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Old 15th May 2008, 05:00
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5% or bust.
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Old 15th May 2008, 05:06
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WEAK AS P1SS
Once again you are being bluffed.
All by one fat lesbian this time.
Even the head of the unions is afraid of PIA.
So once again there will be 3-4 months of crap followed by a big fat nothing.

This is the softest campaign of industrial action ever.
You QF LAMEs wouldn't know unity and power if it hit you in the face.
I bet you get 3% again. And then they will close the place anyway.

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Old 15th May 2008, 05:11
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I agree, I have not gone this far to accept less than 5%.
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Old 15th May 2008, 05:15
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If QF management come to the table again and offer pretty much the same as before without budging on 3%,I for one remember voting for 2 day stoppages. At the very least a 4 hour stoppage.

Time to call their bluff.

Lock us out,they are the ones who will call us back to work.Then it should be 10% for pissing us off.
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Old 15th May 2008, 05:19
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81% in favour,we voted with our feet and our balls,the members are behind you.

Call their bluff.

Protected action remember.
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Old 15th May 2008, 05:20
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%5 or nothing, sick of this sh

Will stick together but if we've been bluffed man we will be ped

Tensions here at work are reaching boiling point Maybe if QF stuffs us around we should have a snap strike.

Fed Sec WTF is going on
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Old 15th May 2008, 05:24
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lol at 68000 plus views and building,one would certainly think this is a fairly hot topic.
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Old 15th May 2008, 05:36
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Dont forget the computers in the HR dept!! they must be overheating....

Smile and wave clowns

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Old 15th May 2008, 05:58
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Chill out guys. I am sure this is all part of the plan.

Remember at the start of this week we did not even know we were having a stop work meeting. Now the meeting that we did not know about has been postponed..I say, lets be calm and watch the game get played.

I am sure this is part of a tactic. e.g. If you were scab and had to fly in from another country, being this is now Thursday they would have had to be here by now ready to work Friday... How many who etc... Lets wait and see.


ACTU president Sharan Burrow has asked the union to call off its four-hour stop-work meeting planned for tomorrow afternoon, which would have caused Qantas to cancel a number of domestic flights.
She said the engineers would be willing to accept a rise somewhere in between the 5 per cent they demanded and the 3 per cent Qantas had continued to offer over the previous 18 months of failed wage negotiations.
Message for Sharan Burrow.
5% is not a bargaining point. It is the point. To stick your beak in now after 18 months at the 11th hour so you can grab some headlines is appalling at best
Go climb back under the rock you came from.
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Old 15th May 2008, 06:09
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Relax fellas. The intent of the PIA was to bring Management to the negotiating table. If this happens on day 1, so much the better. SP knows the target value of the deal. Dixon has made some very inflamatory remarks in the press over the last week. Lets see what he has to say now that the union has stepped up to the line and the ACTU is facilitating an outcome. Sharon Burrows is doing her job, only those present at the meeting will know what she has to say. SP has links to the ACTU and this is in some way why we should embrace those links in the future. Perhaps the Government is using Sharon as a conduit to get a deal done without stepping into the fray itself. Who knows and who cares as long as we get an acceptable deal. Lockouts would been a threat. There are not enough "alternative workers" be they management with licences or "privateers" to cover a national lockout. Perhaps a local one but that would have brought on the perception of the MWA dispute. Given that Howard left his mark on that IR debacle, Rudd would want to stay away from that as much as possible. Word is that QF are very close to parkng domestic aircraft against the fence due to Maintenance checks running out of time. Our overtime bans alone would hurt the company significantly. Life style changes are a personal issue for many. Lets do our job to the best of our ability and act in a professional manner at all times. Let SP and Sharon do theirs and let our professionalism support their efforts. Until an agreement in principle is signed, our PIA will remain in force and the sole purpose of the PIA is to achieve a reasonable deal, not to bloody noses or to remove management.

Stay cool. Stay calm. Support your executive and your peers desires for a better deal.
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Old 15th May 2008, 06:11
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The best strategy......

On the surface, it might well have been untimely for Sharan Burrow to appear on the scene, but it's definitely a plus to be publicly seen to want to negotiate rather than engage in what might be construed as bulldozing actions.
The PIA is still active and all the other actions provide the kind of things that will stress Qantas management big time. These are cumulative in their results and are more damaging than a 4 hour stoppage that also upsets the public.
Relax, guys. There's lot to go and a lot to do yet. !!!
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Old 15th May 2008, 06:14
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Wait and see, give your leadership the same weapon Dixon has

Play the game boys!
I hear scabs have broke there contracts in MAS. MAS not happy now. QANTAS now paying scabs and their accom, travel etc. Whats better their the scabs are outed.
Current score
Scabs 0 (short term cash but had to trade their sole)
Qantas 0 (minus a few mil)
ALAEA 3 (still a full paypacket )
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Old 15th May 2008, 06:17
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Not happy
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Old 15th May 2008, 06:19
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I know you mean well, but dont try and pre empt what the union may or may not be doing. You never know who might be reading. Big HI to QE management/HR

I know it's taken the ACTU a while to comment, better late than never!!
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good points rudderless
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For those posting in haste just stay cool. We know exactly what we are doing. Latest notice.


After a meeting today with ACTU President Sharan Burrow, we have decided to take the responsible decision of postponing our stop work meetings planned for Friday the 16th and 23rd of May. Sharan has advised that she will be writing to Geoff Dixon calling for further meetings of the parties with ACTU guidance. We were more than happy to take the responsible approach considering a number of developments in the past 2 days. The PIA Overtime bans remain in place and must be adhered to by all members.


With the huge amount of publicity regarding our dispute, we have taken stock of where we sit tactically and are pleased with some of the results of this week’s events. For those concerned about lockouts, the bad press regarding strikebreaker labour has forced the following public statement from the Qantas CEO -

“We have no intention of locking anybody out,” Mr Dixon said

“We have no intention of replacing our workforce. There'll be no balaclavas, there will be no dogs.”


Malaysian Airlines have approached us for assistance to help them identify their employees who may have abandoned employment or broken company policies by accepting Newport Aviation contracts. Over the weekend we had reports that the $100,000 6 month wage for strikebreakers had been increased to $140,000 due to the reluctance of LAMEs to accept the contracts and this may have created a divide within the alternative workforce. Strikebreakers would be aware by now that there is intense media scrutiny of their movements and they may find themselves identified through the media. We understand that a number of strikebreakers have withdrawn their services.

Our office has received some calls today from members complaining that they heard of the latest developments from the press before we had issued a notice. Quite simply, if a notice had been issued first, we would have lost our advantage in the public relations battle. Members will continue to receive ALAEA advice and notifications when they need it.


Press reports that the ALAEA has backed down and are now talking about the acceptance of a lesser offer are false. We are seeking a 5% pa wage rise and your continued pressure from overtime bans will assist this process. Now is the time to remind Qantas that they have been overzealous with their redundancy programs and rely too much on our goodwill to keep Qantas planes on time. Goodwill should flow both ways and until it does, ours has been withdrawn. Members should continue to expect the unexpected.

Today’s decision was a significant move in winning public and political support for our objectives. Members should be aware by now that this dispute is not taking place in a vacuum and will not be won overnight. The ALAEA is receiving advice and support from all quarters and will continue to play our cards at the right time.





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Old 15th May 2008, 06:32
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With you all the way Fed Sec, just frustrating not knowing whats going on.

So I guess it's situation normal, all fu up!!!!

Any reason this hasn't mad the nightly news yet
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Old 15th May 2008, 06:37
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WEAK AS P1SS
Once again you are being bluffed.
All by one fat lesbian this time.
Even the head of the unions is afraid of PIA.
So once again there will be 3-4 months of crap followed by a big fat nothing.

This is the softest campaign of industrial action ever.
You QF LAMEs wouldn't know unity and power if it hit you in the face.
I bet you get 3% again. And then they will close the place anyway.


Take a chill pill dude. The alaea have scared away half the scabs.
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Old 15th May 2008, 06:37
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Well Done Guys

I for one applaud your efforts and i am sure others will follow.
Thank you for your calming words of wisdom i can put my fl*methrower away now........The pilot light is still on though!!!!!

Its a game and we have the ball well and truly in the opponents 18 yard box and are getting ready to kick.....

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Old 15th May 2008, 06:44
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Knee jerk reactions..........

For anyone wanting to check the facts they need only logon as a member to see the notices.
This should be the first thing to be doing if you want info.
There, you will see the number notices posted on this dispute and they are almost daily.!!!
I think the Fed Sec has attempted to keep all of us informed as soon as practical, so relax guys, don't get too excited over today's events.........
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