YSBK: Another aircraft down but safe
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YSBK: Another aircraft down but safe
bit of action around lately. I watched from mid downwind as a Jaberoo (sp) had engine trouble departing ysbk towards PSP, turned around, then appeared to have complete engine failure and force landed into warrick farm. Made a nice approach, few S turns then smoothly onto the race track.
If the pilot reads this, would like to commend him on keeping completely cool which would have been very reassuring to his student in that stressful situation. Very professional.
Anyone know where the aircraft went? When I got back from my sortie the aircraft was gone?
If the pilot reads this, would like to commend him on keeping completely cool which would have been very reassuring to his student in that stressful situation. Very professional.
Anyone know where the aircraft went? When I got back from my sortie the aircraft was gone?
Glad to hear they're ok.
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An Aerocommander AC500 that crashed Hobart-Devonport in February 2004. Inflight breakup, pretty much an inconclusive report. Check it out http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...200400610.aspx these types scare the bejesus out of me... not knowing why. They said either mountain wave activity; pilot incapacitation or autopilot upset as both trim tabs were in the full nose down position.
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Hi All
Heared a "rumour" today that when the instructor got back to the flight school (after being checked out by the medics) He was sacked on the spot!!!!
Anybody like to comment? By the looks of it he did an excellent job!
The OJP
Heared a "rumour" today that when the instructor got back to the flight school (after being checked out by the medics) He was sacked on the spot!!!!
Anybody like to comment? By the looks of it he did an excellent job!
The OJP
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I bloody well hope not, I believe he did a fantastic job to get the aircraft down. I dont think i'd be half as calm as he faced with the same situation. I might wander over tomorrow and inquire.
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There's a rumour getting around that the aircraft may have run out of fuel...
If it did, I would not be surprised. The fuel gauge's in the J160 Jabiru are a shocker and only work when the aircraft is stationary, if at all. Rather than use them from the bottom up, ie, if it's empty add 50 litres, you need to go from the top down; ie. have it full when you start, then count backwards for your endurance. I hope that makes sense. Once it's below half there's no guarantee that you know how much is in there.
If it did, I would not be surprised. The fuel gauge's in the J160 Jabiru are a shocker and only work when the aircraft is stationary, if at all. Rather than use them from the bottom up, ie, if it's empty add 50 litres, you need to go from the top down; ie. have it full when you start, then count backwards for your endurance. I hope that makes sense. Once it's below half there's no guarantee that you know how much is in there.
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Pulleasssseeeeee!!!!!
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Come on mate!!!!! Every aircraft has its little quirks, and with the Jabiru the fuel tank gauges usually read less in flight than actual, from the suction being drawn from the gauge (sight glass). I ought to know I own one and although its the BIG brother of them the gauges are much the same.
So if you run out in flight (after takeoff) you can not blame the gauges. In flight you may read up to 30L less perhaps, but you can never read 30L more than actual.
So mate before you spray cr@p like that next time check your facts. Chances are if they ran out of fuel there is a BLO@DY good reason for it. I think it will be something else, unless a fuel checking error has been the case, they are damn economical and you could be guilty for thinking they never run out of fuel as they use so little!!!
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Come on mate!!!!! Every aircraft has its little quirks, and with the Jabiru the fuel tank gauges usually read less in flight than actual, from the suction being drawn from the gauge (sight glass). I ought to know I own one and although its the BIG brother of them the gauges are much the same.
So if you run out in flight (after takeoff) you can not blame the gauges. In flight you may read up to 30L less perhaps, but you can never read 30L more than actual.
So mate before you spray cr@p like that next time check your facts. Chances are if they ran out of fuel there is a BLO@DY good reason for it. I think it will be something else, unless a fuel checking error has been the case, they are damn economical and you could be guilty for thinking they never run out of fuel as they use so little!!!
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J
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I am reminded of the fact that if you take all the fuel exhaustion events out of the engine 'failure' statistics actual forced landings from mechanical causes are extremely rare.
If you take out the fuel exhaustion and CFIT (scud running) accidents and VFR-IMC loss of control accidents out of the overall GA statistics crashes in general become exceedingly rare events.
How hard can it be?
Note I make no direct comment on this latest incident.
If you take out the fuel exhaustion and CFIT (scud running) accidents and VFR-IMC loss of control accidents out of the overall GA statistics crashes in general become exceedingly rare events.
How hard can it be?
Note I make no direct comment on this latest incident.
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my problem with the fuel issue is that they had only just taken off ahead of us. That would mean the previous flight would have had to have landed with effectively no reserves at all, both the student and instructor failed to dip the tanks to notice this, and the instructor failed to observe the fuel gauges at any point.
still possible I guess, but does seem a bit strange.
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still possible I guess, but does seem a bit strange.
my opinion only.
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Chimbu, you make very relevant points yet again!
For those wondering how hard it is in a Jabiru aircraft, here is the sight glass for the Port wing tank, this photo was taken prior to first flight so hence ZERO FUEL in the gauge.
This pic is from the back seats so you can see the gauges are beside your head and easy to see.
If in doubt refer CC's comments....
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For those wondering how hard it is in a Jabiru aircraft, here is the sight glass for the Port wing tank, this photo was taken prior to first flight so hence ZERO FUEL in the gauge.
This pic is from the back seats so you can see the gauges are beside your head and easy to see.
If in doubt refer CC's comments....
Cheers
J
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Happened to notice this aeroplane parked in a hangar today and can categorically assure you fuel exhaustion was not the issue. Some sort of major mechanical defect caused this one - it's a mess 
If the requlators were a little more pro-active then the engine failure rate would be even lower.
How many pilots (and pax) would have been saved the stress of a forced landing (or worse) if a fix of the recent faulty crankshaft problem had been mandated (at the manufacturers expense!) as soon as it became apparent?
A few years ago my brother had a head separate from a cylinder in his Mooney resulting in a forced landing. Aircraft purchased new, well maintained, flown by only a handful of experienced pilots. Apparently it was a not uncommon failure with a batch of cylinders.
And I still have the image of a C206 on the ground at Lockhart River aerodrome etched in my brain. There was a big hole in the cowling where one of the cylinders had departed the aircraft.
Fortunately both of the above had a happy ending - at least as far as the persons on board were concerned.
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This one was a number 4 cylinder failure.
There have been a couple of catastrophic engine failure's in the new Jab 2.2 engines with hydraulic lifters (versus the older ones without them). You will hear very little about them as most of them would be Recreational registered and not published in the public domain.
There have been a couple of catastrophic engine failure's in the new Jab 2.2 engines with hydraulic lifters (versus the older ones without them). You will hear very little about them as most of them would be Recreational registered and not published in the public domain.
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This one was a number 4 cylinder failure.
There have been a couple of catastrophic engine failure's in the new Jab 2.2 engines with hydraulic lifters (versus the older ones without them). You will hear very little about them as most of them would be Recreational registered and not published in the public domain.
There have been a couple of catastrophic engine failure's in the new Jab 2.2 engines with hydraulic lifters (versus the older ones without them). You will hear very little about them as most of them would be Recreational registered and not published in the public domain.
