSW 2198.
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Time indeed this thread is shut down....
And was that the pilot wanted FS to give him a lower LSALT on the flight path so HE could get out of ice? STANDBY - I'LL JUST SHIFT A FEW HILLS!!!!! (SOMEWHERE BTW YPMQ & RIC?)
With that CP in control, what a f------- drongo.
With that CP in control, what a f------- drongo.
For the pilots there doing the right thing, yes i am sorry but there are better organisations to fly for.
casa has become very much a reacting authority...reacting in a way to cover their own arse for litigation. sad days in GA.
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Airtex are/were one of the best operators at Bankstown, and have been for many many years. The pilots were paid on time, and the aircraft were serviced to cat A schedule. Pilots were encourages to report defects, and they were either fixed asap, or MEL'd. There was NEVER any pressure from above to press on or fly in unsuitable conditions.
I believe that CASA and DS have had a few clashes over the years, but who hasn't ?
to wish this company out of business is very poor form. Many many pilots who have worked for them over the years have moved on to bigger and better, and there has NEVER been any ill will in either direction when a pilot moves on.
Companies have actively targeted AIRTEX pilots, as they have found to be of a high standard.
IF this rumour is true, then there is little hope for the rest of an honest GA.
I believe that CASA and DS have had a few clashes over the years, but who hasn't ?
to wish this company out of business is very poor form. Many many pilots who have worked for them over the years have moved on to bigger and better, and there has NEVER been any ill will in either direction when a pilot moves on.
Companies have actively targeted AIRTEX pilots, as they have found to be of a high standard.
IF this rumour is true, then there is little hope for the rest of an honest GA.
I am with apache on this one. The best flying I did in GA was with Airtex before moving onto bigger and better things. Even then, I parted with their best wishes.
I don't know what your agenda is bizzybody/kimwestt but the people were great and to bag out the CP is uncalled for. He was the best CP to work under IMO. Maybe you couldn't cut the mustard??
Ok, so one of the pilots may have been "dodgy" for want of a better word in your example. That is a shame but don't think for a second that there are no other "dodgy" pilots in other organisations. I am sure the offending pilot would have been dealt with.
I don't know what your agenda is bizzybody/kimwestt but the people were great and to bag out the CP is uncalled for. He was the best CP to work under IMO. Maybe you couldn't cut the mustard??
Ok, so one of the pilots may have been "dodgy" for want of a better word in your example. That is a shame but don't think for a second that there are no other "dodgy" pilots in other organisations. I am sure the offending pilot would have been dealt with.
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The AOC says it all
http://www.casa.gov.au/casadata/aoc/...S410586-21.pdf
Read the conditions.
AOC renewed 11 July 08
http://www.casa.gov.au/casadata/aoc/...S410586-21.pdf
Read the conditions.
AOC renewed 11 July 08
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Wow, it doesn't get any more blunt I'd say. In any other industry, that would be the professional death sentence for the CP in question.. let's just hope it sounds more drastic than it is 
The conditions relating to the operations can only mean that they seriously messed up/covered up/"lost" records in the areas concerned, and that CASA wasn't able to audit them because of such practices and now want to make sure these guys are kept honest..
It would be really interesting to get a feel from long-timers in the industry whether these alledged deficiencies are widespread and these guys were just singled out for whatever reason, or if this is just one rotten apple
The conditions relating to the operations can only mean that they seriously messed up/covered up/"lost" records in the areas concerned, and that CASA wasn't able to audit them because of such practices and now want to make sure these guys are kept honest..
It would be really interesting to get a feel from long-timers in the industry whether these alledged deficiencies are widespread and these guys were just singled out for whatever reason, or if this is just one rotten apple
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.. let's just hope it sounds more drastic than it is
HOLY CRAP.
I don't know the gentleman in question but I might say that I have always watched Airtex come and go from my home airport with envy.
Envy for their aircraft, their (outwardly) professional habits and above all, their volume of work.
As a Chief Pilot & CFI myself it gives me no pleasure to see "one of us" crucified like this
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It looks to me as if we have a very sick industry and a very sick regulator.
Someone said that CASA has to go through some legal processes, and wait for about 30 days before they can cancel or suspend an AOC, but they can pull a chief pilot's approval immediately. And a company cannot carry out charter or RPT flights without a chief pilot. So, this CP may not be such a bad guy as it appears. He is stuck in the middle.
Lost records? That does not sound good, but maybe they were lost, and CASA is pulling the cp's approval for losing them.
I wonder if the CP might sue CASA for putting his name and these conditions on a public access forum. AFAP may be interested in this.
If the records were"lost" because they revealed non compliance, (I'm not saying they were) then let's not pretend that the problem is only with the company and CP, and all the pilots are squeaky clean. If they were there would be no compliance problems, because they would not do such things. Would they?
Unless of course we have a system which causes pilots to believe that CASA's rules are not really improtant and It's ok to cheat a bit as long as you do not get caught. And they desperately need those hours to get a jet job that pays squillions. And there are lots of pilots trying to beat them for that job.
So CASA and their rules do not appear to have the respect of the of the pilots and the industry.
And there are very few career GA pilots. Career GA pilots will fix things like this. But our system is VERY WRONG.
Someone said that CASA has to go through some legal processes, and wait for about 30 days before they can cancel or suspend an AOC, but they can pull a chief pilot's approval immediately. And a company cannot carry out charter or RPT flights without a chief pilot. So, this CP may not be such a bad guy as it appears. He is stuck in the middle.
Lost records? That does not sound good, but maybe they were lost, and CASA is pulling the cp's approval for losing them.
I wonder if the CP might sue CASA for putting his name and these conditions on a public access forum. AFAP may be interested in this.
If the records were"lost" because they revealed non compliance, (I'm not saying they were) then let's not pretend that the problem is only with the company and CP, and all the pilots are squeaky clean. If they were there would be no compliance problems, because they would not do such things. Would they?
Unless of course we have a system which causes pilots to believe that CASA's rules are not really improtant and It's ok to cheat a bit as long as you do not get caught. And they desperately need those hours to get a jet job that pays squillions. And there are lots of pilots trying to beat them for that job.
So CASA and their rules do not appear to have the respect of the of the pilots and the industry.
And there are very few career GA pilots. Career GA pilots will fix things like this. But our system is VERY WRONG.