Mid Air at Latrobe Valley. 1 Dead
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Originally Posted by pall
As I turn on to final he has turned inside me cutting short his downwind leg, turns onto final in front of me. I have to go around to miss him.
"Oshkosh is mainly see and avoid"
... and sometimes they fail to!
I don't think we want to copy anything that goes on at Oshkosh. The whole time I was there I was expecting an accident ..... thought it was only a matter of time ..... and I was right!
One hell of an in-your-face experience, but in the end I was pleased to see all of those parked aeroplanes in my rearview mirror as I drove away from the place.
Dr
... and sometimes they fail to!
I don't think we want to copy anything that goes on at Oshkosh. The whole time I was there I was expecting an accident ..... thought it was only a matter of time ..... and I was right!
One hell of an in-your-face experience, but in the end I was pleased to see all of those parked aeroplanes in my rearview mirror as I drove away from the place.
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Spoke to Him!!
Kiwiblue,
Did speak to him on the ground. He smiled and said something like, Oh well I tend to fly a tighter circuit than most other pilots. Saves tim you know.
What can I say in response to that!
Did speak to him on the ground. He smiled and said something like, Oh well I tend to fly a tighter circuit than most other pilots. Saves tim you know.
What can I say in response to that!
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Very sad to hear about this.
A little tip, when in a circuit at a CTAF, talk to the other traffic and let them know the sequence, ie take control. If you join downwind and there is someone late downwind, i will say, "i will make number 2 to you", or if it was reversed, i would say "i will make number 1 to you".
Always helps to be pro-active than re-active.
A little tip, when in a circuit at a CTAF, talk to the other traffic and let them know the sequence, ie take control. If you join downwind and there is someone late downwind, i will say, "i will make number 2 to you", or if it was reversed, i would say "i will make number 1 to you".
Always helps to be pro-active than re-active.
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agree Mach082, always better to be proactive, especially in high traffic-density airspace, even more so when terrain places additional constraints. Pall, faced with that sort of a response, I would have taken it up a level -everyone has to answer to someone. Find that 'someone'. Given this individuals actions and (later) attitude, I wouldn't stop until there was a definitive response.
ForktailDr,
My input into this thread was in relation to several posts telling of their own near-miss experiances and a call for Tcas.
I bought Oshkosh up as an example of just how succesful see and aviod can be. Oshkosh airshow has more VFR aircraft flying in an area not much bigger than the Caloundra - Redcliff CTAF, then Australia has aircraft.
Perhaps the good results at Oshkosh is that pilots expect a lot of traffic so they look out side.
Unforetunatly here in Australia, I think there are some pilots who dont look out that much and when they have the inevitable near miss, they try and blame it on the system, or a lack of some electronic warning device etc. If they were to drive their cars the same way - looking at the CD player or Passenger, the result would be the same.
Calls for costly electronic warning devices will mearly put aviation further out of reach for the average Australian. Looking out the window achieves the same result and keeps the pilots situational awareness as well.
Sad as the incident is that is the originater for this thread, it is still an extremely rare event in Australia.
My input into this thread was in relation to several posts telling of their own near-miss experiances and a call for Tcas.
I bought Oshkosh up as an example of just how succesful see and aviod can be. Oshkosh airshow has more VFR aircraft flying in an area not much bigger than the Caloundra - Redcliff CTAF, then Australia has aircraft.
Perhaps the good results at Oshkosh is that pilots expect a lot of traffic so they look out side.
Unforetunatly here in Australia, I think there are some pilots who dont look out that much and when they have the inevitable near miss, they try and blame it on the system, or a lack of some electronic warning device etc. If they were to drive their cars the same way - looking at the CD player or Passenger, the result would be the same.
Calls for costly electronic warning devices will mearly put aviation further out of reach for the average Australian. Looking out the window achieves the same result and keeps the pilots situational awareness as well.
Sad as the incident is that is the originater for this thread, it is still an extremely rare event in Australia.
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Post deleted. If you don't have something nice to say don't say it at all. I was posting about the media. They have just reported half a dozen incorrect "facts."
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I dont know if there are any procedures in Australian airspace that would need to be modified as a result of this tragic accident.
I'm trying to glean as much information from news reports as possible, but reports are typically newspaperesque.
I'm trying to glean as much information from news reports as possible, but reports are typically newspaperesque.
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I bought Oshkosh up as an example of just how succesful see and aviod can be. Oshkosh airshow has more VFR aircraft flying in an area not much bigger than the Caloundra - Redcliff CTAF, then Australia has aircraft.
30 cessna singles arriving in trail from one direction is no problem. A microlight in the circuit with a B737 inbound conducting a practice approach mixed with various other arrivals and departures is another matter.
It only takes two to tango!
A microlight in the circuit with a B737 inbound conducting a practice approach mixed with various other arrivals and departures is another matter.
AerocatS2A,
Are you describing a particular incident?
AerocatS2A,
Are you describing a particular incident?
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"Sad as the incident is that is the originater for this thread, it is still an extremely rear event in Australia."
Gee flying Binghi, I try to avoid "extremely rear events", but thats just me,
some people actually like them alot!
Gee flying Binghi, I try to avoid "extremely rear events", but thats just me,
some people actually like them alot!
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considering the rarity of these types of events, and considering the number of flight made every day, and the few reports of personal near misses,
maybe the cheapest and safest option to combat this problem is an increased awareness of traffic avoidance and radio procedures be placed in the training syllabus, and made a significant point in the BFR process.
it seams to me most incidences are caused by simple radio misuse errors and poor airmanship by not really paying attention to whats going on Outside the window, when you hear a radio call, make it a point to actually visually sight the aircraft making the call.
maybe the cheapest and safest option to combat this problem is an increased awareness of traffic avoidance and radio procedures be placed in the training syllabus, and made a significant point in the BFR process.
it seams to me most incidences are caused by simple radio misuse errors and poor airmanship by not really paying attention to whats going on Outside the window, when you hear a radio call, make it a point to actually visually sight the aircraft making the call.
Good to hear there are no real incidents Aerocat S2A.
I've been looking at Dick Smiths web site - appears the airliner people have the odd one or two near misses in controlled airspace.
over...
I've been looking at Dick Smiths web site - appears the airliner people have the odd one or two near misses in controlled airspace.
over...
Ultralights,
there are more near misses REPORTED in CTA than OCTA.
there are more near misses REPORTED in CTA than OCTA.