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Old 7th Feb 2008, 04:18
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Qantas Pay

I'm after some information on current Qantas pay rates.

I'm looking at SO direct entry in about eighteen months and I'd like to know what I'd be paid:

a) During conversion
b) in the first couple of years following conversion.

I'd also like to know how soon one can attempt an upgrade to FO and what the pay rates are like for FOs.
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Old 7th Feb 2008, 05:00
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http://www.wagenet.gov.au/WageNet/Se...W)&quickview=Y

That's EBA 7. EBA 8 being sorted out now ..
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Old 7th Feb 2008, 05:34
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Thanks, although wading all the way through that could take some time.

Does anyone out there have a quick answer (within +/- $10K)

a) Pay on conversion?
b) Pay once on line?
c) Average length of time to make FO?

Also, if I became a commuter, what airfare to staff pay (say for the commute from ML - SY)?

Cheers.
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Are any QF guys able to give some info on how easy/hard commuting is with a SY base but living in ML?

Also is getting a ML base easy/hard? Is there a decent length wait for this?

Cheers

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Old 7th Feb 2008, 14:05
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I'm looking at a a S/O position in about 18mths?
Want to know what I will be paid?
How soon can I get more $$$?
I think I would like to commute?

A right arrogant prat you are!

Why don't you work on getting the job ( and then keeping it)first.
With 18 mths to qualify to APPLY for a job as a human radio operator/ map folder/auto pilot/ ego massager, do you think you will have any other better ( read "other") options ?

What happened to the young lads who just wanted to fly and dreamed of that day when they opened at letter that offered something else other than " thank you for your update or we wish you well in your carreer"?
Money was second, no, I didn't even consider how much I would be paid.

Think you better go into IT. Fantastic pay and they fly your first class......if your good enough!
Love to be a fly on the wall during your interview!
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Sir,I think if you hired by Qantas as S/o.I guess you will be paid around 65000Au$ annually.
And u will be expected to move on F/o seat in 4 to 5 years.
Other forum members can correct my mistakes if i m wrong.But again it's only my guess.
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DirectAnywhere

Thanks for the info mate. I am already in the QF system so the staff travel is already in place luckily.

Good to know the standbys disappear as you go up the totem pole, I was not aware of that.

The 73 FO was what I had in mind eventually, can you confirm everything else is based from SY?

Do you know if many 330 staff commute? Do they find it OK. I have been told the trips are short compared to the 400, thus commuting is not as viable.

Thanks

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Thanks for the info, much appreciated,

Bulla.
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Who the hell gave you the birth right?

I agree with International trader.

In response to the intial thread, maybe you should include a few words like 'lucky enough' or 'previlaged'. while there is a pilot shortage at the moment, don't go getting to big for your boots mate. There WILL ALWAYS be someone else to fill'em for you.

May I suggest your outlook change to one like:

"If I work hard and long enough then I hope to....."

That is the problem with the current ankle bitters these days... everything now, bugger tomorrow
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Goodness me.

International trader says: "A right arrogant prat you are!

Why don't you work on getting the job ( and then keeping it)first.
With 18 mths to qualify to APPLY for a job as a human radio operator/ map folder/auto pilot/ ego massager, do you think you will have any other better ( read "other") options ?

What happened to the young lads who just wanted to fly and dreamed of that day when they opened at letter that offered something else other than " thank you for your update or we wish you well in your carreer"?
Money was second, no, I didn't even consider how much I would be paid.

Think you better go into IT. Fantastic pay and they fly your first class......if your good enough!
Love to be a fly on the wall during your interview!"


First, you assume that right now I don't even have a student licence. As it happens, I am employed as a pilot with another operator and I do have the qualifiactions for Qantas SO. I am unable to seperate from my current employer for eighteen months. After that, I would like to work for Qantas. In answer to your question, I HAVE done the work to apply for the job.

Second, what is wrong with learning about general pay and conditions of any potential job? I do not have to leave my current employer and if it was such that QANTAS was going to pay me significantly less than what I earn now I might just stay where I am. IT, by the way, doesn't interest me.

Thanks for the aggro, mate.

Hawkert20 said: "I agree with International trader.

In response to the intial thread, maybe you should include a few words like 'lucky enough' or 'previlaged'. while there is a pilot shortage at the moment, don't go getting to big for your boots mate. There WILL ALWAYS be someone else to fill'em for you.

May I suggest your outlook change to one like:

"If I work hard and long enough then I hope to....."

That is the problem with the current ankle bitters these days... everything now, bugger tomorrow
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Let's see, I started in GA back in about 1986, I finally managed to get a job in aviation in 1998. It's now 2008. Is that enough work for you? Am I patient enough?
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Old 8th Feb 2008, 03:31
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Ignore the proon vultures

Good luck to you Surditas

Unfortunately, there will always be bitter and twisted knockers here who feel all should endure their same apparently unpleasant pilgrimage.
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Thanks, although wading all the way through that could take some time.
No worries, you've got 18 months to read through it.

Do you want the answers to the interview questions as well, save you wading through that?
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Surditas

"Thanks, although wading all the way through that could take some time" Patient enough?.... Well I don't know, but you wish to be spoon fed.

Sounds like you have about the same experience levels (approx) as myself. Therefore you would know that to get anywhere, you cannot rely on others; but instead do the hard work (research) yourself. Someone gave you the precise answer you asked for. They gave you the whole document, yet you wanted the exec. summary.

Further, your comment "I'm looking at SO direct entry in about eighteen months and I'd like to know what I'd be paid" is what makes you sound like a prat. How can you assume you would get in?

I'm not bitter or twisted, nor is it about a set unpleasant pilgrimage .. I just believe in one thing... you only get something once you have earned it. If you can do it quicker than me, it only means you deserve it more.
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Bloody hell!

It's a 379 page document and, yes, I can find exact figures in it, but I'm also sure that someone out there would know the rough figures. As it happens, DirectAnywhere was able to help by pointing me in the right direction. Hardly being spoon fed. If someone asked you directions to the train station would you tell them "it's the next left and then go 500m" or would you throw The Times Atlas of the World and a compass at them?


Oh, and I don't assume I'll get in, either. I may have the qualifications, but that's no guarantee. Equally, though, what's so noble about assuming, as you seem to want me to do, that I won't get in. Why, it must be asked, apply for a job, especially one as demanding as airline pilot, if you are convinced your application will be unsuccessful?

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stuck in a rut???

surditas... how is it that you're still in GA after 20 years??? oh, make sure you tell the FO who interviews you that you couldn't be bothered looking up fleet developments, routes etc.. just like the EBA you were chasing. he'll love it!
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I wouldn't pay too much attention to those that ridicule you 'Surditas'. You have a 50/50 chance of getting in any Co, just like the 50/50 personal opinion of those within here.
Yr biggest downfall here when you first posted yr thread was the way you presented yr enquiries. Those that responded with malice have issues with anybody that's not like them. Those that responded with helpful suggestions are simply nice people, shame their pilots !

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I think this thread highlights very clearly one of the downsides of working for QF. Having to deal with some of the self righteous, arrogant people who have responded on here would be enough to turn anybody off.

It was a very clear and concise question.

The way in which it has been interpreted is only due to the superiority complex of the people reading it.
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machrider and cpt wally,

I'm sorry, I don't follow how that because I thought the original question was worded in an arrogant way, I am therefore malicious, self righteous and arrogant.
Perhaps it's a way of feeling good about yourself - everyone that says something you don't like to hear is a bad, nasty person.

In the English language most things come down to interpretation.

So if I asked you the old "Have you slept with your mother?" question, and you thought I meant something sexual, does that make you a sicko. Not necessarily, because my question was worded in such a way that it was easily going to be misinterpreted. If I had wanted a meaningful answer, I should have asked something more like, "At any time in your life, have you slept in the same bed as your parents?".

Now I'm sure Surditas didn't intent it, but his original question did sound arrogant to most people, judging by the reactions on here. No big deal, don't try to defend a stuff-up, just re-explain yourself more clearly.

And Cpt Wally, getting a job really has little to do with chance. Sure there is a certain bit of "right place, right time" but if anything, you would have more like a 90/10 "chance" of getting a job if they offer you an interview. Until you open your mouth at least. Then it comes down to how the interviewers interpret your answers, so you want to make damn sure you're clear.
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Grrowler,

Thanks, it was not the intent of the question. In fact, you could (and I will) argue that you append my sentence with "...should I be accepted as SO" just as easily as "...when I am accepted as SO." I suppose it depends on one's world view. I would have re-worded it more clearly if someone had have queried the intent, but a couple of people here made up their minds and launched on me, so I was pretty much forced to go defensive.

Senshi,

Umm, never said I was currently in GA, I said I started there and now I'm currently employed by "another operator" who is not Qantas. If I do get an interview, then rest assured that I will have done detailed study on the fleet, routes, company policy, pay rates, aerody, systems etc, etc, etc.




Whilst I don't need to justify my reasons here, I'm going to anyway:

I had heard that in moving to Qantas I'd be looking at a pay cut (same as you hawkert20 and International Trader??). DirectAnywhere's link proves it for me. Should I be so fortunate that Qantas grants me an interview and elects to employ me I need to know mundane things like "can I afford a house for my wife and three children?" I am starting, now, eighteen months to two years from potential Qantas emloyment, to consider where I could afford to live and if I could do the commuter thing if I got a job with the Big Q. Standard questions at job interviews include "do you know what we pay you?" and "can you live on that?". If my answers were "dunno" and "oh, I plan to live in a tent with my family next to 34 at Mascot" I suspect that the Qantas interview would end rather abrubtly. So, I was after quick information so that I could sort out some of the minor details over the next eighteen months of my life ("does the car need a wash?", "what's on TV tonight?" and "will my wife need to work full-time, part-time or not at all?").


I'm sorry to lower the tone and discuss money, but as desirable as the job of pilot is, not too many of us would do it for free as a full-time occupation.

I'd not been to pprune for a while, but DirectAnywhere, Tahir, Capt Wally and Machrider prove that it is still an excellent place for gouge and I thank you.

I'd forgotten, however, that there's always pedants on here who use their high horses to leap headlong at conclusions.
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Yeah Capt Wally and machrider provided fantastic info, should be all you need to know.

I am surprised that someone who has been flying as long as you doesn't have any idea what QF drivers get paid. Obviously it's not "for free".

Go to www.ppjn.com and all the payscales are there for you, plus for most other airlines.

However, if you are trying to determine your lifestyle before committing to QF wouldn't you want to know the "conditions" not just the "terms"?

Anyway, off to ride my high horse.
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