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Still Recruting?
Does anybody know if the traineeship is still running? Are they planning on running any traineeship or DE courses in 2012? I heard that recruiting may be slowing or even being stopped after Jan 2012?
I heard that recruiting may be slowing or even being stopped after Jan 2012?
Once Upon a Time, in an industry far far away, candidates for airline positions were only required to contribute their time and talent. That time and talent were usually very hard won, so it was only reasonable to expect a process based on professionalism.
Today, airline interviews (especially with the Rat or their subs') have resulted in some Beancounter's beachside Condo', for which every candidate has had a hand in funding!
Don't be surprised if the number of interviewees greatly out numbered the positions available. That my friend is probably why you have been left confused. That my friend is exactly what they think of you.
Today, airline interviews (especially with the Rat or their subs') have resulted in some Beancounter's beachside Condo', for which every candidate has had a hand in funding!
Don't be surprised if the number of interviewees greatly out numbered the positions available. That my friend is probably why you have been left confused. That my friend is exactly what they think of you.
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I can assure you the pass rate is not high. On a recent occasion 12 out of 12 hopefuls failed. On other occasions most of those screened were successful. Apparently, over the last few months the overall pass rate has been a bit under 50%. As to whether or not it's the company or the applicants responsible, I can't answer that one. Good luck everyone.
Yeah the success rate has been very low, I'm assuming because they just don't need that many guys so the competition is higher.
They must have interviewed close to 200 this year (roughly 4 per week) and as far as I'm aware there were only 3-4 ground courses. So roughly 30 people, which is about a 15% take up rate. Obviously no shortage of candidates.
They must have interviewed close to 200 this year (roughly 4 per week) and as far as I'm aware there were only 3-4 ground courses. So roughly 30 people, which is about a 15% take up rate. Obviously no shortage of candidates.
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Before this turns into a conspiracy theory I can guarantee people out there that Qlink cannot get enough people in through the door atm.
This is completely untrue!
AFAIK, the only base in the network where there are excess crew is Cairns where we have too many Q300 FO's. EVERY other base has shortfalls in either Captains or FO's either on the Q300 or Q400. Some bases have multiple crew shortfalls.
We are still losing either Captains or high-time FO's to other carriers. We are expanding and have additional aircraft arriving in 2012 which will need to be crewed.
Some of you guys are so quick to look for "Applicant gouging" that you'll take any bait and run with it.
This:
And this:
Gets turned into this:
So who do we believe? OFS who says just under 50%, or Fonz who says 15%? We'll go with the Fonz as it's leading to the conspiracy that Qlink has nothing else better to do than find ways of charging potential applicants some money.
Putting a candidate through a complete interview process takes a lot of time and money. Back in the day, airlines like Qlink and Rex probably only ran one or maybe two ground schools (around 6-8 people in each) per year. That's a far cry from today when (according to the rumours here
) Qlink have run 200 interviews in the past 12 months. If the success rate is so low it stands to reason that the company will want to minimise the cost of putting an applicant through the entire process. The simplest way to do that is to charge the applicant. I'm not saying I agree with this, but I can see their point of view.
For Pilotchute I'm sorry you didn't get in and it cost you money to find that out. It's been my experience that applicants who didn't make it failed for a reason. In late 2007 I went for a Rex interview and thought I'd nailed it. Four days later I got a reject email (cost me almost $1000.00). In 2008 I went for a Qlink interview and thought I'd messed it up and here I am.
From a recruiters point of view, it can be hard to make that kind of assessment when the airline only has your application to work with. Even your aptitude tests don't guarantee that you'll do well in your sim assessment or even do well in your interview.
I'm not in Qlink recruiting but I know a couple of people who've conducted the interviews and their stories to me confirm what I've experienced in the past when I was interviewing I.T. candidates.
People f*ck up interviews.
IME, the people who do the worst at interviews are the ones who are cocky, cannot find any faults in themselves, have problems with authority, and don't prepare for the interview process.
By prepare I include this guy:
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...ml#post6506433
People who (allegedly) got through everything but got rejected after their referees were contacted.
DIVOSH!
I'm assuming because they just don't need that many guys so the competition is higher.
AFAIK, the only base in the network where there are excess crew is Cairns where we have too many Q300 FO's. EVERY other base has shortfalls in either Captains or FO's either on the Q300 or Q400. Some bases have multiple crew shortfalls.
We are still losing either Captains or high-time FO's to other carriers. We are expanding and have additional aircraft arriving in 2012 which will need to be crewed.
Some of you guys are so quick to look for "Applicant gouging" that you'll take any bait and run with it.
This:
Apparently, over the last few months the overall pass rate has been a bit under 50%
They must have interviewed close to 200 this year (roughly 4 per week) and as far as I'm aware there were only 3-4 ground courses. So roughly 30 people, which is about a 15% take up rate.
200 interviews, testings, appearance fees (paid to the company not the applicants), for 30 positions!?
Putting a candidate through a complete interview process takes a lot of time and money. Back in the day, airlines like Qlink and Rex probably only ran one or maybe two ground schools (around 6-8 people in each) per year. That's a far cry from today when (according to the rumours here
) Qlink have run 200 interviews in the past 12 months. If the success rate is so low it stands to reason that the company will want to minimise the cost of putting an applicant through the entire process. The simplest way to do that is to charge the applicant. I'm not saying I agree with this, but I can see their point of view.For Pilotchute I'm sorry you didn't get in and it cost you money to find that out. It's been my experience that applicants who didn't make it failed for a reason. In late 2007 I went for a Rex interview and thought I'd nailed it. Four days later I got a reject email (cost me almost $1000.00). In 2008 I went for a Qlink interview and thought I'd messed it up and here I am.
Excuse my ingnorance but wouldn't the airline only get you in if they thought you had a little better than a slim chance of making it?
I'm not in Qlink recruiting but I know a couple of people who've conducted the interviews and their stories to me confirm what I've experienced in the past when I was interviewing I.T. candidates.
People f*ck up interviews.
IME, the people who do the worst at interviews are the ones who are cocky, cannot find any faults in themselves, have problems with authority, and don't prepare for the interview process.
By prepare I include this guy:
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...ml#post6506433
People who (allegedly) got through everything but got rejected after their referees were contacted.
DIVOSH!
Spoke with someone who was doing the sim evaluations a few weeks ago. They said they were putting 4 hopefuls into the sim each week (mainly on Wednesdays) and the average success rate year to date was 25-50%.
This was only for the Traineeship mind you.
This was only for the Traineeship mind you.
Pilotchute- take it as a positive that you didnt get in mate. Im sure a job with a better operator is just around the corner! I didnt get in with Rex in 2008 and would not be where i am today if the result had of been the opposite!
So who do we believe? OFS who says just under 50%, or Fonz who says 15%? We'll go with the Fonz as it's leading to the conspiracy that Qlink has nothing else better to do than find ways of charging potential applicants some money.
I think you've misunderstood my post for a Qlink bashing. Which it is not. I in no way whatsoever implied that recruiting is some kind of money making scheme. I happen to disagree with that as I know it's not a cheap exercise and costs more than the 190 odd dollars the candidates pay.
I was simply passing on my thoughts as to why so many people were missing out.
I believe I am correct when I say that there have been interviews pretty much every week this year, and with 3-4 guys per week that gets the number somewhere between 150-200.
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Still a few getting through.. I know someone that just got a letter to say congrats, you are on active hold. (traineeship). Aparently no start date as courses are yet to be announced for next year.
On the other hand I thought afterwards that being bonded for 5 years could have held me back for something better down the track.
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As a past member of said company's interview panel I can attest to the fact that you can sum up in the first ten minutes whether an applicant will get the nod or not and even tho the sim sessions were a handful for some, these people went on to gain commands and are some of the best in the company.
Of all the people that 'got the nod' probably less than 10% turned out to be 'problem children', of which some are still with the company today.
The current interview process is far more complicated and involved than it once was, and not all the panel members are necessarily pilots or even flight operations people. That's not to say that they're not good at what they do but certain individuals have been known to display a very high expectation.
My two bobs worth
Of all the people that 'got the nod' probably less than 10% turned out to be 'problem children', of which some are still with the company today.
The current interview process is far more complicated and involved than it once was, and not all the panel members are necessarily pilots or even flight operations people. That's not to say that they're not good at what they do but certain individuals have been known to display a very high expectation.
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My ire wasn't directed at your post; rather than at Krusty (who's posts I normally enjoy reading) who used your quote instead of OFS to further his conspiracy theory that
Also to counter the other misconception that Qlink don't need any more pilots.
DIVOSH!
My ire wasn't directed at your post; rather than at Krusty (who's posts I normally enjoy reading) who used your quote instead of OFS to further his conspiracy theory that
Today, airline interviews (especially with the Rat or their subs') have resulted in some Beancounter's beachside Condo
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G'day again Pilotchute
Agree 100%!
But consider what kind of filtering your employment agency would have done before sending off your applicants? Have you ever in your previous job filtered 30 out of 200 (say) so that you could send that 30 off to a potential employer?
Qlink isn't getting their applicants from an employment agency. They're getting their applications directly from individuals who have the required mimimum hours and qualifications applicable at the time.
Back in the day (love that saying
) the average person getting into the likes of Qlink or Rex had over 4000 hours often including turbine time. These people had already had several years in GA, many GA employers, and had been through several interviews and jobs before applying to the larger regionals.
I would be guessing that that type of applicant is now rare at Qlink and Rex. A lot of the newer applicants haven't been through a professional interview process before, and this can show up in an interview. Many of them don't have extensive GA time and/or "living away from mum and dad" experience. They often lack maturity and that lack of maturity shows in the interviews.
I'm saying this because for some of our newer pilots (the ones getting through) Qlink is their first employer! For some others it is their second (their first being the flying school where they learned to fly).
My guess is that this is the main reason why there is a high failure rate during the Qlink application process.
My 2c
DIVOSH!
I have worked in HR and if I sent 200 applicants to interview at a company and only 30 were found suitable I would have lost that account before I could blink!
But consider what kind of filtering your employment agency would have done before sending off your applicants? Have you ever in your previous job filtered 30 out of 200 (say) so that you could send that 30 off to a potential employer?
Qlink isn't getting their applicants from an employment agency. They're getting their applications directly from individuals who have the required mimimum hours and qualifications applicable at the time.
Back in the day (love that saying
) the average person getting into the likes of Qlink or Rex had over 4000 hours often including turbine time. These people had already had several years in GA, many GA employers, and had been through several interviews and jobs before applying to the larger regionals.I would be guessing that that type of applicant is now rare at Qlink and Rex. A lot of the newer applicants haven't been through a professional interview process before, and this can show up in an interview. Many of them don't have extensive GA time and/or "living away from mum and dad" experience. They often lack maturity and that lack of maturity shows in the interviews.
I'm saying this because for some of our newer pilots (the ones getting through) Qlink is their first employer! For some others it is their second (their first being the flying school where they learned to fly).
My guess is that this is the main reason why there is a high failure rate during the Qlink application process.
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Hey guys,
had a good read of the thread, and I got an email recently offering an invitation for "stage three" of the recruitment process around Feb next year. So it will interesting to see what it's all about. And hopefully when the time comes, offer some insight for others in a similar position.
had a good read of the thread, and I got an email recently offering an invitation for "stage three" of the recruitment process around Feb next year. So it will interesting to see what it's all about. And hopefully when the time comes, offer some insight for others in a similar position.
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I have heard of a few people with interviews early in the new year. Out of curiosity, are there many out there who have been successful and currently on hold? anyone received word of a start for 2012?