Air NZ Link - Eagle Air
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Yea funny you say...all the pilot's that have flown the islander here are deaf, great.. so apart from shoving some plugs in my ears which i don't really want to do, i'm thinking about a noise reduction head set. The otter is damn loud up front but aft of the engines it's not too bad. We getting pretty busy at the mo, tell me..any good beer in Raro?
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Now I am not one to buy into the BS on this site, however...
Islander vs B1900D...For me it would be no question!
Sit it out in the hope NSN calls me, and meanwhile have a chance at EAG...No question!
Standing in the rain vs sitting in the warmth...Okay you have that one, however, if offered EAG and still waiting for the possible call from NSN no question.
Money...Yes better at COOK and NSN, you get that one too. Still as per previous pts, if offered interveiw, go, you can alwyas say no! Why fly '50's tech when you can fly '80's tech......
Did my time there, best flying I'll probably ever do! Great experience, good bunch o fly with, pretty good gear, and holds you in pretty good stead for the jets.....
My advise do whats best for you, as for being 13 hours shy on nigh hours you'll do that in a winter in good ole NZed!
Might be the ugliest acft but sure was good to fly
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Islander vs B1900D...For me it would be no question!
Sit it out in the hope NSN calls me, and meanwhile have a chance at EAG...No question!
Standing in the rain vs sitting in the warmth...Okay you have that one, however, if offered EAG and still waiting for the possible call from NSN no question.
Money...Yes better at COOK and NSN, you get that one too. Still as per previous pts, if offered interveiw, go, you can alwyas say no! Why fly '50's tech when you can fly '80's tech......
Did my time there, best flying I'll probably ever do! Great experience, good bunch o fly with, pretty good gear, and holds you in pretty good stead for the jets.....
My advise do whats best for you, as for being 13 hours shy on nigh hours you'll do that in a winter in good ole NZed!
Might be the ugliest acft but sure was good to fly
Float Flyer out
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Don't be daft!!!!
3yr $30 000 bond at Eagle just dont go there.
only 18month bond at Chook and NSN and they pay more. You've also got Vincents, Air National, and Airwork-more time off and more money and they need captains
I heard a few newbies resigned to go do that Air India 777 thing and big cheese Wayne made them sign an agreement that they'd pay $1600/month back for their bond - and "No' the bond isn't pro rata from when you start. It drops $10k only on completion of a complete year worked.
The poor lads also got a phone call from Big Brother saying if they didn't sign the agreement then AirNZ would not do the 777 rating for them as planned.
SHAFTED!!! As always in this industry
3yr $30 000 bond at Eagle just dont go there.
only 18month bond at Chook and NSN and they pay more. You've also got Vincents, Air National, and Airwork-more time off and more money and they need captains
I heard a few newbies resigned to go do that Air India 777 thing and big cheese Wayne made them sign an agreement that they'd pay $1600/month back for their bond - and "No' the bond isn't pro rata from when you start. It drops $10k only on completion of a complete year worked.
The poor lads also got a phone call from Big Brother saying if they didn't sign the agreement then AirNZ would not do the 777 rating for them as planned.
SHAFTED!!! As always in this industry
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Quite right ...If you sign a bond agreement, expect to pay up if you leave within 3 yrs...any business who makes an investment needs to protect that investment.
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I agree hot tuna.
Eagle is a great first airline job, and I wouldn't have any hesitation recommending it. Of course you do have to weigh things up in terms of your own situation and ambitions. I personally don't agree with the 3 year bond, but I can understand why they introduced it, and that's their business. At the end of the day, you guys are the market, if you don't accept the 3 year bond in the current climate, don't go there. There are plenty of people for which 3 years at Eagle would be no major problem, but it is nice to have the flexability to move.
Whatever y'all decide to do, good luck.
Eagle is a great first airline job, and I wouldn't have any hesitation recommending it. Of course you do have to weigh things up in terms of your own situation and ambitions. I personally don't agree with the 3 year bond, but I can understand why they introduced it, and that's their business. At the end of the day, you guys are the market, if you don't accept the 3 year bond in the current climate, don't go there. There are plenty of people for which 3 years at Eagle would be no major problem, but it is nice to have the flexability to move.
Whatever y'all decide to do, good luck.
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Gwan B Yirheid....
Cant speak for vinnies on T&C but im fairly sure youll be on more at EAG than National.... Take home F/O pay about the same as Airwork granted that you dont work nearly as much with airwork but then..... pay for a Metro rating or get a free B1900 one? then again living in the main centres could be a plus..... Each has its pro's and cons suited to the individual but a bit rich to claim one is better than the other.
So whats the 18month bond worth? I heard a rumour that co's are only actually on circa 25k at NSN until checked to line???? Dont forget to mention year two in EAG youll be on cmmd pay not co pay..... Year three??? Is there anyone in EAG whose been there more than two these days
Each to thier own but make sure you have the full story before deciding which is better when someone on pprune says your earn x$ here or there
Cant speak for vinnies on T&C but im fairly sure youll be on more at EAG than National.... Take home F/O pay about the same as Airwork granted that you dont work nearly as much with airwork but then..... pay for a Metro rating or get a free B1900 one? then again living in the main centres could be a plus..... Each has its pro's and cons suited to the individual but a bit rich to claim one is better than the other.
So whats the 18month bond worth? I heard a rumour that co's are only actually on circa 25k at NSN until checked to line???? Dont forget to mention year two in EAG youll be on cmmd pay not co pay..... Year three??? Is there anyone in EAG whose been there more than two these days
Each to thier own but make sure you have the full story before deciding which is better when someone on pprune says your earn x$ here or there
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flyby makes a very good point. If you're looking purely at dollars, you would have to stay at Air Nelson for maybe five years before you've earned more dough than at Eagle (assuming a command after one year at Eagle and three years at Air Nelson). Not to mention the value of two crew turboprop command time (unless you're looking at Japan).
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Cloud...
I'd disagree with you on a couple of points. I really don't think it would take more than 5 years for an Air Nelson guy to be out paid by Eagle taking into account an early command at Eagle. I thought a FO at Air Nelson was on damm near (if not higher than) a 1st year Eagle command salary? Feel free to correct me, please do if I'm wrong. I also disagree with 'not to mention the value of two crew turboprop command time' What a load of sh*t! Airlines are short of guys the world over, if they want turboprop time that's what they want... not a stinking command on a piece of rubbish 19 seater, they want turboprop time. Command turboprop time has long gone out the window, ATPL's still seem to hold their value however. But with that you can do your ATPL in the sim at Air Nelson from what I understand so that levels the playing field in terms of the getting a command at Eagle point of view.
And as for the 3 year bond RUBBISH... what says someone at Eagle gets a jet interview and start after 18 months which is highly probable. How many FUC*$N years do you think that would put you behind your mate that took an Air Nelson job if he was on that same interview and start? You'll argue that he is now on a higher wage so can pay it back quickly... but if he was an Air Nelson FO he would have been on a much HIGHER wage for that year, and with much less bond he's moons above Eagle.
Eagle in todays climate especially... IS A PIECE OF SH*T!
I'd disagree with you on a couple of points. I really don't think it would take more than 5 years for an Air Nelson guy to be out paid by Eagle taking into account an early command at Eagle. I thought a FO at Air Nelson was on damm near (if not higher than) a 1st year Eagle command salary? Feel free to correct me, please do if I'm wrong. I also disagree with 'not to mention the value of two crew turboprop command time' What a load of sh*t! Airlines are short of guys the world over, if they want turboprop time that's what they want... not a stinking command on a piece of rubbish 19 seater, they want turboprop time. Command turboprop time has long gone out the window, ATPL's still seem to hold their value however. But with that you can do your ATPL in the sim at Air Nelson from what I understand so that levels the playing field in terms of the getting a command at Eagle point of view.
And as for the 3 year bond RUBBISH... what says someone at Eagle gets a jet interview and start after 18 months which is highly probable. How many FUC*$N years do you think that would put you behind your mate that took an Air Nelson job if he was on that same interview and start? You'll argue that he is now on a higher wage so can pay it back quickly... but if he was an Air Nelson FO he would have been on a much HIGHER wage for that year, and with much less bond he's moons above Eagle.
Eagle in todays climate especially... IS A PIECE OF SH*T!
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Whats wrong Gone Down? pretty anti eag???? im sure you were always above it anyway. 
Every job application I have seen has required one to stipulate multicrew time and command time. Some operators place more weight than others on the issue but I think we can both agree a CV looks better with turbo prop command rather than turbo prop co.
Not exactly., If you plan to work for any of the smaller players in OZ you will need 500multi cmmd
Plenty of happy workers there and plenty more lining up.
To those not in the know EAG have cut many at the interview process, some wrongly so & others deserved: Just watch the following posts. As flyby and cloud suggest look at the finer details that make up the whole package. Gone Down, nobody denied that NSN would be a better pick in the long run, infact Mt Chook would be even better.
Command turboprop time has long gone out the window
. But with that you can do your ATPL in the sim at Air Nelson from what I understand so that levels the playing field
Eagle in todays climate especially... IS A PIECE OF SH*T!
To those not in the know EAG have cut many at the interview process, some wrongly so & others deserved: Just watch the following posts. As flyby and cloud suggest look at the finer details that make up the whole package. Gone Down, nobody denied that NSN would be a better pick in the long run, infact Mt Chook would be even better.
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