A job with only 200 hours? Am I dreaming...
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A job with only 200 hours? Am I dreaming...
After the last question I've decided its going to be NT and WA where I should be searching for my first job, however what will do you think will be the bare essentials for landing some work? I dont care about pay as long as its not costing me money to be there...
As it stands I'll be arriving with:
Not much over 200hours
Dangerous Goods
NVFR
10-15 hours in a C206
So what do you think? Will anyone actually employ me or should i try and build more hours first?
Thanks, Mark
As it stands I'll be arriving with:
Not much over 200hours
Dangerous Goods
NVFR
10-15 hours in a C206
So what do you think? Will anyone actually employ me or should i try and build more hours first?
Thanks, Mark
Mark, we all had 200 hours once, and even 30 years later we are all still dreamers.
To address your specific questions, there are no specific answers.....
Regarding getting more hours, well that depends at what rate you can accumulate them where you are. If you are able to get 6-8 hours a week parachute dropping and earn a reasonable income in some other field, then sit tight. If you are unable to get further hours without paying for them, yet able to turn your hand to a range of other jobs then maybe you would be better off "on site" to await a vacancy with an NT operator.
Regarding whether or not someone will employ you, aviation is no different to any other field; attitude is just as important as licences and experience.
I've sent you a PM too with a possible lead.
Good luck.
To address your specific questions, there are no specific answers.....
Regarding getting more hours, well that depends at what rate you can accumulate them where you are. If you are able to get 6-8 hours a week parachute dropping and earn a reasonable income in some other field, then sit tight. If you are unable to get further hours without paying for them, yet able to turn your hand to a range of other jobs then maybe you would be better off "on site" to await a vacancy with an NT operator.
Regarding whether or not someone will employ you, aviation is no different to any other field; attitude is just as important as licences and experience.
I've sent you a PM too with a possible lead.
Good luck.
And just to clarify something....
I hope you DO care about whether or not you're going to be paid PROPERLY, and not be undercutting others in the industry, 
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Always need to be careful when you post things like that. It pi$$es a lot of people off when you're kinda declaring you'll work for less than you're legally worth at least.
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I dont care about pay as long as its not costing me money to be there...
.Always need to be careful when you post things like that. It pi$$es a lot of people off when you're kinda declaring you'll work for less than you're legally worth at least.
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Try a cattle station.They pay you and provide you with food and accomodation.Hard work when not flying as you will be a station hand,a laborer,however the hours stack up quickly.My excuse for staying away from laboring was cleaning the aircraft for hours on end after hours of low level flying.
Quite a few jobs if you know where to look.Get a directory that lists cattle stations and call them up.Showing up if you can afford it might just put you in ahead of the game.
Hard work but it teaches you a thing or two about life skills and how to get on with people from all walks of life.Recommend it strongly.
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Quite a few jobs if you know where to look.Get a directory that lists cattle stations and call them up.Showing up if you can afford it might just put you in ahead of the game.
Hard work but it teaches you a thing or two about life skills and how to get on with people from all walks of life.Recommend it strongly.
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I was in your boat about six months ago. There is no need to worry, just get your resume together, get in your car and make yourself known. If there isn't anything available today, chances are you will get a call within a month or so.
Meat bombing is probably not the best way to start - a mate of mine went down that path. He ended up doing a lot of waiting and it ended up costing him money.
Meat bombing is probably not the best way to start - a mate of mine went down that path. He ended up doing a lot of waiting and it ended up costing him money.
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No probs
I had 225 hrs, a NVFR and no time in 200 series when I got to Broome... Worked at the Cable Beach club for 3 months and got work, had a ball and launched me into some exciting jobs after that.
I see places in Kunnas even advertising on AFAP now, so with your time, you will have no probs at all ON PAPER - esp with the 200 series time...
I say on paper because with no experience - as most will have looking for that first job- it will come down to other things... The most important of which is the type of person you are, your attitude and most importantly, your ATTITUDE... Be not a bad idea to develop a good one now, coz its a real pain dealing with people in multi crew flying now that have a bad one...
Your attitude will make or break your chances... that and a bit of persistance.
Go up there to enjoy it and not to use it to launch your airline career... Funny thing is tho, if you do that, the experience you get up there will, without you doing too much work, automatically launch your airline career anyway... esp in this day and age.
Good luck mate
I see places in Kunnas even advertising on AFAP now, so with your time, you will have no probs at all ON PAPER - esp with the 200 series time...
I say on paper because with no experience - as most will have looking for that first job- it will come down to other things... The most important of which is the type of person you are, your attitude and most importantly, your ATTITUDE... Be not a bad idea to develop a good one now, coz its a real pain dealing with people in multi crew flying now that have a bad one...
Your attitude will make or break your chances... that and a bit of persistance.
Go up there to enjoy it and not to use it to launch your airline career... Funny thing is tho, if you do that, the experience you get up there will, without you doing too much work, automatically launch your airline career anyway... esp in this day and age.
Good luck mate
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In my opinion meat bombing is a good way of getting familiar on type. For some reason people don't like bombers so its best not to spend too much time doing it just get a decent number of hours on the type and head off. As a result its really not worth it if your only in a 172 or something that its not often found in the industry.
It is good fun, a lot better than just a scenic flight (plus usually take longer) and usually there is an operation close to home. But often you don't get paid much if any (and when people find out you have worked for nothing they pretty much hate you.)
It is good fun, a lot better than just a scenic flight (plus usually take longer) and usually there is an operation close to home. But often you don't get paid much if any (and when people find out you have worked for nothing they pretty much hate you.)
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Hi Mark,
If you can afford it, look at an instructor rating. Previous threads speak of some good opportunities so it is worth considering. If you go down this path look at a good school to complete your FIR- preferably with a lot of work. Although you will not earn a fortune you will accumulate those much needed hours and if you find the right school will be able to obtain your ME-CIR as well.
You may only work weekends to start with (thats how I started) but it will pick up soon enough.
Best of luck Mark and remember: Keep the shiny side up!
If you can afford it, look at an instructor rating. Previous threads speak of some good opportunities so it is worth considering. If you go down this path look at a good school to complete your FIR- preferably with a lot of work. Although you will not earn a fortune you will accumulate those much needed hours and if you find the right school will be able to obtain your ME-CIR as well.
You may only work weekends to start with (thats how I started) but it will pick up soon enough.
Best of luck Mark and remember: Keep the shiny side up!
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Mark,
Do not spend one more cent gathering hours ect.
Go to WA. Its a boom state and the opportunities are there to be had. Start off wih the best place (for your life and career) and work your way down. The best place being Broome and the worst being east coast parachute outfit. 10 years ago the advice was to go to the worst place but times have changed. You only make your life harder by going to the worst place you can find.
In your shoes i'd start in Broome and work my way around WA before doing the NT.
Oh yeah, don't work or free. If they can't afford or are not willing to pay you properly you will also find that they will tend to carry this trait into other areas of the operation...get the picture?
I had 200 hrs in an era when opportunities were few and far between. It took me about 10 months on the road but evenually i cracked that all important first job.
Good luck.
Do not spend one more cent gathering hours ect.
Go to WA. Its a boom state and the opportunities are there to be had. Start off wih the best place (for your life and career) and work your way down. The best place being Broome and the worst being east coast parachute outfit. 10 years ago the advice was to go to the worst place but times have changed. You only make your life harder by going to the worst place you can find.
In your shoes i'd start in Broome and work my way around WA before doing the NT.
Oh yeah, don't work or free. If they can't afford or are not willing to pay you properly you will also find that they will tend to carry this trait into other areas of the operation...get the picture?
I had 200 hrs in an era when opportunities were few and far between. It took me about 10 months on the road but evenually i cracked that all important first job.
Good luck.
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a lot better than just a scenic flight (plus usually take longer)
Sorry Fhead, but in my mind, and its not that big, your wasting yr time with the majority of those crooks that take hung over tourists skydiving in often questionabke wx and have equally questionable pay and conditions not to mention maintenance...
Its hard to explain to someone who hasnt been remote, and Im not at all saying its any better than staying in a city and instructing (horses for courses), but you really can miss out on a great slice of fun if you dont get up there and experience it... Grab life by the balls and get going.
No need to stuff around with unpaid work, parachute dropping, whale shark spotting or dodgy private flying...
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Do NOT work for nothing.
The first person who did that started the rot, don't be one to compound it. As has already been said you will upset a lot of people and it's a small world.
On the positive side at your level of experience you need to be thinking about offering something in addition to your flying skills. Even if it's only a positive attitude emphasise it. It will count.
Once you get the job, enjoy it. If you're not enjoying it something's wrong.
Good luck!
The first person who did that started the rot, don't be one to compound it. As has already been said you will upset a lot of people and it's a small world.
On the positive side at your level of experience you need to be thinking about offering something in addition to your flying skills. Even if it's only a positive attitude emphasise it. It will count.
Once you get the job, enjoy it. If you're not enjoying it something's wrong.
Good luck!
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200? I saw guys get jobs with 175 and 180 hours respectively back in 1999 and things were no where near as bouyant as they are now!
It certainly can be done and now is the time!
But don't wait, cause sure as the pendulum swings, it will eventually swing the other way!
Cheers, HH.
It certainly can be done and now is the time!
But don't wait, cause sure as the pendulum swings, it will eventually swing the other way!
Cheers, HH.
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Dude, your hours are very low and you will find it very difficult to find a job, unless you are very very lucky! At the moment there is an instructor shortage and lots of flying schools are screaming for instructors. So I suggest you do an instructor rating and try to get a job with one of those busy flying cadet training schools to increase you’re flying hours and experience. Do you have an instrument rating? Once you start working as an instructor you can part time finish off your instrument rating so you could get into a charter company and quickly progress into a twin job.
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Rubbish.
200 hrs and a good attitude to hard work, persistence and learning is all you need.
People will always tell you it can't be done. That applies to them not you.
Just nod your head, ignore them, jump back in the car and drive to the next place.
Ignore people that try to tell you that you need more high wing time ect ect. It's all rubbish and just a big scam.
200 hrs and a good attitude to hard work, persistence and learning is all you need.
People will always tell you it can't be done. That applies to them not you.
Just nod your head, ignore them, jump back in the car and drive to the next place.
Ignore people that try to tell you that you need more high wing time ect ect. It's all rubbish and just a big scam.
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Attitude is important, if you've got a good head on your shoulders you should be right. Express common sense, that may sound like a given, but the funny thing about common sense is it's not that common. I was in your boat late last year, found a job and after 6 months I have got enough hours to be in a good position for a next job. I have got just under 100 twin command now and am loving life in GA............peace out JB
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Hi, Thanks for all the replys. Some really useful tips there...
From what people are saying I think I'll start in WA and drive the country looking for that first break. Cant wait actually sounds like a challenge but a bloody exciting one at that!
Just to clarify, as far as 'dont care what I get paid', wasnt meant to sound as though I'd be working for nothing, just that I am realistic and understand that aviation is all about working your way up and not to be expecting the big bucks from day one. Thats all, didn't mean to get any noses out of joint...
Thanks again, Mark
From what people are saying I think I'll start in WA and drive the country looking for that first break. Cant wait actually sounds like a challenge but a bloody exciting one at that!
Just to clarify, as far as 'dont care what I get paid', wasnt meant to sound as though I'd be working for nothing, just that I am realistic and understand that aviation is all about working your way up and not to be expecting the big bucks from day one. Thats all, didn't mean to get any noses out of joint...
Thanks again, Mark
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wasnt meant to sound as though I'd be working for nothing, just that I am realistic and understand that aviation is all about working your way up and not to be expecting the big bucks from day one. Thats all, didn't mean to get any noses out of joint...
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hogespa28,
I am in a very similar position to you experience-wise. I have 230 odd total hours, including 90 twin hours. NZ CPL, MEIFR, and dangerous goods etc.. just finished my training, but I'm in NZ.
Upon reading yours and others posts it sounds that OZ seems the place to be/go for a job. Is that so? If so I might have to head o'er there myself sometime soon.
Would be interested to hear how you get on?
I am in a very similar position to you experience-wise. I have 230 odd total hours, including 90 twin hours. NZ CPL, MEIFR, and dangerous goods etc.. just finished my training, but I'm in NZ.
Upon reading yours and others posts it sounds that OZ seems the place to be/go for a job. Is that so? If so I might have to head o'er there myself sometime soon.
Would be interested to hear how you get on?