Air Pacific - Bright & Rosy?
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Air Pacific - Bright & Rosy?
Ladies & Gentlemen,
Let it be known that 'recent events at FJ - The Island in the Sky - airline' have prooved once again that the mgt are NOT, I repeat NOT
- FIT and PROPER PERSONS.
eg. - The termination of an EXCELLENT contract Capt. The reasons cited
by mgt are BULLSH*T. From what I hear from F/Os, this guy flew the
acft like it was on rails.
- MORs that have NOT been forwarded to CAFFI (CAA Fiji Islands).
- The selection of Trg Capts new to the Coy AND new on type, which
has resulted in some 'undesirable incidents'.
- The 737 Fleet Capt insisting on doing certain new Capts final SIM
Chks.
- Standing down F/Os without discussing the issue with the Capt
involved.
- Standing down a Contract Capt and his F/O because they sought
'clarification of the RFS CAT' at a remote island airport. The mgt
said he 'refused to operate'. BULLSH*T AGAIN.
Must away and pack my bags - SUN GLASSES, Arabic phrase book, etc etc. Ah, E M I R A T E S here I come.
Let it be known that 'recent events at FJ - The Island in the Sky - airline' have prooved once again that the mgt are NOT, I repeat NOT
- FIT and PROPER PERSONS.
eg. - The termination of an EXCELLENT contract Capt. The reasons cited
by mgt are BULLSH*T. From what I hear from F/Os, this guy flew the
acft like it was on rails.
- MORs that have NOT been forwarded to CAFFI (CAA Fiji Islands).
- The selection of Trg Capts new to the Coy AND new on type, which
has resulted in some 'undesirable incidents'.
- The 737 Fleet Capt insisting on doing certain new Capts final SIM
Chks.
- Standing down F/Os without discussing the issue with the Capt
involved.
- Standing down a Contract Capt and his F/O because they sought
'clarification of the RFS CAT' at a remote island airport. The mgt
said he 'refused to operate'. BULLSH*T AGAIN.
Must away and pack my bags - SUN GLASSES, Arabic phrase book, etc etc. Ah, E M I R A T E S here I come.
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The Smiling Death - a Hill Ton
Bula!.
Its not only Paris's namesake that should be fired, but a few more. Now where shall I start?
The baby of the fleet?
Let it be known that it has come to the attention of us right seaters that one of our brethern was acousted by none other than a horse (commonly known to children as GG's ) during a flight and quized on a few Capts acft operation. The F/O we believe was a little guarded in his replies but the Horse said;
" I want that in writing!"
The F/O (as we all do) sought counsel from a Capt. The Capt said DONT write and discuss this issue with the Union. However, the Horse called the F/O a week or so later asking for the said report. Then a few days later, the F/O was called, still hadn't written the report so a taxi was sent to his house (on a day off) and he was taken to the hangar, put in an office and told ;
"Write that report or else!"
Me thinks this is a report under duress, NOT a free CONFIDENTIAL report.
Some of us were also quized on the same Capts acft operation after our SIMs.
It seems to us that the horse dosn't like dairy farmers! This dairy farmer was on to something BIG. I mean he had been working on this project for 4 yrs!!!! He was about to 'break dirt' as they say.
Now about the farmers acft operation.
IT WAS BLOODY EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO WERE HIS SIMS -
I did a couple with him. The farmer would sit down with you and go through the sequence stage by stage. Check lists in detail and cross reference performance tables so everything was known. The result would be a sim debrief;
-"Thats a good pass to both of you. Any questions?
Lets go!"
I personally looked forward to flying with the farmer - even though he could talk all day about cows, grass, fertizliser, etc. He could be half way through explaining something and still spot a minor point if you were PF.
He flew the acft as if it were on rails.
However we hear that his contract was terminated due to
- unacceptable acft operation and poor sim performance.
That is BULLSH*T!!!!!!
FJ Mgt were green (note that this is the colour of the BULLSH*T) with envy.
Must also go and practice my Arabic.
Next time I might discuss some RFS issues, or ETOPS. Now that is where the framer really knew his stuff. The HORSE pulished a memo stating 1230 miles as FJ 737s 180 min ETOPS. The framer showed me the Boering Aera of Operation tables.- You aviators out there take a look and tell the rest of us what you find. Bet you cannot find 1230 miles in the 180 min column.
Moce Vinaka until next time.
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Its not only Paris's namesake that should be fired, but a few more. Now where shall I start?
The baby of the fleet?
Let it be known that it has come to the attention of us right seaters that one of our brethern was acousted by none other than a horse (commonly known to children as GG's ) during a flight and quized on a few Capts acft operation. The F/O we believe was a little guarded in his replies but the Horse said;
" I want that in writing!"
The F/O (as we all do) sought counsel from a Capt. The Capt said DONT write and discuss this issue with the Union. However, the Horse called the F/O a week or so later asking for the said report. Then a few days later, the F/O was called, still hadn't written the report so a taxi was sent to his house (on a day off) and he was taken to the hangar, put in an office and told ;
"Write that report or else!"
Me thinks this is a report under duress, NOT a free CONFIDENTIAL report.
Some of us were also quized on the same Capts acft operation after our SIMs.
It seems to us that the horse dosn't like dairy farmers! This dairy farmer was on to something BIG. I mean he had been working on this project for 4 yrs!!!! He was about to 'break dirt' as they say.
Now about the farmers acft operation.
IT WAS BLOODY EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO WERE HIS SIMS -
I did a couple with him. The farmer would sit down with you and go through the sequence stage by stage. Check lists in detail and cross reference performance tables so everything was known. The result would be a sim debrief;
-"Thats a good pass to both of you. Any questions?
Lets go!"
I personally looked forward to flying with the farmer - even though he could talk all day about cows, grass, fertizliser, etc. He could be half way through explaining something and still spot a minor point if you were PF.
He flew the acft as if it were on rails.
However we hear that his contract was terminated due to
- unacceptable acft operation and poor sim performance.
That is BULLSH*T!!!!!!
FJ Mgt were green (note that this is the colour of the BULLSH*T) with envy.
Must also go and practice my Arabic.
Next time I might discuss some RFS issues, or ETOPS. Now that is where the framer really knew his stuff. The HORSE pulished a memo stating 1230 miles as FJ 737s 180 min ETOPS. The framer showed me the Boering Aera of Operation tables.- You aviators out there take a look and tell the rest of us what you find. Bet you cannot find 1230 miles in the 180 min column.
Moce Vinaka until next time.
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Hey Bula Bandit,
Good to see someone else from the 'Island in the sky' airline has the balls to speak out about the 'green runny waste stuff from cows' that oozes, no that is incorrect - it flows like Niagra falls in the summer!!!!!!!! from the top floor.
I must agree with you, the farmer did fly the NG like it was on rails. He and the other two longest serving contract Capts should have been Trg Capts long ago. BUT we all know the horse (GeeGee)has them in his 'black book'. The taxis are crap and stoney creek is right in what he said. The farmer would not take any crap - he knew how to deal with ****. Sweep it clear off the yard and into the **** pond! The 3rd is a pure gentleman - he too knows his stuff. a real professional aviator. But truth be known, all 3 are probably seen as a threat to the old bald knacker! BTW, did the horse always 'stir the pot' like a vibrator when below DH? He personally gave me the ****s the way he landed.
Arabic lesson so must away -
Good to see someone else from the 'Island in the sky' airline has the balls to speak out about the 'green runny waste stuff from cows' that oozes, no that is incorrect - it flows like Niagra falls in the summer!!!!!!!! from the top floor.
I must agree with you, the farmer did fly the NG like it was on rails. He and the other two longest serving contract Capts should have been Trg Capts long ago. BUT we all know the horse (GeeGee)has them in his 'black book'. The taxis are crap and stoney creek is right in what he said. The farmer would not take any crap - he knew how to deal with ****. Sweep it clear off the yard and into the **** pond! The 3rd is a pure gentleman - he too knows his stuff. a real professional aviator. But truth be known, all 3 are probably seen as a threat to the old bald knacker! BTW, did the horse always 'stir the pot' like a vibrator when below DH? He personally gave me the ****s the way he landed.
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Is it true that the requirements to have a frozen ATPL do not exist anymore? I hear that guys are hired now and given a year to do their ATPL's.
From my understanding Fiji aviation has lost some top pilots (from Air Pacific, Sunair and Air Fiji) due to the fact that they werent hired as they werent a relative of one of the FJ captains or top management.
From my understanding Fiji aviation has lost some top pilots (from Air Pacific, Sunair and Air Fiji) due to the fact that they werent hired as they werent a relative of one of the FJ captains or top management.
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Nail on the HEAD
Dragon Spice - never a truer word said.
However in defence of the next generation, they are good operators.
But - the selection of the first lady was very political.
Now back to the green waste (SH*T) 'flowing from Niagara';
Another 3 pilots are off to learn Arabic. They are leaving NOT because of PAY or LIFESTYLE, BUT because of the SH*T from the HORSE and the PHotel.
- one was a 737 chk & Trg Capt.
- other Capt had been a Trg Capt but resigned because of the HORSE sh*t
- 3rd was a 747 F/O. If my memory serves me right, he was the F/O with the farmer when they operated SYD-NAN with 1x less cc due sickness out of base. The PHotel had assured them that CAAFI dispensation had been approved. However when they got back, - you know the story - IT DIDNT FU*KING EXIST. THE PHOTEL FU*KING LIED AGAIN - just like he did in court over the sacking of a 767 F/O. I know the farmer was pretty blunt with his comments to the PHotel FRONT DESK. (Probably the first nail in his coffin).
More recent events;
Did you hear about-
- a new 737 Trg Capt putting cushions in the Capts window to block his view and the do a NDB app at NFFN while on a revenue flt?
- another new trg Capt got a block clr NAN-HNL (this is a MTOW, 20.9t fuel, 6:40hr sector ldg on fumes), then climbing everytime the optimum level was 300ft above actual level. F/O (who was vastly more 737NG & ETOPs experienced) advised him NOT to operate this way - BUT you know Capts - so they arr HNL having burnt 700kg MORE fuel than Flt plan.
HOwever- BOTH are still Trg Capts because they have brown noses and drink at the horses trough!!!!!!!!!!!
In Sha la - is that how you spell it?
Must away and check my arabic.
Vinaka
However in defence of the next generation, they are good operators.
But - the selection of the first lady was very political.
Now back to the green waste (SH*T) 'flowing from Niagara';
Another 3 pilots are off to learn Arabic. They are leaving NOT because of PAY or LIFESTYLE, BUT because of the SH*T from the HORSE and the PHotel.
- one was a 737 chk & Trg Capt.
- other Capt had been a Trg Capt but resigned because of the HORSE sh*t
- 3rd was a 747 F/O. If my memory serves me right, he was the F/O with the farmer when they operated SYD-NAN with 1x less cc due sickness out of base. The PHotel had assured them that CAAFI dispensation had been approved. However when they got back, - you know the story - IT DIDNT FU*KING EXIST. THE PHOTEL FU*KING LIED AGAIN - just like he did in court over the sacking of a 767 F/O. I know the farmer was pretty blunt with his comments to the PHotel FRONT DESK. (Probably the first nail in his coffin).
More recent events;
Did you hear about-
- a new 737 Trg Capt putting cushions in the Capts window to block his view and the do a NDB app at NFFN while on a revenue flt?
- another new trg Capt got a block clr NAN-HNL (this is a MTOW, 20.9t fuel, 6:40hr sector ldg on fumes), then climbing everytime the optimum level was 300ft above actual level. F/O (who was vastly more 737NG & ETOPs experienced) advised him NOT to operate this way - BUT you know Capts - so they arr HNL having burnt 700kg MORE fuel than Flt plan.
HOwever- BOTH are still Trg Capts because they have brown noses and drink at the horses trough!!!!!!!!!!!
In Sha la - is that how you spell it?
Must away and check my arabic.
Vinaka
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"First Lady"....you'll have to give me more clues.
I absolutely agree that the New Generation are good operators. I suppose that it was a blessing that the guys who left werent hired as they dont have to put up with the current dictatorship. These guys did the hard yards in the domestic scene (crap equipment, crap pay, crap conditions etc etc) and 99% of them had a flawless flying record...ie no incidents. Now, compare that with the few guys who were hired after the mass exodus to the gulf. Few of these new hires have 'files' as thick as a novel! I suppose that one of these guys wud have "CHEERed" during the exodus.
Air Pacific would be the ideal job for many locals if it werent for current situation at FJ. Who would want to leave a lifestyle of a tropical paradise. The salary might not be that great when compared to the current market rates but atleast you're not a million mile away from friends and family.
I absolutely agree that the New Generation are good operators. I suppose that it was a blessing that the guys who left werent hired as they dont have to put up with the current dictatorship. These guys did the hard yards in the domestic scene (crap equipment, crap pay, crap conditions etc etc) and 99% of them had a flawless flying record...ie no incidents. Now, compare that with the few guys who were hired after the mass exodus to the gulf. Few of these new hires have 'files' as thick as a novel! I suppose that one of these guys wud have "CHEERed" during the exodus.
Air Pacific would be the ideal job for many locals if it werent for current situation at FJ. Who would want to leave a lifestyle of a tropical paradise. The salary might not be that great when compared to the current market rates but atleast you're not a million mile away from friends and family.
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The first lady
Dragon spice,
The First Lady is a rather nice lady - BUT the manner in which she was recruited was very unethical. The second lady - (who is also rather nice), had been a Brazillia F/O for a couple of yrs. She had applied to FJ, BUT had been ignored for yrs, then interviewed and turned down - "Not good enough, - never will hire you etc etc". Then the First lady gets 1000hrs (just, but with no comd) gets a "Come to the office" phone call, arrives to find TV camera & press etcetc. Let me point out that the First Lady is of blood that can apply for 'support' from "Affirmative Action Policies' (commonly know as Blueprint policies - ie. Govt policies aimed at assisting ethnic Fijians).
THEN, a couple of weeks later, the 2nd lady gets a phone call - "Start on Monday". Note here that AIR PACIFIC give you job offers that do not allow you to give your current employer full notice. BUT when you want to leave AIR PAC at short notice, NO FU*King way will they let you go a second early!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ladies, appologies to both of you for discussing your recruitment and employment with FJ. I hear that you are both competent pilots. The issue I am raising here is the manner of FJ's recruiting.
Nepotisim has no place in aviation - But we all know it is everywhere.
What's the word for nepotism in Arabic?
The First Lady is a rather nice lady - BUT the manner in which she was recruited was very unethical. The second lady - (who is also rather nice), had been a Brazillia F/O for a couple of yrs. She had applied to FJ, BUT had been ignored for yrs, then interviewed and turned down - "Not good enough, - never will hire you etc etc". Then the First lady gets 1000hrs (just, but with no comd) gets a "Come to the office" phone call, arrives to find TV camera & press etcetc. Let me point out that the First Lady is of blood that can apply for 'support' from "Affirmative Action Policies' (commonly know as Blueprint policies - ie. Govt policies aimed at assisting ethnic Fijians).
THEN, a couple of weeks later, the 2nd lady gets a phone call - "Start on Monday". Note here that AIR PACIFIC give you job offers that do not allow you to give your current employer full notice. BUT when you want to leave AIR PAC at short notice, NO FU*King way will they let you go a second early!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ladies, appologies to both of you for discussing your recruitment and employment with FJ. I hear that you are both competent pilots. The issue I am raising here is the manner of FJ's recruiting.
Nepotisim has no place in aviation - But we all know it is everywhere.
What's the word for nepotism in Arabic?
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Ahh yes thanks for enlightening me 737Capt. There are alot more sad stories inline with the 2nd lady's intake. Atleast she was hired. As mentioned in one of my earlier threads...there are alot of excellent blokes who missed out on FJ due to not having any bloodlines in Air Pacific or not being eligible for the "Affirmative Action Policies"! One of these blokes (although not being the most polished) ended up with Pacific Sun after leaving for Air New Zealand Link with another good bloke. I suppose he is regretting accepting a position with PS as he is now firmly cemented in the left hand seat of an ATR with no sight of moving to the jets. The other guy made a move to HK via Air NZ Link.
I must say the guys who werent eligible for the "Blue Print Polocies" who made it to FJ arent very good examples of doing the hard yards. One guy S/O A.S had a very poor rapport with colleagues while in domestic. He got into this line of job for the uniform and luckily enough his Dad bought him a 737 rating (am suprised that he even made it through the type rating course...even after a few attempts).
Anyways apologies for "hating the player" and not the "game".
All in all my best bet is that FJ could be a dream job in paradise once the top level monkeys are removed.
I must say the guys who werent eligible for the "Blue Print Polocies" who made it to FJ arent very good examples of doing the hard yards. One guy S/O A.S had a very poor rapport with colleagues while in domestic. He got into this line of job for the uniform and luckily enough his Dad bought him a 737 rating (am suprised that he even made it through the type rating course...even after a few attempts).
Anyways apologies for "hating the player" and not the "game".
All in all my best bet is that FJ could be a dream job in paradise once the top level monkeys are removed.
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Hi all,
reading this post with interest as am ex-AP and now O/S.Agree that the management is a lot to be desired for.I think they were and are still not in touch with the folks at the businss end.What is wrong is the slagging of the airline itself.It was a nice place to work with some of the most competent people I have flown with.My experiences tend to differ with some regarding the mentioned contract pilot and the ATR driver.I didn't agree with there professionalism having flown with both.I respect that things might have changed..Some of the folks that have been trained by GG and the past C&T's have excelled in other major carriers.AP is losing a lot of experienced guys and I think well done if you want to broaden your horizons.It also does not mean that those staying are idiots.They have their reasons.It can be a racist environment but that example is set from the top.Do something about the CP not his hitmen.
reading this post with interest as am ex-AP and now O/S.Agree that the management is a lot to be desired for.I think they were and are still not in touch with the folks at the businss end.What is wrong is the slagging of the airline itself.It was a nice place to work with some of the most competent people I have flown with.My experiences tend to differ with some regarding the mentioned contract pilot and the ATR driver.I didn't agree with there professionalism having flown with both.I respect that things might have changed..Some of the folks that have been trained by GG and the past C&T's have excelled in other major carriers.AP is losing a lot of experienced guys and I think well done if you want to broaden your horizons.It also does not mean that those staying are idiots.They have their reasons.It can be a racist environment but that example is set from the top.Do something about the CP not his hitmen.
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I would have to agree with coco, the problem comes from the top, and like any waterfall will always flow down, in this case to the hitmen, cronies etc. Management will tell you that they will not hold anybody back from leaving, that's fine, what a pilot on the fence would rather hear would probably be Air Pac is interested in retaining you, what can we do to make you stay ? But I sadly suspect this is the same at any company any where in the world. To all Air Pac guys. chin up, been there . . . . . . got sick of it so I left. Moce mada.
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Air Pacific were also very difficult to get along with back in 2000, when I operated the 747 Classics for them. I was employed by an agent located in Sydney, and they were not ethical or trustworthy either....the end result....I left!
I feel better now!
Cheers....FD
I feel better now!
Cheers....FD
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FD I agree.Contract pilots employed by AP got a raw deal.This comes from an inherent culture within the company that anybody can be replaced.They do not equate the loss in terms of losing a 10 year Capt and being replaced by a new S/O.For a long time the company also thought that a lot of local pilots were not good enough to make good with other international airlines.How wrong they were as so many are Capts with these major carriers.The management including the recently retired Asian gentleman from Canada did not value the stable core that had remained with the company for so long.Once again I think the overall job was quite good but there was at times underlying racism and sadly AP has become now a training ground rather than a resting point.And I doubt this will change as long as PH is there.The funny thing is that it is he who cannot make good outside Fiji and the folks he thought were not good enough have.I understand things have changed somewhat regarding C&T as some folks there a little while ago marked according to personality rather than ability.We realise now having being exposed to other systems what utter crap that was.Saying that, once again I found most of the guys really excellent to fly with and quite easygoing as well as professional.I do hope for the sake of those staying that it all improves there as not everyone can leave.
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How many locals have left FJ for greener pastures since this exodus began? I am aware of a couple in QR with the bulk going to EK via Oman.
And could anyone give me an indication of local salaries at FJ from 737 F/O all the way up to 747 skipper.
What were the cabin crew like to work with?
And could anyone give me an indication of local salaries at FJ from 737 F/O all the way up to 747 skipper.
What were the cabin crew like to work with?
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Not sure about salary scales any more.But they did get 23% PF (locals) and decent O/N allowances.Guys are all over the world -VB,CX,EK,QR,PB,Oman,India and I believe a few going to interview in Etihad.
The cabin crew were friendly and professional and I think personally quite good.
The cabin crew were friendly and professional and I think personally quite good.
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Dragon I think that the contractors were there doing their jobs to feed their families as quite a lot came there after the AN collapse.Some locals did not like the fact that so many had been taken in and had stopped the local pilot progression.This was of course the companies fault and not the individual contractor.They were just fulfillling their role.Not all locals saw it this way though.So there was some animosity there.
Regarding racism between the two races,I think there was an underlying feeling present.And as stated in my earlier post this attitude came from the CP.Day to day operations were smooth and it was not visbly present.There was a period of approx 8-9 years when no Indian pilot was recruited.In fact one of these guys was told numerous times that he was psychologically inept as stated by his psych test.That Indian gentleman is now a new Capt with the co.The guys got along well,in fact very well but I think if an Indian pilot did certain things which broke co.laws,he was dealt more harshly than a local Fijian pilot.CP kept some people after certain incidents .Some of these guys were not fit enough to be baggage handlers let alone professional airmen.Saying all this I must put emphasis on the point that a lot of guys on line did not have this mentality.And lets not forget that FJ is not all Indians and Fijians.There are a lot of other races involved and they have had similar experiences.Once again line was good,CC good and it was an absolute pleasure to fly with most
Regarding racism between the two races,I think there was an underlying feeling present.And as stated in my earlier post this attitude came from the CP.Day to day operations were smooth and it was not visbly present.There was a period of approx 8-9 years when no Indian pilot was recruited.In fact one of these guys was told numerous times that he was psychologically inept as stated by his psych test.That Indian gentleman is now a new Capt with the co.The guys got along well,in fact very well but I think if an Indian pilot did certain things which broke co.laws,he was dealt more harshly than a local Fijian pilot.CP kept some people after certain incidents .Some of these guys were not fit enough to be baggage handlers let alone professional airmen.Saying all this I must put emphasis on the point that a lot of guys on line did not have this mentality.And lets not forget that FJ is not all Indians and Fijians.There are a lot of other races involved and they have had similar experiences.Once again line was good,CC good and it was an absolute pleasure to fly with most