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What changes are these? These have been current since June 2010. According to the 'current' CARs on comlaw it states:
5.172 Aeronautical experience: minimum requirements
(1) For the purposes of paragraph 5.165 (1) (f), a person’s aeronautical experience must consist of at least 1,500 hours of flight time that includes 750 hours as pilot of a registered aeroplane, or a recognised aeroplane.
(2) The 750 hours must include:
(a) any of the following:
(i) at least 250 hours of flight time as pilot in command;
(ii) at least 500 hours of flight time as pilot acting in command under supervision;
(iii) at least 250 hours of flight time, consisting of at least 70 hours of flight time as pilot in command and the balance as pilot acting in command under supervision; and
(b) at least 200 hours of cross‑country flight time; and
(c) at least 75 hours of instrument flight time; and
(d) at least 100 hours of flight time at night as pilot in command or as co‑pilot.
Not sure where this change in night time is? I'm 3 hrs short of my 100 so if you know of some new change please do tell.
What changes are these? These have been current since June 2010. According to the 'current' CARs on comlaw it states:
5.172 Aeronautical experience: minimum requirements
(1) For the purposes of paragraph 5.165 (1) (f), a person’s aeronautical experience must consist of at least 1,500 hours of flight time that includes 750 hours as pilot of a registered aeroplane, or a recognised aeroplane.
(2) The 750 hours must include:
(a) any of the following:
(i) at least 250 hours of flight time as pilot in command;
(ii) at least 500 hours of flight time as pilot acting in command under supervision;
(iii) at least 250 hours of flight time, consisting of at least 70 hours of flight time as pilot in command and the balance as pilot acting in command under supervision; and
(b) at least 200 hours of cross‑country flight time; and
(c) at least 75 hours of instrument flight time; and
(d) at least 100 hours of flight time at night as pilot in command or as co‑pilot.
Not sure where this change in night time is? I'm 3 hrs short of my 100 so if you know of some new change please do tell.
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Current Qlink recruitment info
Hey people,
Just to answer a few q's about the current recruitment situation as this forum was a massive help when I was going through the ropes..
Current course started 18/4
Ten on course
3/10 are Qlink trainees
3/10 are sunstate
9/10 are sustaining fleet
Avg hours: 2500 total
Psych: SHL Verbal/Numerical/Personality
Sim: Q400 ML 16 ILS/TWIN LOC and general handling
Interview: Technical and behavioral - know your IFR theory
They are still conducting interviews as of this week.
Hope this helps someone
Just to answer a few q's about the current recruitment situation as this forum was a massive help when I was going through the ropes..
Current course started 18/4
Ten on course
3/10 are Qlink trainees
3/10 are sunstate
9/10 are sustaining fleet
Avg hours: 2500 total
Psych: SHL Verbal/Numerical/Personality
Sim: Q400 ML 16 ILS/TWIN LOC and general handling
Interview: Technical and behavioral - know your IFR theory
They are still conducting interviews as of this week.
Hope this helps someone
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Anyone have any recent info on ground courses? Is there much of a backlog of guys in the hold file?
I know of a fair few guys getting the rejection letter lately, some of them bizarrely after reference checks were carried out.
I know of a fair few guys getting the rejection letter lately, some of them bizarrely after reference checks were carried out.
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I know of a fair few guys getting the rejection letter lately, some of them bizarrely after reference checks were carried out.
If Qlink like you at stage 3 and do a reference check, your referees are going to have some pretty "in depth" questions thrown at them. So choose your referees well. Let them know that they are going to be one of your referees and that Qlink will be asking some pretty thorough questions regarding yourself.
Don't pick a mate who may well say something like "Yeah, Davo is a good bloke, but gets a bit punchy on the piss."
Sounds like simple advice but I heard some amazing stories from referees when I was interviewing (back in my I.T. days). I've also been contacted by employers regarding so-and-so and to my comlete suprise I've been his referee.
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Wow the T's & C's of the traineeship program are pretty bad....
$2000 upfront payment, followed by salary sacrifice of the remaining $16,000 over 3 years?
It used to just be a 3 year bond
$2000 upfront payment, followed by salary sacrifice of the remaining $16,000 over 3 years?
It used to just be a 3 year bond
Aviationboy, you will find that for the last 12 months it was 18,000 pay all upfront. You may or may not get a Job.
Supply and demand for you, obviously not getting enough monkeys, now offer another peanut (well delay the giving back of said peanut).
Supply and demand for you, obviously not getting enough monkeys, now offer another peanut (well delay the giving back of said peanut).
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It was actually $18K but you get 75% back over 3 years.
Now it's all at the expense of the applicant (by salary sacrifice) so the new deal, while appearing better on the surface is actually costing more then before.
Now it's all at the expense of the applicant (by salary sacrifice) so the new deal, while appearing better on the surface is actually costing more then before.
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Hours for Traineeship and Direct Entry
Hi all,
I'm a newbie and wannabe working towards CPL part time with a view to getting into QLink. I've read the previous posts in this thread, but just wanted to get an update on hours required and time to progress to Captain on the Dash 8. After my MECIR and a few hours of development, I don't expect to have any more than 500 total time, with about 100 ME. Hope to do my ATPL asap after CPL.
* The direct entry states min 700 hours, however the talk is more like 1500 hours for direct entry, is this right?
* The traineeship is 100hrs min PIC, but, as the selection is still merit based following the course completion, should I expect that trainees with higher hours and better ratings will be ahead of the pack? How many hours doa the successful trainees have?
* Movement from FO to Cpt is noted on the bfound as 3-4 years. However, info I have got at this stage suggests more like 5-6 years - is this right??? I appreciate that movement is dependent on the industry and demand/recruitment of pilots jumping from regionals to jets.
* The website also says that they place pilots at their base of choice where a vacancy exists, but what realistic chance is there of getting recruited to Melbourne as a recruit? As well as being disadvantaged because I'm 43, I'm a bit tied to Melbourne with wife and kids. If work was accepted interstate, how quick can a transfer back to Melb take place. Presumably getting command would mean going interstate again for a vacancy??? (Don't get me wrong, if I scored a gig as a FO, I'd quit my job and relcoate or commute to whereever I'm offered whereever it was.)
I've read all the kerfuffle about the traineeships and cadetships and know there is significant controversy. I'm not really sure whether doing the traineeship will actually give me an advantage to get into QLink.
If it does, then I'll spend the money and do it. I presume the multi-crew training that is delivered to trainees gets delivered direct entry pilots anyway.
And if I don't make it, at least I'll have the satisfication that tried, albeit too late in life.
Cheers,
Hoursbuilding
I'm a newbie and wannabe working towards CPL part time with a view to getting into QLink. I've read the previous posts in this thread, but just wanted to get an update on hours required and time to progress to Captain on the Dash 8. After my MECIR and a few hours of development, I don't expect to have any more than 500 total time, with about 100 ME. Hope to do my ATPL asap after CPL.
* The direct entry states min 700 hours, however the talk is more like 1500 hours for direct entry, is this right?
* The traineeship is 100hrs min PIC, but, as the selection is still merit based following the course completion, should I expect that trainees with higher hours and better ratings will be ahead of the pack? How many hours doa the successful trainees have?
* Movement from FO to Cpt is noted on the bfound as 3-4 years. However, info I have got at this stage suggests more like 5-6 years - is this right??? I appreciate that movement is dependent on the industry and demand/recruitment of pilots jumping from regionals to jets.
* The website also says that they place pilots at their base of choice where a vacancy exists, but what realistic chance is there of getting recruited to Melbourne as a recruit? As well as being disadvantaged because I'm 43, I'm a bit tied to Melbourne with wife and kids. If work was accepted interstate, how quick can a transfer back to Melb take place. Presumably getting command would mean going interstate again for a vacancy??? (Don't get me wrong, if I scored a gig as a FO, I'd quit my job and relcoate or commute to whereever I'm offered whereever it was.)
I've read all the kerfuffle about the traineeships and cadetships and know there is significant controversy. I'm not really sure whether doing the traineeship will actually give me an advantage to get into QLink.
If it does, then I'll spend the money and do it. I presume the multi-crew training that is delivered to trainees gets delivered direct entry pilots anyway.
And if I don't make it, at least I'll have the satisfication that tried, albeit too late in life.
Cheers,
Hoursbuilding
Hourbuilding,
A Melbourne basing is pretty much out of the question straight up. It would take several years to get there as it is a stable base with a long waiting list for guys who want to get back there. The main thing is you want to get a base which is on the Eastern AOC (Sydney, Mildura, Perth now) so that you are able to transfer to Melbourne eventually. If you are based in Queensland (Brisbane or Cairns) you will be on the Sunstate AOC and cannot transfer down South. You will effectively need to resign and take up employment on the Eastern AOC at the bottom of the seniority list. Many people have done it though and some have finally made it to Melbourne, but it took a few years.
In terms of command, well if you join the company with bugger all hours, then don't expect to have a command in 3 years. It probably will take 5 or 6 years. The company requirement is ATPL, 2000 hrs Total Aeronautical Experience and 700 hrs on type. Even with the ICUS program this will take a while to achieve, as many guys who joined with 250hrs are finding out.
Hope this helps
A Melbourne basing is pretty much out of the question straight up. It would take several years to get there as it is a stable base with a long waiting list for guys who want to get back there. The main thing is you want to get a base which is on the Eastern AOC (Sydney, Mildura, Perth now) so that you are able to transfer to Melbourne eventually. If you are based in Queensland (Brisbane or Cairns) you will be on the Sunstate AOC and cannot transfer down South. You will effectively need to resign and take up employment on the Eastern AOC at the bottom of the seniority list. Many people have done it though and some have finally made it to Melbourne, but it took a few years.
In terms of command, well if you join the company with bugger all hours, then don't expect to have a command in 3 years. It probably will take 5 or 6 years. The company requirement is ATPL, 2000 hrs Total Aeronautical Experience and 700 hrs on type. Even with the ICUS program this will take a while to achieve, as many guys who joined with 250hrs are finding out.
Hope this helps
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Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I expected that recruitment to Melbourne would be unlikely. Just have to pack up the wife and kids and move for a while. I don;t expect that commuting is going to be effective either and presume that I would need to live within 1 hour of the base.
I'll apply as soon as a can, but would like to have at least DE mins of 700 before I apply, even as a trainee. Happy to wait 5-6 years for command.
What are the rosters like? How many days on/off as a rule?
Was wondering if I could commute home when I'm not working and relcoate myself temporarily in Sydney or Mildura. (I've read that Mildura is pretty stable)
I'll apply as soon as a can, but would like to have at least DE mins of 700 before I apply, even as a trainee. Happy to wait 5-6 years for command.
What are the rosters like? How many days on/off as a rule?
Was wondering if I could commute home when I'm not working and relcoate myself temporarily in Sydney or Mildura. (I've read that Mildura is pretty stable)
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Hourbuilding
As Maverick has said, it's highly unlikely you'll get recruited into Melbourne.
Commuting is possible from Sydney or Mildura, but unless you've got private finance, it's only realistic from Mildura. It cost me around 8k p.a. to commute out of there; the last bloke who got his Melbourne basing said it cost him around 11k p.a. to commute.
This commuting cost is mainly rent and living expenses in Mildura plus the cost of getting home (staff travel) around 3 times per month. (Assuming you'd live in the pilot house. Rent there was somewhere around $80.00 per week per person last I heard)
The good thing about Mildura is that it's relatively easy (for an FO) to be based there and it's a great base!
Time to command, pretty much as Maverick says. Also depends on your base and fleet. Quickest times to command are in Sydney atm. If you're an FO in Melbourne the time is longer unless you want to relocate to Sydney.
Hope this helps.
DIVOSH!
Commuting is possible from Sydney or Mildura, but unless you've got private finance, it's only realistic from Mildura. It cost me around 8k p.a. to commute out of there; the last bloke who got his Melbourne basing said it cost him around 11k p.a. to commute.
This commuting cost is mainly rent and living expenses in Mildura plus the cost of getting home (staff travel) around 3 times per month. (Assuming you'd live in the pilot house. Rent there was somewhere around $80.00 per week per person last I heard)
The good thing about Mildura is that it's relatively easy (for an FO) to be based there and it's a great base!
Time to command, pretty much as Maverick says. Also depends on your base and fleet. Quickest times to command are in Sydney atm. If you're an FO in Melbourne the time is longer unless you want to relocate to Sydney.
Hope this helps.
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Oh yes.
Rosters also depend on fleet/base. Right now the Sydney guys are getting flogged. In Melbourne on the classic fleet we've got it pretty cruisy. In Cairns as an FO on the classic you're bored to death!
New Eastern EBA is now in line with the Sunstate EBA of: 8 or 9 days off per roster. Typical shift is a 5-and-3 overnight. There are some variations of this (e.g. Sydney also has day shifts and Mildura only has overnight shifts on the weekends).
DIVOSH!
Rosters also depend on fleet/base. Right now the Sydney guys are getting flogged. In Melbourne on the classic fleet we've got it pretty cruisy. In Cairns as an FO on the classic you're bored to death!
New Eastern EBA is now in line with the Sunstate EBA of: 8 or 9 days off per roster. Typical shift is a 5-and-3 overnight. There are some variations of this (e.g. Sydney also has day shifts and Mildura only has overnight shifts on the weekends).
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Be aware that you will not have the use of staff travel for six months.
I took my first command in Cairns after having been an F/O for six years and commuted for 18 months.The novelty wears off rapidly, getting home about three times a month with growing children. There were a couple of us doing this and we were all worse off financially with the commute and accommodation, although the benefit of command hours was obviously the reason and a compensation.
Mildura could be a good option for you although I am Brisbane based and not too sure of the vacancies and movement. Good luck with following your dream, or addiction as your wife may call it.
I took my first command in Cairns after having been an F/O for six years and commuted for 18 months.The novelty wears off rapidly, getting home about three times a month with growing children. There were a couple of us doing this and we were all worse off financially with the commute and accommodation, although the benefit of command hours was obviously the reason and a compensation.
Mildura could be a good option for you although I am Brisbane based and not too sure of the vacancies and movement. Good luck with following your dream, or addiction as your wife may call it.
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minimum requirements
Hourbuilding,
The minimum requirements are flexible on a supply and demand basis. One lucky chap a few years ago had his twin endorsement provided by the company on a Kingair. Right place, right time and a good attitude all help.
You may enjoy this soundtrack. I know I still do. Cheers
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The minimum requirements are flexible on a supply and demand basis. One lucky chap a few years ago had his twin endorsement provided by the company on a Kingair. Right place, right time and a good attitude all help.
You may enjoy this soundtrack. I know I still do. Cheers