IFR Renewal Costing
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I'm about to do my first renewal as well so I'm not exactly sure, but I understand it's not as involved as an initial issue (happy to be corrected). BTW, does an ILS cover you for a VOR with respect to renewals?
I’m not sure what the cost is in Australia, however in the USA the cost is nil – there is no requirement to renew an instrument rating. It is ever lasting as long as you keep up the recency requirements – which are less costly than Australia.
Isn’t it interesting that the USA, with its terrible weather, does not need the enormous impost on the industry of instrument rating renewals?
Of course there is the potential to make changes here. The CEO of CASA has issued a directive for Australia to harmonise with the regulations of leading overseas countries. There is great potential to follow the US system so safety dollars are not misallocated in hugely expensive instrument rating renewals which are not required in other countries.
Isn’t it interesting that the USA, with its terrible weather, does not need the enormous impost on the industry of instrument rating renewals?
Of course there is the potential to make changes here. The CEO of CASA has issued a directive for Australia to harmonise with the regulations of leading overseas countries. There is great potential to follow the US system so safety dollars are not misallocated in hugely expensive instrument rating renewals which are not required in other countries.
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Dick, is there anything being done in Australlia in this regard, eg a body lobbying CASA to get rid of the IFR renewal requirement?
Dick, is there anything in Australian Aviation that you do agree with?
Why don't you just move over to the US if you think they've got such a great system.
morno
Why don't you just move over to the US if you think they've got such a great system.
morno
Easy to say, morno, but at least Dick is trying to improve the system in Australia. Some of his 'improvements' we agree are a good idea, some of his 'improvements' we disagree with, but at least he's trying.
Flying flick, it depends how you do it!
I think ATO's charge a flat fee for conducting the renewal - ie can't remember if its $100 or $200.
The cheapest way is to do most of it in a stimulator and then just go do the aid that is nearest/easiest to get on to, in the cheapest twin available that you are comfortable flying. You only have to fly one aid in the aeroplane for a renewal. My guy would do - EFATO, APR, asymmetric missed APR, steep turns, partial panel with recovery from unusual attitudes, circling APR.
However, I find it easier to fly the aeroplane than a PC Stimulator - so I do the whole shebang in the Bo - don't need the twin cause I h'aint got one to fly. Probably takes me 2 hrs in the aeroplane.
Dr
I think ATO's charge a flat fee for conducting the renewal - ie can't remember if its $100 or $200.
The cheapest way is to do most of it in a stimulator and then just go do the aid that is nearest/easiest to get on to, in the cheapest twin available that you are comfortable flying. You only have to fly one aid in the aeroplane for a renewal. My guy would do - EFATO, APR, asymmetric missed APR, steep turns, partial panel with recovery from unusual attitudes, circling APR.
However, I find it easier to fly the aeroplane than a PC Stimulator - so I do the whole shebang in the Bo - don't need the twin cause I h'aint got one to fly. Probably takes me 2 hrs in the aeroplane.
Dr
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$100 - $200 would be great!
I just paid $138 for a PPL renewal with airspace for a 1.1 hour flight in my own aircraft! $8 per hour + $30 for the "test" and the rest his hourly rate through the school.
The instructor that I had previously lined up (it fell through due weather) was $150 - was a freelance instructor with no school as such.
I just paid $138 for a PPL renewal with airspace for a 1.1 hour flight in my own aircraft! $8 per hour + $30 for the "test" and the rest his hourly rate through the school.
The instructor that I had previously lined up (it fell through due weather) was $150 - was a freelance instructor with no school as such.
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VH-XXX.... PPL Renewal? Do you mean an Aeroplane Flight Review? 
No "renewal" required for a PPL and I am told no renewal required for a PIFR. 
My last renewal (6 weeks ago - number 8 I think) was with Rob at Curtis Aviation, Camden. Twin Catastrophe at about $320 ph plus ATO at $330 flat rate, plus the CASA fee (
) came to about $730.
Blast off out of CN, RIC for a holding pattern on the NDB then a DME arc to the ILS, Missed approach out of the ILS then back to CN for the NDB approach. Couple of circuits (one assym.) and we were done.
Highly recommended.
No "renewal" required for a PPL and I am told no renewal required for a PIFR. My last renewal (6 weeks ago - number 8 I think) was with Rob at Curtis Aviation, Camden. Twin Catastrophe at about $320 ph plus ATO at $330 flat rate, plus the CASA fee (
) came to about $730.Blast off out of CN, RIC for a holding pattern on the NDB then a DME arc to the ILS, Missed approach out of the ILS then back to CN for the NDB approach. Couple of circuits (one assym.) and we were done.
Highly recommended.
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Dick
I think I've got a job for you.
Cause after 21 farking renewals I'm farking sick and tired of this total waste of time.
We have bought this issue up so many times to be only confronted with blank stares.
With no renewal for the PIFR the job is only 50% done.
Your my man, are you up for it?
I know you have some spare time for this.
My pleasure will be no more renewals and the satisfaction of shutting up all those dumb carnts that feel like sullying you at will for no reason.
Kev
I think I've got a job for you.
Cause after 21 farking renewals I'm farking sick and tired of this total waste of time.
We have bought this issue up so many times to be only confronted with blank stares.
With no renewal for the PIFR the job is only 50% done.
Your my man, are you up for it?
I know you have some spare time for this.
My pleasure will be no more renewals and the satisfaction of shutting up all those dumb carnts that feel like sullying you at will for no reason.
Kev
I’m not sure what the cost is in Australia, however in the USA the cost is nil – there is no requirement to renew an instrument rating. It is ever lasting as long as you keep up the recency requirements – which are less costly than Australia.
Isn’t it interesting that the USA, with its terrible weather, does not need the enormous impost on the industry of instrument rating renewals?
Isn’t it interesting that the USA, with its terrible weather, does not need the enormous impost on the industry of instrument rating renewals?
The interesting thing about us having a lack of terrible weather, particularly in the north over the dry season is that we all get woefully uncurrent because we don't see a fricken cloud for six months. So I think your logic is backwards. The worse the weather you see, the more likely you'll be current and not need a renewel.
Did my renewal in june.It cost about 570 dollars with Whitworths and that was all in the aircraft. RIC ILS followed by an NDB at RIC and back to Bankstown.
You can split it up and do one App in the Sim and one in the aircraft but you still have to pay for the full hour in the sim so its better to do everything in the aircraft. Time ranges from 0.9-1.1 depending on traffic at RIC.
Bill Whitworth is excellent, good fun, enthusiastic. I've done about 5 renewals with him.
You can split it up and do one App in the Sim and one in the aircraft but you still have to pay for the full hour in the sim so its better to do everything in the aircraft. Time ranges from 0.9-1.1 depending on traffic at RIC.
Bill Whitworth is excellent, good fun, enthusiastic. I've done about 5 renewals with him.
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For once I agree with you Dick, this is an unecessary cost for Australian pilot's!
Most working pilot's are covered by CAR 217 anyway and have more than enough proficiency checks! For those who fly for pleasure, or not as primary employment this could be covered by the BFR, a la the PIFR.
PS: The US currency is more practical too! We have to do an ILS every 35 days which most could do with there eyes closed, yet an NDB only every 90 days...
Most working pilot's are covered by CAR 217 anyway and have more than enough proficiency checks! For those who fly for pleasure, or not as primary employment this could be covered by the BFR, a la the PIFR.
PS: The US currency is more practical too! We have to do an ILS every 35 days which most could do with there eyes closed, yet an NDB only every 90 days...
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Thanks for those who actually replied and didn't get involved in the crap. Whitworths and Curtis have been contacted.
Anyone else know of any good schools in Sydney area?
Anyone else know of any good schools in Sydney area?
Ok, I'll go against the flow. I don't like doing renewels as much as anyone else, but I always learn something