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It's official.Flight training to be HECS as of may 08

Old 26th Feb 2008, 13:38
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It's official.Flight training to be HECS as of may 08

Rumours were popping around the flight deck for some time now but having just come back from work and hearing it from a very trustworthy source, who has no reason to make such a statement if they were not 100% confident.
"It was still being finalised, thats why there were rumours floating around but yeh it's finally come through.It's starting in may, probably because they don't want it to be put off for any longer for obvous reasons.150hours intergrated CPL only i heard and it will be available to all students at all flying colleges.I hear we have a certain julia gillard to thank..but who would know as of yet.Apparently an age limit applies but that im not 100% sure about.We should know more in the coming days"

I think it's great that it's finally going to happen and Oz being one of few countries offering this to the people.I think the only downside to this will be the hundreds of guys who payed up and got loans in the recent months/years who are sure to be very PISSED about this.I for one am very happy as my nephew wont have to put off his training any longer.
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Old 26th Feb 2008, 14:30
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i started nov 07
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Old 26th Feb 2008, 16:41
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Lets wait till we hear something official eh! Its a rumour network...
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Old 26th Feb 2008, 17:38
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If this is indeed true, I hope they limit the number of HECS places available and the maximum HECS amount available.

Leaving flying schools in charge of determining the number of places available and the fees to be charged would be like putting Dracula in charge of the blood bank.
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Old 26th Feb 2008, 20:17
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if this is true then it's a kick in the backside for those johnny supporters who rubbished the new gov.

oh thats super,mate it doesn't matter mate how many they put through cause it will be just the same as going to uni.there are stacks going through uni including mature students who have no idea of getting a job and that means they don't pay hecs back.
if you go through any school and get a license then you have to get a job by passing an interview like any other job.on the flip side if you don't impress them in the interview you don't get the nod.
word will get around and only the ones that really want to fly will go for it.
bingo welcome to the real world.
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Old 26th Feb 2008, 20:54
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its official, flying trainers will become a dime a dozen and quality of applicants will be similar to that for a bachelor of arts!
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Old 26th Feb 2008, 21:02
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Flying training under these terms will be very interesting indeed. It's 'till now a well structured industry. Could this be it's demise as we know it?
Let's hope that only good things come from this but like all 'inventions' there will no doubt be problems where we wish it had never been invented in the first place! If it's Govt initiated then that's a grey area in the first place!


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Old 26th Feb 2008, 21:23
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WOW so many negative replys already! lets see the fine print first before predicting the end of professional aviation in Australia.

Was not too long ago many posters were lamenting the lack of HECS for flight training!

I believe my tax statement now calls it FEE-HELP.
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Old 26th Feb 2008, 21:36
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"...hearing it from a very trustworthy source..."
That makes it "official"?



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Old 26th Feb 2008, 22:19
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My only problem with this is that it will create an illusion that getting a CPL is the equivalent of getting a bachelors degree.
 
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gee, all the time people here are complaining about the cost of learning to fly and now with the rumour that it will be picked up by hecs and people are still moaning.
you can't please anyone or is this more sour grapes from liberal supporters.
hasselhof,what exactly is wrong with getting a degree from uni or do you think your smarter than doctors etc..?
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Old 26th Feb 2008, 22:31
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Within a couple of years if this is true, it will become an employers market again. It will then be back to working at the pub and servo for a season before you get your first checkride

Im all for it if it helps the young aspiring aviator get a set of shiny wings, but i cant help but think it will attract some less desirables into the industry.

Wait and see
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Old 26th Feb 2008, 22:36
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I have a degree from uni and I studied medicine for a year (in fact I'm still enrolled on a leave of absence) so I'm not sure what point you're making. What I'm saying is that previously the only way to get HECS was to be dedicated to a long and difficult, thorough course of study of a high academic level. Getting your CPL is not any of those things (all right... it can be difficult at times but nothing compared to what most degrees will throw at you).

Things might have changed but I was under the impression that you didn't have HECS for any courses other than University degrees.

Within a couple of years if this is true, it will become an employers market again. It will then be back to working at the pub and servo for a season before you get your first checkrid
Exactly. Who would want to go back to those days.
 
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I think it's a great plan! It seems to me that from some of the replies that I've seen on this web site, "undesirables" get into the industry anyway.

I, for one, would be happy if it were to happen, and no doubt every other pilot to be would agree! I do feel sorry for the ones that have already done the hard yards financial, but I'm sure they haven't regreted it!
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Old 26th Feb 2008, 23:09
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Manage it properly

If this is indeed true I hope there will be a thorough screening, testing and interview phase before handing out places willy-nilly.

Uni is already full of half-assed teens who are only enrolled because everyone else did.

I find a lot of students like the 'idea' of aviation, but actually have very little knowledge about it. I think the fact learning to fly is so expensive weeds out the half-assed from the passionate, and opening the flood gates to anyone may be detrimental to the good students.

As long as the scheme is managed correctly, it will benefit the industry in the long run. If managed incorrectly, we may find that the good students take longer to achieve their goals due to the fact aeroplanes and instructors are busy reteaching the half-assed students who don't study at home, don't listen in briefings and don't care.
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Old 26th Feb 2008, 23:56
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Uni is already full of half-assed teens who are only enrolled because everyone else did.
and about half if not more of them flunk out in the first year because they don't want to do the hard yards.
but guys look at the big picture this is great for the industry cause it recognises how important it is.

plus if dixon tries to start up a scheme where you have to pay for it then it throws a spanner in the works forhim
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Old 27th Feb 2008, 00:16
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I agree with Strim.
I think the way it is now people who have taken out loans and got themselves into a finacial struggle just to accomplish their dreams it really sorts out the people who actually want to fly.

Ive taken out a loan, and added some more on top of it all for my flying, and i know that i want my investment to pay off.

I think the whole HECS-HELP things with the flying training is try and stop the "pilot shortage" in Australia. Maybe they need a bit more emphasis on the people already training in the industry, maybe an offset or be able to claim part of our expenses. I mean, we are training to earn income in the future.
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Old 27th Feb 2008, 00:22
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Ive taken out a loan, and added some more on top of it all for my flying, and i know that i want my investment to pay off
but isn't that exactly what hecs is mate?

i mean you are supposed to pay it off just like any other uni degree when you get a job.

or are some people here annoyed that they had to organise a loan the old way and now the newbies can get it through hecs.

if this rumour comes around it looks like you can't please some people
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Old 27th Feb 2008, 00:25
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Strim raises an excellent point, IMHO.

For the record, I don't stand to benefit at all from this program, but I think it's an great idea if it is managed right.

At present University applicants are screened through their HSC results. CPL candidates are only screened through their bank balances.

I would hope that not every Tom, Dick and Harriet who rocks up at the local flying school can rack up a government loan of several thousand dollars without any formal selection process.

Wasn't a similar scheme available in NZ a few years ago? I stand to be corrected, but I think one end result was a whole heap of young people with large debts and not much else to show for it.
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Old 27th Feb 2008, 00:29
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but isn't that exactly what hecs is mate?
NO!!! And thats another part of the problem. HECS is a government scheme by which students become financially responsible for PART of their tertiary education, the government pays the rest. For example take medicine. The full domestic fee for a medical degree is something in the order of $150 000 to $200 000 depending on where you go. The commonwealth supported places within medicine (read HECS places) end up paying approx $40 000 of that as HECS payments. Fortunately for most students paying HECS you can choose to defer payment of these fees which is where the assumption that it is all a loan comes into the equation.

If the government wanted to start up a LOAN scheme whereby the student repays the full cost of their training then by all means. But not HECS. HECS is for degree level education.
 

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