Where's my new ASIC?
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Where's my new ASIC?
I have just noticed that my ASIC expires at the end of this month. Anyone else in the same boat and have you received your new ASIC? Should I be contacting CASA?
Here we go again......the 6 month wait starts again!
Here we go again......the 6 month wait starts again!
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Yep same boat too and get this the checks have to be done AGAIN!! Which means at the $130 price, even though you hold a valid FCLID!! Also if you want to get it at the cheaper price of $95 (I think), you have to submit your renewal before the expired month but that will mean you will lose that month and the new ASIC will go on from the month of submission. Stop 
us around!!
us around!!
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Ahhh I see....
The form is bloody confusing nowhere does it note a cost if already hold a ASIC. Screw it I'm going the $95 buck option. Was anyone told about this renewal? I would have thought that I would have got a reminder notice. Man these beauracrats piss me off!
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Mine expired last month. I managed to get the boss to cough up for a new one - 'cept we went thru SYD airport rather than CASA. Sent my old one back to CASA but yet to hear anything saaying they actually got the thing.....
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Mine ran out end of May, and no they don't issue reminders, I guess they figure its says the expiry date in big print on the card. So I guess they have a point.
As for the process......its start all over again, as if you never had one at all. I still do not have mine and I reckon it will not be here untill July some time.
This needs fixing, they should be able to streamline this and reduce the cost and time required, surely the AFP have you on file from the previous checks, surely they can very very quickly run a check.........maybe us outsiders do not appreciate what is involved.
I hope Dick has this on his list of things to bring up in Canberra!
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As for the process......its start all over again, as if you never had one at all. I still do not have mine and I reckon it will not be here untill July some time.
This needs fixing, they should be able to streamline this and reduce the cost and time required, surely the AFP have you on file from the previous checks, surely they can very very quickly run a check.........maybe us outsiders do not appreciate what is involved.
I hope Dick has this on his list of things to bring up in Canberra!
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Mine ran out at the end of May, I took the initiative to send in the papers and the fee 6 weeks prior, I wasn't expecting a renewal form. I sent it in, they sent it back for no reason, so it was late and my ASIC expired and I was in the sh**. That was nice of them.
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they sent mine back because one of the photocopies (drivers Lic) was not endorsed by the JP.
Ohh well just coz its the same photocopy from last time on the file would not matter, and....yes not every I was dotted
A renewal system folks.....hey you out there at DOTARS take note, we should be able to do a renewal application online in 5 minutes. now there is a tip for free!
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Ohh well just coz its the same photocopy from last time on the file would not matter, and....yes not every I was dotted
A renewal system folks.....hey you out there at DOTARS take note, we should be able to do a renewal application online in 5 minutes. now there is a tip for free!
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ASICS are a waste of time anyway, will not or never prevent unauthorized access. I can wander on to a lot of Airfields even in Capital cities and not see a soul for ages. Very few people actuallly check them anyway unless its another set of pencil pushing CASA types doing one of their checks. An easily made fake that was under your plastic pouch in your Hi Vis Vest would not be able to be distinguished from a real one anyway. Hell I know people that have swapped Asics for a day and never been questioned! haha Its a complete Joke.
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Yeah mine had expired end of May so when I went to LRE for the B707 arrival I had mine on anyway, nobody questiond the 10 day difference, of course I had to hang around the FTDK all weekend
so he could cover for me
But good news, the world is now a safer place, for my new one arrived in the mail today!!!!! Have to say CASA did very well indeed. Thats probably about 4 weeks, I do not recall exactly, but much better than 8 weeks. Some of you folk must have very suspicous backgrounds that need more checking
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so he could cover for meBut good news, the world is now a safer place, for my new one arrived in the mail today!!!!! Have to say CASA did very well indeed. Thats probably about 4 weeks, I do not recall exactly, but much better than 8 weeks. Some of you folk must have very suspicous backgrounds that need more checking
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Be vewy vewy careful were hunting wabbits
AoA - tread carefully my friend, I was 'ramped' by two gum chewing, mirror-sunnied morons at a capital city apron who waited for me to off load a patient/ambo and simply said "show us your ASIC" - yep just 4 words - which was in full view on my shirt. Niether had an ASIC on show - twas tempted to do the "show me yours and I'll show you mine" but just wanted them out of my face.
I wonder if the contempt from these people would have been the same if I had just off loaded one of their sick loved ones.....
I wonder if the contempt from these people would have been the same if I had just off loaded one of their sick loved ones.....
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For those who are not aware, you do not need to get your ASIC through CASA. Just about every certified AD which is a security controlled airport is also an ASIC issuing authority. Some may be a little anal about it and selfishly only process the cards for employees and pilots based on their airports. Others will happily do it for you. The good thing is, you are dealing directly with the issueing authority. Going through CASA only puts an extra unnecessary bureaucratic layer into the process. One of the biggest delays in getting the ASICs issued is the AFP clearance but as soon as AUSCHECK comes on line in about September, the whole process should speed up to be turned around in about 5 working days max.
As already said before, you do not renew your ASIC. When it expires, it has the value of the plastic that it is made from. The whole process is repeated again with the only difference being that the police check portion of the cost reduces from $49 down to $36. Issuing Authorites will probably charge the same though and pocket the difference.
Finally, please do not take advice from CASA on where an ASIC is and is not required. They clearly do not know what is required. If you are going to a security controlled airport, you need an ASIC period. The old AVID is worthless. You cannot operate as PIC on an airports Visitors ID card because the ability for you to be directly supervised is removed once you lock yourself in your aircraft. If you think this is a frustrating waste of time as a pilot, try being an AD operator having to manage and enforce this crap.
MuffinMan,
I especially appreciate your frustration too. There are so many issues that arise with aeromedical flights and patients that were not considered in the drafting of the ATSRs. But sadly the way it stands at the moment you not only have to have your ASIC but if you are departing from the airside security zone you also have to comply with screening requirements. I posed that very scenario to DOTARS some time back and asked "what have we achieved" their response was - "well we stuffed a pilot around for a while"
I'm not sure whether he meant that as a joke or to in some way acknowledge the futility of the whole thing.
As already said before, you do not renew your ASIC. When it expires, it has the value of the plastic that it is made from. The whole process is repeated again with the only difference being that the police check portion of the cost reduces from $49 down to $36. Issuing Authorites will probably charge the same though and pocket the difference.
Finally, please do not take advice from CASA on where an ASIC is and is not required. They clearly do not know what is required. If you are going to a security controlled airport, you need an ASIC period. The old AVID is worthless. You cannot operate as PIC on an airports Visitors ID card because the ability for you to be directly supervised is removed once you lock yourself in your aircraft. If you think this is a frustrating waste of time as a pilot, try being an AD operator having to manage and enforce this crap.
MuffinMan,
I especially appreciate your frustration too. There are so many issues that arise with aeromedical flights and patients that were not considered in the drafting of the ATSRs. But sadly the way it stands at the moment you not only have to have your ASIC but if you are departing from the airside security zone you also have to comply with screening requirements. I posed that very scenario to DOTARS some time back and asked "what have we achieved" their response was - "well we stuffed a pilot around for a while"
I'm not sure whether he meant that as a joke or to in some way acknowledge the futility of the whole thing.
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Opinion noted Muffinman, but I am not saying I wandering around without my ASIC just that hardly ever anyone checks it. If any Goons with no ASIC asked me for mine I would not comply unless they showed me theirs (or any other qualification ID appropriate) simple and that is quite within the law, I have done it before when a temporary security guy who didnt even have one required me to show it, and I told him where to go and call in the manager which he did. No one can ask me to provide security documents unless I see theirs, Easy Peezy Lemon Squeezie. How do you know some idiot sunglass wearing indoors Goons couldnt be just using that as a cover to somehow show they are in some authority?? They could be any fool that have wandered in one of the well known holes in fences around our so called secure Airports!
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AoA,
Couldn't agree more with that approach and I think it bloody hypocritical for anyone to be walking around airside checking for ASICs without displaying appriate ID themselves. ATSRs though do prescribe for certain classes of people to be airside without displaying an ASIC. This includes aviation security officers who may or may not be wearing uniform. Regardless, a bit of courtesy goes a long way rather than the jackbooted "I'm security and what I say goes" approach.
If any Goons with no ASIC asked me for mine I would not comply unless they showed me theirs (or any other qualification ID appropriate) simple and that is quite within the law, I have done it before when a temporary security guy who didnt even have one required me to show it, and I told him where to go and call in the manager which he did.