IFR: Missed approach tracking requirements
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IFR: Missed approach tracking requirements
G'day all, a mate and I are having a debate with reguard to tracking requirements on Missed approaches.
where an approach says to "turn right onto a track of 070"
is this;
a) a Dead Reckoned track (taking into account wind) of 070 from whichever point the aircraft happens to be. IE: in nill wind the aircraft would simply turn onto a heading of 070. or;
b) a Track of 070 with refference to the VOR/NDB. ie. turn right and intercept the outbound track of 070.
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where an approach says to "turn right onto a track of 070"
is this;
a) a Dead Reckoned track (taking into account wind) of 070 from whichever point the aircraft happens to be. IE: in nill wind the aircraft would simply turn onto a heading of 070. or;
b) a Track of 070 with refference to the VOR/NDB. ie. turn right and intercept the outbound track of 070.
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Read the book
AIP says to fly a heading adjusted for wind affect, unless the track is specified on the approach plate to be referenced from a navaid.
To complicate matters, I have also seen procedures that specify "fly heading..." which I guess is different again. Can't think of an example in Australia off the top of my head, but guess this is usually only in a radar environment.
To complicate matters, I have also seen procedures that specify "fly heading..." which I guess is different again. Can't think of an example in Australia off the top of my head, but guess this is usually only in a radar environment.
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My humble opinion
My understanding would be that if the missed approach is defined as "track 030", it would have to mean from the MAP otherwise you could be tracking 030 from anywhere and thus not guaranteeing you obstacle clearance. The charts clearly show the missed approach track originating from the MAP. This is evidenced by comparing an NDB approach with the VOR approach at the same aerodrome. eg MEK. The MA track is depicted as originating from its respective aid. If you're not tracking from the aid it would normally give you a height to reach before the turn.
But if someone can clarify the BLN Sector A GPS arrival missed approach?? "Climb on track to 2400'. At 1000' turn as appropriate track 030 from BLN NDB" ??
But if someone can clarify the BLN Sector A GPS arrival missed approach?? "Climb on track to 2400'. At 1000' turn as appropriate track 030 from BLN NDB" ??
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Missed Approach Procedures begin at the Missed Approach Point (MAPT). "Track 120" etc means a ground track (ie DR corrected for wind) of 120, from the MAPT. If the procedure requires a track to intercept an aid radial, it will say "turn left track 040 to intercept the 120 VOR radial", or "turn left and track 040 ref the VOR or NDB"
If you have totally cocked the approach, before the MAPT, then you climb while still tracking to the MAPT, before commencing the missed app procedure. If you are doing a missed app because you have lost azimuth (ie the aid has shagged it) then you climb on track (DR) to the MAPT and do the missed app.
If you have totally cocked the approach, before the MAPT, then you climb while still tracking to the MAPT, before commencing the missed app procedure. If you are doing a missed app because you have lost azimuth (ie the aid has shagged it) then you climb on track (DR) to the MAPT and do the missed app.
Jamair,
So, just to clarify what you and everyone are saying...
Let's look at the Kempsey NDB RWY 22 approach.
KMP RWY 22 NDB (PDF)
In the missed approach from overhead the NDB are we turning LEFT to TRACK 090 or are we turning FURTHER left of 090 to intercept the 090 track outbound from KMP? Because if as you say it's track 090 from the MAPt, that would make it the latter of tracking 090 from the NDB.
So, just to clarify what you and everyone are saying...
Let's look at the Kempsey NDB RWY 22 approach.
KMP RWY 22 NDB (PDF)
In the missed approach from overhead the NDB are we turning LEFT to TRACK 090 or are we turning FURTHER left of 090 to intercept the 090 track outbound from KMP? Because if as you say it's track 090 from the MAPt, that would make it the latter of tracking 090 from the NDB.
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Clarification
Jamair and Wing Root make a good point,
I should claraify that when i said "tracking with reference to the VOR/NDB" I meant that in the case where the MAPt is the VOR/NDB.
For approaches like,
Maitland GPS Arrival the MAPt is D2.3 WMD VOR and therefore the Missed Appraoch Track is a DR track form D2.3 WMD out at 270
or
Phillip Island NDB or VOR, again the MAPt is 5.0nm from the CWS VOR/NDB and therefore the missed approach track of 180 is from that point.
I should claraify that when i said "tracking with reference to the VOR/NDB" I meant that in the case where the MAPt is the VOR/NDB.
For approaches like,
Maitland GPS Arrival the MAPt is D2.3 WMD VOR and therefore the Missed Appraoch Track is a DR track form D2.3 WMD out at 270
or
Phillip Island NDB or VOR, again the MAPt is 5.0nm from the CWS VOR/NDB and therefore the missed approach track of 180 is from that point.
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G'day Iron Maiden, For my first post.
The KMP RWY 22 NDB is a DR track, not a track from the aid. You can see that this is depicted quite clearly on the chart. As opposed to this;
http://www.airservices.gov.au/public...CGNB02-102.pdf
where the missed approach track is clearly from the aid.
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The KMP RWY 22 NDB is a DR track, not a track from the aid. You can see that this is depicted quite clearly on the chart. As opposed to this;
http://www.airservices.gov.au/public...CGNB02-102.pdf
where the missed approach track is clearly from the aid.
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Jamair is right onto it (as usual).... 
Wing Root wrote:
The wording on the DAP's can sometimes lead to some thinking that, but usually a quick look at the visual depiction of the concept of that individual Missed Approach proceedure will set you straight again. The difference between the KMP one you've used there Wing Root, and the CG one Black81 has also used is a case in point/there to be seen. The only other issue that people get confused with as well is the difference between tracking over the ground (ie: flying a heading with allowance made for known wind) v's tracking from an aid. ENR 1.5 Para 1.22.1 refers.
The concept of the Missed Approach as depicted in AIP ENR 1.5-1.10.2 should possibly be expanded to avoid questions or mis-understandings like the above. We are all human and interpret the same words in different ways.
Wing Root wrote:
In the missed approach from overhead the NDB are we turning LEFT to TRACK 090....
Yes. The text simply says: "turn left, track 090, climb to 3400", not: "turn left, intercept the 090 track, climb to 3400".
...or are we turning FURTHER left of 090 to intercept the 090 track outbound from KMP?
No, not in this case.
....Because if as you say it's track 090 from the MAPt, that would make it the latter of tracking 090 from the NDB.
Yes. The text simply says: "turn left, track 090, climb to 3400", not: "turn left, intercept the 090 track, climb to 3400".
...or are we turning FURTHER left of 090 to intercept the 090 track outbound from KMP?
No, not in this case.
....Because if as you say it's track 090 from the MAPt, that would make it the latter of tracking 090 from the NDB.
The concept of the Missed Approach as depicted in AIP ENR 1.5-1.10.2 should possibly be expanded to avoid questions or mis-understandings like the above. We are all human and interpret the same words in different ways.
Last edited by OpsNormal; 18th Aug 2007 at 00:20.
OpsNormal,
So it would seem the answer to The Iron Maiden's original question would be "It depends on the diagram"
Although looking into it further the missed approach instructions are subtly different for the two examples. For KMP it says
TURN LEFT, TRACK 090. CLIMB TO 3400FT.
As for the Gold Coast example it simply says
TRACK 360, CLIMB TO 3500FT
Am I reading too much into the fact that the Gold Coast procedure omits the instruction to TURN RIGHT and hence this particular procedure requires an interception of the 360 outbound?
So it would seem the answer to The Iron Maiden's original question would be "It depends on the diagram"
Although looking into it further the missed approach instructions are subtly different for the two examples. For KMP it says
TURN LEFT, TRACK 090. CLIMB TO 3400FT.
As for the Gold Coast example it simply says
TRACK 360, CLIMB TO 3500FT
Am I reading too much into the fact that the Gold Coast procedure omits the instruction to TURN RIGHT and hence this particular procedure requires an interception of the 360 outbound?
Your reading WAY too much into this.
1) Take a look at the ADELAIDE NDB Appr into Parafield (first one I came across).
The Appr MAP is about half way between Adelaide and Parafield.
MISSED APCH: Turn LEFT, track 270. Climb to 3000'.
There is clearly NO intention for you to intercept anything.
It assumes that having flown the Appr that you will have some idea of the wind and therefore should be able to make a reasonable job of laying off some drift from a heading of 270 if required, in order to make good a track of 270.
2) In the case of the Gold Coast NDB / VOR, you would hang a left onto 090 and do your best to make good a track of 090 while on climb to 3500.
3) In the case of KMP above you would hang a left onto 090 and make good a track of 090 from where you are on completion of the turn. You DO NOT have to make good a track of 090 from the NDB.
4) Take a look at Cairns NDB-A or VOR-A
MISSED APCH: Turn LEFT, intercept and track CS VOR R-045 (045 bearing from CS NDB), climb to 4000 or as directed by ATC.
Pretty clear there what you are expected to do!
Dr
1) Take a look at the ADELAIDE NDB Appr into Parafield (first one I came across).
The Appr MAP is about half way between Adelaide and Parafield.
MISSED APCH: Turn LEFT, track 270. Climb to 3000'.
There is clearly NO intention for you to intercept anything.
It assumes that having flown the Appr that you will have some idea of the wind and therefore should be able to make a reasonable job of laying off some drift from a heading of 270 if required, in order to make good a track of 270.
2) In the case of the Gold Coast NDB / VOR, you would hang a left onto 090 and do your best to make good a track of 090 while on climb to 3500.
3) In the case of KMP above you would hang a left onto 090 and make good a track of 090 from where you are on completion of the turn. You DO NOT have to make good a track of 090 from the NDB.
4) Take a look at Cairns NDB-A or VOR-A
MISSED APCH: Turn LEFT, intercept and track CS VOR R-045 (045 bearing from CS NDB), climb to 4000 or as directed by ATC.
Pretty clear there what you are expected to do!
Dr
Last edited by ForkTailedDrKiller; 18th Aug 2007 at 04:45.
FTDK,
You have basically summed up my views before I read this thread. I think everyone is agreed that to fly the KMP NDB approach you don't need to track outbound on the NDB during the missed approach.
For me the issue now is how much do we read into diagrams like the Gold Coast one above where the missed approach track clearly showes a dead straight line from the aid when there is quite a significant heading change required. After some of the replies above I'm not sure what the answer is now.
You have basically summed up my views before I read this thread. I think everyone is agreed that to fly the KMP NDB approach you don't need to track outbound on the NDB during the missed approach.
For me the issue now is how much do we read into diagrams like the Gold Coast one above where the missed approach track clearly showes a dead straight line from the aid when there is quite a significant heading change required. After some of the replies above I'm not sure what the answer is now.
"For me the issue now is how much do we read into diagrams like the Gold Coast one above where the missed approach track clearly showes a dead straight line from the aid when there is quite a significant heading change required"
MISSED APCH: Track 360. Climb to 350'.
There is NO confusion here! The fact that the 360 track line on the Jepp appears to be straight off the VOR is just a co-incidence.
Hold the MDA until you get a clear indication of station passage, start the missed Appr then turn right onto a heading (initially) of 360, correct that for known wind in order to make good a track over the ground of 360, climb to 3500.
There is absolutely NO need for more precise tracking relative to the aid cause - there's nothing out there but water!
Unlike Cairns (for example), where if you don't get the drift right you could go outside the safely parameters of the Missed Approach, and you might hit something.
Dr
MISSED APCH: Track 360. Climb to 350'.
There is NO confusion here! The fact that the 360 track line on the Jepp appears to be straight off the VOR is just a co-incidence.
Hold the MDA until you get a clear indication of station passage, start the missed Appr then turn right onto a heading (initially) of 360, correct that for known wind in order to make good a track over the ground of 360, climb to 3500.
There is absolutely NO need for more precise tracking relative to the aid cause - there's nothing out there but water!
Unlike Cairns (for example), where if you don't get the drift right you could go outside the safely parameters of the Missed Approach, and you might hit something.
Dr
Last edited by ForkTailedDrKiller; 18th Aug 2007 at 08:42.
FTDK is spot on the money.
Terrain separation in the missed approach procedures allow for a delay in the initial turn, the turn itself and then the track - so the missed approach splay designers use can get quite large after adding the tolerance of all those in.
Terrain separation in the missed approach procedures allow for a delay in the initial turn, the turn itself and then the track - so the missed approach splay designers use can get quite large after adding the tolerance of all those in.
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The missed approach track allows for a turn after missed approach point. Whether it is then a DR track or nav aid track depends on the chart.
Compare these two charts; the 05 VOR specifies that you need to track on the 042 radial.
AD 12 VOR: http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...ADVO03-106.pdf
AD 05 VOR: http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...ADVO01-106.pdf
If it doesn't specify a radial/bearing, it's a DR track... no need to turn further and 're-intercept'. Have a look at PANS-OPS.. the terrain/obstacle considerations for missed approaches reflect this.
The EDN ILS is a classic example of how navaid tracking in the missed approach isn't required.
http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...EDII01-109.pdf
The chart doesn't show a further turn to intercept a track of 340... further, what would you track on? its an ILS... its not as if you can track on the 340 LLZ track.
the only other civilian aid is the ndb, and there is no mention of 'ndb required' or anything like that.
DP
Compare these two charts; the 05 VOR specifies that you need to track on the 042 radial.
AD 12 VOR: http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...ADVO03-106.pdf
AD 05 VOR: http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...ADVO01-106.pdf
If it doesn't specify a radial/bearing, it's a DR track... no need to turn further and 're-intercept'. Have a look at PANS-OPS.. the terrain/obstacle considerations for missed approaches reflect this.
The EDN ILS is a classic example of how navaid tracking in the missed approach isn't required.
http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...EDII01-109.pdf
The chart doesn't show a further turn to intercept a track of 340... further, what would you track on? its an ILS... its not as if you can track on the 340 LLZ track.
the only other civilian aid is the ndb, and there is no mention of 'ndb required' or anything like that. DP
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Sorry to drag this back up.
YSBK 11C NDB
So for this missed approach "when established on track 300" effectively/practiaclly means once you've rolled out on your drift heading?
Why do the MAPts appear to vary by 0.1NM between the plan and profile diagrams?
On a similar note when a procedure turn is required during the approach, I believe I'm correct in saying that it is not intended to intercept that track from the aid, only to turn onto a drift heading (DR track) immediately after passing over the navigation aid or fix. Confirm? I find Jepps more confusing in this regard as they often draw straight lines from the aid.
YSBK 11C NDB
So for this missed approach "when established on track 300" effectively/practiaclly means once you've rolled out on your drift heading?
Why do the MAPts appear to vary by 0.1NM between the plan and profile diagrams?
On a similar note when a procedure turn is required during the approach, I believe I'm correct in saying that it is not intended to intercept that track from the aid, only to turn onto a drift heading (DR track) immediately after passing over the navigation aid or fix. Confirm? I find Jepps more confusing in this regard as they often draw straight lines from the aid.
"So for this missed approach "when established on track 300" effectively/practiaclly means once you've rolled out on your drift heading?"
Yes, turn left to make good a track of 300 degrees.
"Why do the MAPts appear to vary by 0.1NM between the plan and profile diagrams?"
Can't see it! On my chart (Jepp) the MAP is 11.6 nm from the SY DME on both the plan and the profile.
"when a procedure turn is required during the approach .... it is not intended to intercept that track from the aid, only to turn onto a drift heading (DR track) immediately after passing over the navigation aid or fix"
If my interpretation of your question is correct, Yes!
But I am not entirely sure I have the question right. Give us a "fur'instance" chart!
Dr
Yes, turn left to make good a track of 300 degrees.
"Why do the MAPts appear to vary by 0.1NM between the plan and profile diagrams?"
Can't see it! On my chart (Jepp) the MAP is 11.6 nm from the SY DME on both the plan and the profile.
"when a procedure turn is required during the approach .... it is not intended to intercept that track from the aid, only to turn onto a drift heading (DR track) immediately after passing over the navigation aid or fix"
If my interpretation of your question is correct, Yes!
But I am not entirely sure I have the question right. Give us a "fur'instance" chart!
Dr
The concept of the Missed Approach as depicted in AIP ENR 1.5-1.10.2 should possibly be expanded to avoid questions or mis-understandings like the above. We are all human and interpret the same words in different ways
For example: Asked the meaning or interpretation of the terminology "TEMPO", the candidate from Australia defined the term as described in AIP with regard to one hour's holding fuel. The Asian airline interview board were nonplussed - they had never heard of TEMPO in terms of fuel. One board member said to the candidate that the airline already had 30 minutes of holding fuel aboard (In Australia we call it Fixed Reserve, a term unheard of overseas)
So if you have an overseas interview coming up, make sure you first swot up local aviation terminology. In the case described above, the candidate was unsuccessful as he quoted all the correct AIP type answers except he used Australian AIP - not the local AIP.
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I have another interesting situation...
Where is the MAP on an ILS? I always thought it was at the DA, and that the MAP shown is for the LLZ approach.
If that is the case, if you elect to carry out a missed approach from halfway down the ILS (out of tolerance or whatever), how do you first track to your MAP before following the missed app. procedure?
Where is the MAP on an ILS? I always thought it was at the DA, and that the MAP shown is for the LLZ approach.
If that is the case, if you elect to carry out a missed approach from halfway down the ILS (out of tolerance or whatever), how do you first track to your MAP before following the missed app. procedure?
Arrr, That is correct... the MAP on the charts is for the LLZ approach, use the DA for the ILS.
If ye be electin to discontinue the ILS (Missed Approach), then ye'll be losing your vertical guidance (glidepath), so it becomes a LLZ Missed Approach, in which case ye shall track to the MAP (usually the Middle Marker) via the Localiser, at which time ye'll continue the missed approach as per the chart. (Climb and track as required)
That be all from me, I be off to pillage!
Yarr!
If ye be electin to discontinue the ILS (Missed Approach), then ye'll be losing your vertical guidance (glidepath), so it becomes a LLZ Missed Approach, in which case ye shall track to the MAP (usually the Middle Marker) via the Localiser, at which time ye'll continue the missed approach as per the chart. (Climb and track as required)
That be all from me, I be off to pillage!
Yarr!