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Possibly Murrin?
CNF are lengthening their RWY and if they seal it it may be suitable for jets. I wonder if the writing is on the wall there
.Just speculating, but could the TEF contract be up for retender??
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Why do light aircraft backtrack for full length departure?
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Have been away for a few weeks and am interested in catching up on the WA (Perth) news front. Who can help me with the following
1. What happened with the WA Gov aircraft contract ?, seems to be quiet on that front.
2. Something about a couple of DASH 8-300's and no AOC to operate them.
3. One of the GA FIFO operators at Perth getting a 50-70 seat jet (this is a rumour I heard, any truth to it)
4. With the 717's taking over on the RPT, how many 146/RJ's will be left operating in WA on FIFO contracts with NATJET.
Thanks for the info/gosip or whatever.
If this has been done before, feel free to let me know the links.
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Have been away for a few weeks and am interested in catching up on the WA (Perth) news front. Who can help me with the following
1. What happened with the WA Gov aircraft contract ?, seems to be quiet on that front.
2. Something about a couple of DASH 8-300's and no AOC to operate them.
3. One of the GA FIFO operators at Perth getting a 50-70 seat jet (this is a rumour I heard, any truth to it)
4. With the 717's taking over on the RPT, how many 146/RJ's will be left operating in WA on FIFO contracts with NATJET.
Thanks for the info/gosip or whatever.
If this has been done before, feel free to let me know the links.
richo
Old news, but relevant.
I was talking about it with an instructor the otherday about XR leaving Karratha, how they said they didnt get the big companys support, considering ALOT of their flights were full with paying passengers. But the flights were always late and something always seemed to go U/S on the f100's which gave them a bad rep.
Can we see them returning to KTA anytime soon?, or atleast they should offer a Karratha-Port Hedland flight for the Bali bound passengers as most passengers on that flight originate in Karratha.
There were also rumours a while back that Virgin Blue and Jetstar wanted to expand in WA. I still believe that Skywest will do something domestically maybe expand Darwin services, Bali services or something similar.
I was talking about it with an instructor the otherday about XR leaving Karratha, how they said they didnt get the big companys support, considering ALOT of their flights were full with paying passengers. But the flights were always late and something always seemed to go U/S on the f100's which gave them a bad rep.
Can we see them returning to KTA anytime soon?, or atleast they should offer a Karratha-Port Hedland flight for the Bali bound passengers as most passengers on that flight originate in Karratha.
There were also rumours a while back that Virgin Blue and Jetstar wanted to expand in WA. I still believe that Skywest will do something domestically maybe expand Darwin services, Bali services or something similar.
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Consider also wake turbulence seperation. From the full length your looking at a 2 minute seperation but from an intersection its 3 minutes. With those sort of times you might as well use it constructively and backtrack.
Back when I use to fly piston twins my "V1" so to speak was blue line on a runway as long as perth. Therefore it was quite possible to rotate at 95kts climb to 20-30ft and then after an engine failure before blue line land straight ahead. I would want all the runway I could use and as RTG said would prefer to do this than fly an assy circuit. A dash 8, Bras or Metro with the assistance of reverse would probably use less runway stopping prior to V1 than a light twin using the above method.
An example: At the moment Koolan Island are looking at running Dash's direct but from what I've seen of Koolan there's no way you'd consider putting a Baron, Nav, 310 into it.
Consider also wake turbulence seperation. From the full length your looking at a 2 minute seperation but from an intersection its 3 minutes. With those sort of times you might as well use it constructively and backtrack.
Back when I use to fly piston twins my "V1" so to speak was blue line on a runway as long as perth. Therefore it was quite possible to rotate at 95kts climb to 20-30ft and then after an engine failure before blue line land straight ahead. I would want all the runway I could use and as RTG said would prefer to do this than fly an assy circuit. A dash 8, Bras or Metro with the assistance of reverse would probably use less runway stopping prior to V1 than a light twin using the above method.
An example: At the moment Koolan Island are looking at running Dash's direct but from what I've seen of Koolan there's no way you'd consider putting a Baron, Nav, 310 into it.
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Remember the 3 most useless things in aviation
1. The runway behind you
2. Fuel in the bowser, and
3. Altitude above you!
Most "lightie" pilots would much prefer to abort a T/O on the runway rather then be forced to take off and conduct an assy circuit because they took an intersection departure. So the reason is they are using the safest method, even if it adds another 10 secs to mr "heavies" flight.
Need to open your ears on the OZ_JET news, RPT to Derby (2-3 flights a week). Its been covered in here already.
1. The runway behind you
2. Fuel in the bowser, and
3. Altitude above you!
Most "lightie" pilots would much prefer to abort a T/O on the runway rather then be forced to take off and conduct an assy circuit because they took an intersection departure. So the reason is they are using the safest method, even if it adds another 10 secs to mr "heavies" flight.
Need to open your ears on the OZ_JET news, RPT to Derby (2-3 flights a week). Its been covered in here already.
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Back tracking on RWY24 does not add 10 secs, it is adding approx 2 - 3 minutes.
Heavies should be backtracking whilst lighties depart from the intersection.
Longest recorded taxi time in the past 8 weeks was 48 minutes.
Apron and airspace congestion was the primary concern at the recent Perth Airport Operators meeting, still unsure as to what action items were raised.
xr
Heavies should be backtracking whilst lighties depart from the intersection.
Longest recorded taxi time in the past 8 weeks was 48 minutes.
Apron and airspace congestion was the primary concern at the recent Perth Airport Operators meeting, still unsure as to what action items were raised.
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Going 1 Inop towards the hills in a fully loaded 441, BE76 PA31 is not a pretty thing! Especially on a hot day! Its not all that pretty when its ops normal! That extra 316m can make the difference between a big fireball and no fireball.
We arent out there to piss people off. We are all in the same boat, we all have a schedule to keep, we all have different aircraft types and performance, some have aircon, some dont! We all have to look after our own aircraft, and be respectful to others, keep the backtrack brisk!
We arent out there to piss people off. We are all in the same boat, we all have a schedule to keep, we all have different aircraft types and performance, some have aircon, some dont! We all have to look after our own aircraft, and be respectful to others, keep the backtrack brisk!
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a F50 is hardly a "heavy". props are for boats mate. My humbling experiences in light twins from yonks ago is that you are looking for trouble if you do not take full length. We are paid to cater for the unexpected, not the expected.
a F50 is hardly a "heavy". props are for boats mate. My humbling experiences in light twins from yonks ago is that you are looking for trouble if you do not take full length. We are paid to cater for the unexpected, not the expected.
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JT Pilot - If I were you, I wouldnt be flying towards the hills OEI
As for the unexpected. There are 2 types of unexpected events:
-the expected unexpected - performance wise, this is catered for in flight manuals as per CAO20.7.1/1B.
-the unexpected unexpected - if you allow for these events, well, you will send the company broke.
End of the day, do your full length departure, its up to you....bottom line is, this airport is #@%$&*. Its long overdue that WAC do something about the infrastructure here.
xr
As for the unexpected. There are 2 types of unexpected events:
-the expected unexpected - performance wise, this is catered for in flight manuals as per CAO20.7.1/1B.
-the unexpected unexpected - if you allow for these events, well, you will send the company broke.
End of the day, do your full length departure, its up to you....bottom line is, this airport is #@%$&*. Its long overdue that WAC do something about the infrastructure here.
xr
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they have to be better at it than Network, Skippers, National Jet, Maroomba
Seriously though, I can remember one contract getting yanked a few years ago from a particular operator and going to another because they 'did it better'. Guess it depends on how much the mine would have to pay out to ditch the contract vs the benefit... HOWEVER... many might think it worth the hassle if the on-time performance/delay factor would be greatly reduced...
I reckon the figure for 10 departures in 30min is probably conservative, I'd say at least half that amount from each of the bigger operators every 30-60mins at that time... I always did admire the ATC guys n girls sitting there at 0610 watching that bloody big line of Brasilias, Metros, F50s etc... and if you've ever paxed on the pencil in summer, you'd appreciate that 20mins holding in a taxi queue aint that great!!!
Skywest could get into the FIFO stuff in a fairly big way if they play it right... eventually having 7 50's means they'd have at least one to use on charters and have the other for breakdown redundancy etc (as seems to be the case lately)
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PS...
OzJet are interviewing for cabin crew and have Perth listed as a base on their website. So I'd say it looks likely they're setting up here. Believe I read somewher eon here that pilots have already interviewed for PER-based jobs.
I havent heard anything of them setting up here.
Skywest could get into the FIFO stuff in a fairly big way if they play it right... eventually having 7 50's means they'd have at least one to use on charters and have the other for breakdown redundancy etc (as seems to be the case lately)
I always did admire the ATC guys n girls sitting there at 0610 watching that bloody big line of Brasilias, Metros, F50s etc...
OZJET is confirmed for February. Two locals employed as FOs.
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My spy tells me Ozjet offered 6 driver-airframe jobs in Perth, not 2. Training course January. All locals, and for good reason - they can afford to live there. Perth too expensive for out-of-towners now. Cabin crew to follow next month, same deal - have to be locals. Don't want people from O/S looking for semi- retirement gig. 2 airplanes based there from March. Believe it.
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Well, I was being a bit sarcastic there, tone really does not come across well does it? I meant XR could get into FIFo if they really want to and commit the time to it, eventually if they got enough aircraft they could put a big dent in things if they started nicking more contracts off Njs, Skippers etc... (might not be too hard for some )
Ok so maybe the 'tower guys' don't actually do much, but I admired whoever was behind organising all that, and putting up with my occasionally causing a traffic jam behind 'my' acft when we had nowhere to park 'em I certainly see the fact that things at PH are getting busier by the minute, and it's not easy on anyone who has to deal with that mad morning/arvo rush...!
GC, I heard Alliance were doing the same thing, trying to get locals as they're more likely to stay (and can afford to!!)
)Ok so maybe the 'tower guys' don't actually do much, but I admired whoever was behind organising all that, and putting up with my occasionally causing a traffic jam behind 'my' acft when we had nowhere to park 'em
I certainly see the fact that things at PH are getting busier by the minute, and it's not easy on anyone who has to deal with that mad morning/arvo rush...!GC, I heard Alliance were doing the same thing, trying to get locals as they're more likely to stay (and can afford to!!)
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Firing them off in sequence is the easy part, sequencing a busy arrival pattern takes a bit more skill but then again flow, melbourne centre and perth approach set all that up for the tower guys, all that remains is ".... clear to land.
If everyone knows about the morning conga lines, why do they all persist in departing at the same time?
Ramp space? Performance measurements/guarantees? ****s & giggles?
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Alliance interviewed for more PER based pilots/cabin crew a fortnight ago.
Training courses start in Jan - the are additional crew that will be required to crew the 3rd aircraft from March.
From what I heard, they have offered commands to lots of BNE/TSV FOs if they move to PER but no one wants to because financially its a step backwards.
Resource boom is crazy.....created all these fantastic jobs......but as a consequence, no one can afford to take them.
Training courses start in Jan - the are additional crew that will be required to crew the 3rd aircraft from March.
From what I heard, they have offered commands to lots of BNE/TSV FOs if they move to PER but no one wants to because financially its a step backwards.
Resource boom is crazy.....created all these fantastic jobs......but as a consequence, no one can afford to take them.
