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Old 24th Sep 2011, 05:03
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"What does the Trainee Program Cost? The QantasLink Trainee Program will cost $18000 ex GST.


Who pays for the cost of the Trainee Program?

QantasLink will pay $16,000 toward the upfront costs of the Trainee Program. Trainee Program participants will make an upfront contribution of $2,000 (directly to the training provider) and will need to pay for their own meals and transport during the Trainee Program."
(QantasLink Recruitment: Attention)


Only certain approved courses can be completed GST free...pretty sure this one wouldn't be approved as one. Therefore $18,000 incl GST (10%) is $19,800 or, with the breakdowns listed above, $17,600 + $2,200 (I assume QLink aren't going to cover the GST for the trainee's contribution...).
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Old 25th Sep 2011, 00:06
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Word on the street is no, it's not a good idea. During the sim ride they know you haven't flown anything similar if your applying for a traineeship. Might be a different story if you DE. I'm told they look for progression in learning. That is you start out a bit ordinary and by the end you may be able to fly the thing ok.

If you do time in a sim first your not likely to show progression in learning. Your graph will be a flat line instead of a nice climbing one. Folks on the inside may be able to provide some more info.


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Old 3rd Oct 2011, 08:46
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Hey mraz23,
You forgot to post this bit from the website "QantasLink will pay $16,000 toward the upfront costs of the Trainee Program...... If you are subsequently employed by QantasLink you will be required repay the costs of the Trainee Program over a three year period through deductions from your salary."

But this still doesn't answer the question of whether the trainee only pays $2200 upfront or whether they're being sneaky with their wording so that you don't realise you have to cough up $3800 until its more or less too late..

Anyone recently been through the process???
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Old 27th Oct 2011, 10:11
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what do q400 fo's get paid at the moment anyway?
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 11:19
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I know of someone who got in with around 600
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Old 6th Dec 2011, 00:43
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Still Recruting?

Does anybody know if the traineeship is still running? Are they planning on running any traineeship or DE courses in 2012? I heard that recruiting may be slowing or even being stopped after Jan 2012?
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Old 6th Dec 2011, 01:12
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I heard that recruiting may be slowing or even being stopped after Jan 2012?
I doubt it will be stopping any time soon, there was a large influx just recently due to the starting of WA ops, however all those spots should be filled by now. As pilots move on (mostly to Virgin or Cathay) the need to replace them well keep recruitment ticking along. I doubt they would take a large number of trainees in the near future, however they do seem to trickle feed through the system, particularly as they can pull guys out of GA with 2000hrs and some with turbine time.
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Old 13th Dec 2011, 22:55
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Once Upon a Time, in an industry far far away, candidates for airline positions were only required to contribute their time and talent. That time and talent were usually very hard won, so it was only reasonable to expect a process based on professionalism.

Today, airline interviews (especially with the Rat or their subs') have resulted in some Beancounter's beachside Condo', for which every candidate has had a hand in funding!

Don't be surprised if the number of interviewees greatly out numbered the positions available. That my friend is probably why you have been left confused. That my friend is exactly what they think of you.

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Old 14th Dec 2011, 00:26
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I can assure you the pass rate is not high. On a recent occasion 12 out of 12 hopefuls failed. On other occasions most of those screened were successful. Apparently, over the last few months the overall pass rate has been a bit under 50%. As to whether or not it's the company or the applicants responsible, I can't answer that one. Good luck everyone.
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 02:05
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Yeah the success rate has been very low, I'm assuming because they just don't need that many guys so the competition is higher.

They must have interviewed close to 200 this year (roughly 4 per week) and as far as I'm aware there were only 3-4 ground courses. So roughly 30 people, which is about a 15% take up rate. Obviously no shortage of candidates.
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 07:25
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My point exactly Fonz'. 200 interviews, testings, appearance fees (paid to the company not the applicants), for 30 positions!?

Nice little earner.
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 10:02
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Before this turns into a conspiracy theory I can guarantee people out there that Qlink cannot get enough people in through the door atm.

I'm assuming because they just don't need that many guys so the competition is higher.
This is completely untrue!

AFAIK, the only base in the network where there are excess crew is Cairns where we have too many Q300 FO's. EVERY other base has shortfalls in either Captains or FO's either on the Q300 or Q400. Some bases have multiple crew shortfalls.

We are still losing either Captains or high-time FO's to other carriers. We are expanding and have additional aircraft arriving in 2012 which will need to be crewed.

Some of you guys are so quick to look for "Applicant gouging" that you'll take any bait and run with it.

This:

Apparently, over the last few months the overall pass rate has been a bit under 50%
And this:

They must have interviewed close to 200 this year (roughly 4 per week) and as far as I'm aware there were only 3-4 ground courses. So roughly 30 people, which is about a 15% take up rate.
Gets turned into this:

200 interviews, testings, appearance fees (paid to the company not the applicants), for 30 positions!?
So who do we believe? OFS who says just under 50%, or Fonz who says 15%? We'll go with the Fonz as it's leading to the conspiracy that Qlink has nothing else better to do than find ways of charging potential applicants some money.

Putting a candidate through a complete interview process takes a lot of time and money. Back in the day, airlines like Qlink and Rex probably only ran one or maybe two ground schools (around 6-8 people in each) per year. That's a far cry from today when (according to the rumours here ) Qlink have run 200 interviews in the past 12 months. If the success rate is so low it stands to reason that the company will want to minimise the cost of putting an applicant through the entire process. The simplest way to do that is to charge the applicant. I'm not saying I agree with this, but I can see their point of view.

For Pilotchute I'm sorry you didn't get in and it cost you money to find that out. It's been my experience that applicants who didn't make it failed for a reason. In late 2007 I went for a Rex interview and thought I'd nailed it. Four days later I got a reject email (cost me almost $1000.00). In 2008 I went for a Qlink interview and thought I'd messed it up and here I am.

Excuse my ingnorance but wouldn't the airline only get you in if they thought you had a little better than a slim chance of making it?
From a recruiters point of view, it can be hard to make that kind of assessment when the airline only has your application to work with. Even your aptitude tests don't guarantee that you'll do well in your sim assessment or even do well in your interview.

I'm not in Qlink recruiting but I know a couple of people who've conducted the interviews and their stories to me confirm what I've experienced in the past when I was interviewing I.T. candidates.

People f*ck up interviews.

IME, the people who do the worst at interviews are the ones who are cocky, cannot find any faults in themselves, have problems with authority, and don't prepare for the interview process.

By prepare I include this guy:

http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...ml#post6506433

People who (allegedly) got through everything but got rejected after their referees were contacted.

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Old 14th Dec 2011, 10:28
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Spoke with someone who was doing the sim evaluations a few weeks ago. They said they were putting 4 hopefuls into the sim each week (mainly on Wednesdays) and the average success rate year to date was 25-50%.

This was only for the Traineeship mind you.
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 10:57
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Pilotchute- take it as a positive that you didnt get in mate. Im sure a job with a better operator is just around the corner! I didnt get in with Rex in 2008 and would not be where i am today if the result had of been the opposite!
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 13:01
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So who do we believe? OFS who says just under 50%, or Fonz who says 15%? We'll go with the Fonz as it's leading to the conspiracy that Qlink has nothing else better to do than find ways of charging potential applicants some money.
Di Vosh

I think you've misunderstood my post for a Qlink bashing. Which it is not. I in no way whatsoever implied that recruiting is some kind of money making scheme. I happen to disagree with that as I know it's not a cheap exercise and costs more than the 190 odd dollars the candidates pay.

I was simply passing on my thoughts as to why so many people were missing out.

I believe I am correct when I say that there have been interviews pretty much every week this year, and with 3-4 guys per week that gets the number somewhere between 150-200.
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 22:09
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Still a few getting through.. I know someone that just got a letter to say congrats, you are on active hold. (traineeship). Aparently no start date as courses are yet to be announced for next year.
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Old 15th Dec 2011, 09:16
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Di Vosh is on the mark, per usual. QLink are definitely short in many areas. "Shortage of suitable applicants" is the reason I've heard... SYD F/O's WANTED!
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Old 15th Dec 2011, 21:06
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On the other hand I thought afterwards that being bonded for 5 years could have held me back for something better down the track.
Could be where you lost it. It costs a lot of money to train a pilot, and they want a return on their investment. Yes you are bonded and they will get some of the cash back if you leave early, but they wont get back the extra time now needed to replace you, nor will they get to use the experience that you gain while flying for them.
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 00:26
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As a past member of said company's interview panel I can attest to the fact that you can sum up in the first ten minutes whether an applicant will get the nod or not and even tho the sim sessions were a handful for some, these people went on to gain commands and are some of the best in the company.

Of all the people that 'got the nod' probably less than 10% turned out to be 'problem children', of which some are still with the company today.

The current interview process is far more complicated and involved than it once was, and not all the panel members are necessarily pilots or even flight operations people. That's not to say that they're not good at what they do but certain individuals have been known to display a very high expectation.

My two bobs worth
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 22:38
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Fonz

My ire wasn't directed at your post; rather than at Krusty (who's posts I normally enjoy reading) who used your quote instead of OFS to further his conspiracy theory that

Today, airline interviews (especially with the Rat or their subs') have resulted in some Beancounter's beachside Condo
Also to counter the other misconception that Qlink don't need any more pilots.

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