Merged: Qantaslink Traineeship/Cadetship/General Employment
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Sydney
Age: 33
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Merged: Qantaslink Traineeship/Cadetship/General Employment
Active hold is basically passing all stages of recruitment, and being put on a list until training spots at FTA become available.
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Australia
Posts: 101
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From the Qantaslink website
Advanced (Level 2) Program and will include:
Instrument transition training,
Multi-crew Co-ordination training, and
Crew Resource Management training
Instrument transition training,
Multi-crew Co-ordination training, and
Crew Resource Management training
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: NZ
Posts: 75
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Are you getting impatient with QantasLink?
The trainees in QantasLink are already fighting a pretty average reputation among the old fellas for their want it all now attitudes. The other day I heard one trainee kid complaining about how long it's going to take him to get his command. He hadn't even started his endorsement sims.
I couldn't believe it. He hasn't even flown the aeroplane yet and already thinks he's ready for his command.
Just because they've lowered the experience requirements to get into the airline, doesn't mean your 250hrs is any more than 250hrs in the eyes of anyone. You're still under experienced and the airline has absolutely no obligation to you. You owe plenty to them if you want to go from "Cessna 152 downwind touch and go" to flying a dash 8.
So be careful about complaining about the aptitude test costs and the time it takes you to get a response on here.
And for christ sake, if you get in don't post photos of yourself in your uniform all over the internet. It's embarrassing watching you.
I couldn't believe it. He hasn't even flown the aeroplane yet and already thinks he's ready for his command.
Just because they've lowered the experience requirements to get into the airline, doesn't mean your 250hrs is any more than 250hrs in the eyes of anyone. You're still under experienced and the airline has absolutely no obligation to you. You owe plenty to them if you want to go from "Cessna 152 downwind touch and go" to flying a dash 8.
So be careful about complaining about the aptitude test costs and the time it takes you to get a response on here.
And for christ sake, if you get in don't post photos of yourself in your uniform all over the internet. It's embarrassing watching you.
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: In a pipe in the upstairs water closet
Posts: 305
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes
on
2 Posts
Agreed LongLats.
You lot who are getting impatient about all this, simply - we don't want you. If this is the attitude of you new FOs (ie those on here complaining)) I have to put up with on a 11hour day starting at 4am then you might find yourself 'accidently' headbutting the crash axe and swiftly evacuated through the hatch...
As mentioned, the company owes you BUCKLEYS! SWEET F
K ALL. The fact that some of you are complaining about the cost of fees etc, harden up. This is called aviation and has been going on for years (other vocations charge candidates for psych tests too by the way). You are going from a C152 to a Dash 8 - something completely unheard of until recently in Australian Aviation. You'd be paying a whole lot more for a plethora of endorsements as you go through the traditional route of GA. So the cost of a pysch test compared to the few THOUSANDS of $$ seems rather small doesn't it?
I, like ALOT of the Captains and indeed Senior FOs love the Dash and the job we do. We always welcome new comers, but if you ruffle feathers by complaining on your first day, your name will be infamous very quickly and you'll be having a nice 'joy flight' with the Regional Fleet Manager (don't forget to bring the Vaseline...).
My advice, be patient. The world isn't going to end. And if you do make it, Welcome!
Just remember that some guys have been there for over 20 years, so if someone with more experience than you is talking - shut up and listen. You might actually learn something (no...you don't know everything - heck I don't). Oh and bone up on your radio telephonic procedures, some of the new guys with very little experience sound very amateurish and listening to some radio calls are pretty cringe worthy.
Good luck lads and ladettes
Even more so when they announce themselves as an IFR Dash 8 Q400 RPT
Fuel-Off
You lot who are getting impatient about all this, simply - we don't want you. If this is the attitude of you new FOs (ie those on here complaining)) I have to put up with on a 11hour day starting at 4am then you might find yourself 'accidently' headbutting the crash axe and swiftly evacuated through the hatch...
As mentioned, the company owes you BUCKLEYS! SWEET F
K ALL. The fact that some of you are complaining about the cost of fees etc, harden up. This is called aviation and has been going on for years (other vocations charge candidates for psych tests too by the way). You are going from a C152 to a Dash 8 - something completely unheard of until recently in Australian Aviation. You'd be paying a whole lot more for a plethora of endorsements as you go through the traditional route of GA. So the cost of a pysch test compared to the few THOUSANDS of $$ seems rather small doesn't it? I, like ALOT of the Captains and indeed Senior FOs love the Dash and the job we do. We always welcome new comers, but if you ruffle feathers by complaining on your first day, your name will be infamous very quickly and you'll be having a nice 'joy flight' with the Regional Fleet Manager (don't forget to bring the Vaseline...).
My advice, be patient. The world isn't going to end. And if you do make it, Welcome!
Just remember that some guys have been there for over 20 years, so if someone with more experience than you is talking - shut up and listen. You might actually learn something (no...you don't know everything - heck I don't). Oh and bone up on your radio telephonic procedures, some of the new guys with very little experience sound very amateurish and listening to some radio calls are pretty cringe worthy.Good luck lads and ladettes
Worse when you hear "QLink 489D turns finals, full stop"
Fuel-Off
Last edited by Fuel-Off; 8th Aug 2013 at 10:13.
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Sydney
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hilarous.. i've seen far too many new pilots at link posting the photos of their uniforms and stating how hard they have worked to get it. It's their first job out of flying school and they think they earned their stripes.. not paid for it. ****s me to tears. So many cadets think the world owes them a favour. Sick of it at link.
Last edited by mtrench; 8th Aug 2013 at 10:34.
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Sydney
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
hahaha IFR dash 8 RPT.. some senior captains say that too mind you, but still i get your rift.. my biggest is the absolute lack of common sense.. they know their books back to front but cannot make a common sense decision....................................................
Whenever they winge, just mention how long it took you to get your command, not that they'd bothered to ask before having a cry about it mind you! 
Nothing like 4 sectors with the RFM to get a much needed reality check.
Seniority list is getting pretty long these days, and the last few commands didn't get far down the list at all. With the upcoming changes to the command requirements, the newbies better get used to that side of the Dash!
It's not a bad gig though. Get paid on time, planes are good, mostly great crew. There's far worse places you could be based, flying far worse planes for far worse people!
Like others have said, relax, you might just learn something!
Nothing like 4 sectors with the RFM to get a much needed reality check.
Seniority list is getting pretty long these days, and the last few commands didn't get far down the list at all. With the upcoming changes to the command requirements, the newbies better get used to that side of the Dash!
It's not a bad gig though. Get paid on time, planes are good, mostly great crew. There's far worse places you could be based, flying far worse planes for far worse people!
Like others have said, relax, you might just learn something!
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Australia
Posts: 148
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just out of curiosity, do direct entry FO's with a couple 100 multi and 1000+ hours command slot in below a 250 hour cadet waiting for a command if the cadet joined prior to them?
Everyone is on the one list, one each for EAA and SSA that is. The list is compiled based on DOJ. Who gets the command first though is based on who gets the hours first. If you get the hours first, and no one above you meets the requirements, then you get the spot.
Excluding "management discretion" of course.
But down the track when the cadet/trainee gets their command, they will retain their place on the seniority list above you.
What is starting to happen now is those cadet/trainees who didn't meet the requirements are getting commands and the list is starting to look a bit more balanced.
Very few commands are going to people who have been in the company 12-18 months anymore. I'd imagine that if you joined today, you'll be in for a 2-3 year wait.
Excluding "management discretion" of course.
But down the track when the cadet/trainee gets their command, they will retain their place on the seniority list above you.
What is starting to happen now is those cadet/trainees who didn't meet the requirements are getting commands and the list is starting to look a bit more balanced.
Very few commands are going to people who have been in the company 12-18 months anymore. I'd imagine that if you joined today, you'll be in for a 2-3 year wait.
Last edited by Going Nowhere; 8th Aug 2013 at 23:47.
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Melbourne
Age: 53
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Only need to look on Instagram or other social media to see a few of the young "top guns" parading around in there uniform and sharing every little detail about what the qlink crew hotel was serving for breakfast
In saying that, the majority of new pilots coming through that I have flown with do not fit this bill it's just a few giving them a bad name
In saying that, the majority of new pilots coming through that I have flown with do not fit this bill it's just a few giving them a bad name
Not exactly sure, but have heard they could be changing shortly.
Have heard it may be combination of hours/time on type as opposed to 2000hrs Aeronautical Exp.
Sounds like it's designed to acknowledge the fact that while cadets/trainees may have low total time, 2000hrs in the right seat counts equally or more than 2000hrs in the BK/AF/JT circuit.
Shouldn't affect too many newbies though, by the time your number is up, you'll have the hours.
Have heard it may be combination of hours/time on type as opposed to 2000hrs Aeronautical Exp.
Sounds like it's designed to acknowledge the fact that while cadets/trainees may have low total time, 2000hrs in the right seat counts equally or more than 2000hrs in the BK/AF/JT circuit.
Shouldn't affect too many newbies though, by the time your number is up, you'll have the hours.
Last edited by Going Nowhere; 9th Aug 2013 at 05:20.
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 59
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm seeing a lot of whinging on this thread full stop.
Anyway, FAM currently states:
In order be eligible for an award of a successful bid for initial command training on Company aircraft, a pilot must meet the following requirements:
Meet all regulatory requirements including holding an Australian ATPL,
Accrued a minimum of 2000 hours total aeronautical experience, and;
Accrued 700 hours as a First Officer on Company aircraft and;
Have a minimum of 1 year service with the Company since initial employment.
Meet all regulatory requirements including holding an Australian ATPL,
Accrued a minimum of 2000 hours total aeronautical experience, and;
Accrued 700 hours as a First Officer on Company aircraft and;
Have a minimum of 1 year service with the Company since initial employment.
NowThatsFunny.
Last edited by NowThatsFunny; 9th Aug 2013 at 11:48.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Living next door to Alan
Posts: 1,521
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ipahlot,
Yes, you slot in in order of date of joining. That's how seniority works. When you join the company, seniority is determined in order of previous overall experience. In your case you would get a higher number than the guy with next to no experience quoted in your example.
When the time comes for promotion, if you reach the full company requirements ahead of someone else senior to you (with less than company experience requirements), and a promotion comes up - you will most likely get it.
Once the person senior to you (who didn't previously qualify) meets the same requirements, they may be eligible for bypass pay. That's the company's problem.
It's been a while since I worked at the Missing Link, but that's how it was. Perhaps bypass pay was given away in the EBA?
Yes, you slot in in order of date of joining. That's how seniority works. When you join the company, seniority is determined in order of previous overall experience. In your case you would get a higher number than the guy with next to no experience quoted in your example.
When the time comes for promotion, if you reach the full company requirements ahead of someone else senior to you (with less than company experience requirements), and a promotion comes up - you will most likely get it.
Once the person senior to you (who didn't previously qualify) meets the same requirements, they may be eligible for bypass pay. That's the company's problem.
It's been a while since I worked at the Missing Link, but that's how it was. Perhaps bypass pay was given away in the EBA?
Last edited by Hugh Jarse; 15th Aug 2013 at 11:04.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Australia
Posts: 889
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
A little mixed up there.
Assuming adequately competent pilots, the most senior & qualified FO will be offered the upgrade vacancy. Yes, there might be a more senior but unqualified FO who will not get it. This is irrelevant. When that unqualified FO becomes qualified, start reading again from the beginning of this paragraph.
Bypass pay only applies if the most senior & qualified FO does not get the vacancy, for a reason that is subsequently determined (by the lawyers) to be inadequate. E.g. because a manager said he/she was incompetent, but actually the written records did not substantiate that judgement.
I wouldn't say it's a good system, but lots of experienced people say it's better than the alternative. A little like democracy, perhaps?
Assuming adequately competent pilots, the most senior & qualified FO will be offered the upgrade vacancy. Yes, there might be a more senior but unqualified FO who will not get it. This is irrelevant. When that unqualified FO becomes qualified, start reading again from the beginning of this paragraph.
Bypass pay only applies if the most senior & qualified FO does not get the vacancy, for a reason that is subsequently determined (by the lawyers) to be inadequate. E.g. because a manager said he/she was incompetent, but actually the written records did not substantiate that judgement.
I wouldn't say it's a good system, but lots of experienced people say it's better than the alternative. A little like democracy, perhaps?