Chocks Away

(Annex to tinpis' comment)
That's right Tinpis... and the media is SO surprised at that?
Australia:
-5 tax cuts in 5 years has meant that someone on $40-large in Oz is paying HALF THE TAX on their earnings of someone in NZ!!!
-GST has been concrete at 10% for years, as opposed to 12.5% in NZ (If Labour gets in this weekend there's NOTHING stopping them raising GST!)
-Less Local Councils and rates in Oz, PLUS Councils not in businesses they shouldn't be in, like in NZ.
-Way better Terms and Conditions in Oz.
-ACCC in Oz to monitor corruption/collusion (on petrol $ !) and unfair trading, NZ...?
It's no surprise evertone wants to move there given the stability and growth of the last 10 years ...it's just us pilots that need to band together to better our lot.

F.QII

I know at least a dozen of my mates here in dubai have applied for both captains and fo slots ,all with loads of hours on the 777 but not one of them has even had a reply,all ozzies looking at moving back home after doing there time in the sand,so what the go then?

MTOW

I think you'll need to hold your collective breath until around Feb.

Truth Seekers Int'nl

..........brave boys to apply without knowing the t&cs.......must have saved up a stack of money in the sand pit......wish i had that sort of money to be able to apply to an airline without caring what i get paid...couple of lads up here are waiting for a reply on t&cs before applying..........if its as bad as jetstar they won't get any starters from here...they did that exercise a while back!!!!!!

Razor

applying and accepting are mutually exclusive I would have thought.

coaldemon

I would have thought the best way to describe it is expressing an interest in the job only.

Watchdog

The VB website (VA ops) is calling for "expressions of interest" not 'applications'. Express interest - they advise what's on offer - then you apply if you like the sound of it.
As they don't intend to start for another 12 months, they'd hardly be in a hurry to start recruiting this far out.

F.QII

If you look at the VA web page it has said for the last 2/3 weeks now accepting APPLICATIONS

2XL

Curious if anyone has had a reply or been sent further information. Any interviews yet?

KaptinZZ

Spad, the AFAP did represent the pilots and weren't prevented by Hawke from doing so.
The AFAP represented the 100 or so pilots who hadn't resigned and they were the only ones entitled to be represented.
But let's not enter into another 'how we wuz wronged in '89". It's been done to death.

greensloped, page 5, is right on; somebody satart a thread onchocolate milkshakes. There must be an as yet unthought of connection to 89. You can bet spad will find one.

F.QII

latest rumour from the pit is a base of around 185/190 and with allowances which should nudge the 200 Aud mark.
Not sure if that will be enough to get many guys to return from the pit or asia!

meagain

You're kidding, they have applications hanging outta their proverbial backsides. I'm in and so are MANY more. Moneys OK, have you checked the $US lately, Most Asian carriers and the Sandpit guys are getting paid in the US peso, which is bad and getting worse. Don't kid yourselves , there are plenty of blokes out here who'd come back for the jobs, pilot shortage, never, maybe for a few 777 endorsed guys here and there but there's plenty lining up for Tiger, VB and J*.... I'm not stirring, it's a fact

2XL

Meagain if the money is ok, tell us what it is. Forget the rumours let's hear some facts.

nohumbug

Just out of interest, if a training managers wage is $156K ..what would the s/o (clerk) get ?

rexxxxxy

I'm told this what is currently being worked on :-

Captain - VB 737 Captain + 20% (including allowances & annual increases) so $209,019

First Officer - 60% of Captains Rate so $125,411

Junior First Officer - 85% of First Officer rate so $106,599

Second Officer - 60% of First Officer rate $75,426

The caliber of the candidates is impressive with many expats that hold very senior positions in many 777 operations who have applied.

More info as I get it..

Tankengine

Hmm, about 2/3rds of QF - really good deal!

2XL

Tank the rat does not have B777 so how can the offer be 2/3 of QF ?

I hear when you compare the QF and VB B737 scales the FO's are very similar however the Captains in QF are ahead - as long as they get overtime.

stable approach

rexxxxxy,
I think you'll find a big difference between the number of highly qualified guys that have applied, and those that would accept a substandard offer. I have 5 years LHS on the B777 and have applied to get in the queue, however like everybody I don't have a clue about the actual terms and conditions, and if they are not up to par I will happily stay where I am overseas

Spad

KaptainZZ, I tried to send you a personal message, but I see you've set up your account not to receive them, so apologies for the off-thread comment to everyone else. ????? Eh? My memory's getting a bit dim on what the actual numbers were who didn't resign, but try dropping the final zero and I think you'll be closer to the mark - a LOT closer to the mark.
As for the AFAP representing them.... I think the SMS code for that comment is 'LOL' - for laugh out loud. From that comment, I can only assume you weren't actually around at the time, KaptainZZ, and have learned all about those days from only one self-serving perspective.
Back to the subject of the thread: I agree that many of the pilots overseas are tyre-kicking. If 10% of the overseas pilots who've applied take the job, I'll be surprised. But if the salary package is as someone stated above, around $200,000 to $220,000 a year, they might get a few starters the way the US Dollar is going.

Tankengine

2XL,

Ok, about 2/3 of QF737 and about 2/3 of A330 then![simmilar size]

Still less than "industry standard"