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Old 2nd Nov 2006, 12:16
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Crazy Approaches

Was wondering whats sort of crazy approaches are out there.

What are the most interesting approaches you have come across.
What are the most difficult approaches you have flown

Some I can think of are the Mount Magnet NDB as a difficult one and the Tindal 14 ILS as an interesting one.

What are your thoughts?
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Old 2nd Nov 2006, 12:33
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Not sure what you mean about the Tindal ILS, it is the simplest approach I know of.
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Old 2nd Nov 2006, 12:43
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Not sure what you mean about the Tindal ILS, it is the simplest approach I know of.
I don't think he said it was hard, he said it was interesting.
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Old 2nd Nov 2006, 13:07
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I like the approach to YSHR.

The old VHHH of course.

Some of the new RNP approaches are looking like fun - e.g. NZQN.

Some of those recent photos of the PNG highland strips look like the most fun.
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Old 2nd Nov 2006, 13:28
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Lismore and Narromine NDB's a bit of fun

The old Mt ISA and Gunnedah NDB's were interesting with proceedure turns, Phillip Island with timed missed approach.

Alice Springs NDB would have to take the cake, two NDB's, a proceedure turn, timed missed approach point, followed by RH circling approach. Always a fun one to test students out on!

Tindal is not a difficult approach even with approach turned off.
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Old 2nd Nov 2006, 13:54
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Have a look at the offset LLZ for 16 to Macau (VMMC), or the Canarsie VOR approach for rwys 13 in New York JFK (KJFK)
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Old 2nd Nov 2006, 13:55
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Just got back from a trip to Jackson hole, Wyoming.
Very interesting approach!

http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://.../00504IL19.PDF

GPWS has a heart attack, my hat goes off the old frontier airline guys who use to shoot this approach with nothing but an NDB in the DC-3's!
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 00:45
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Have flown the Kathmandu VOR/DME RWY 02 approach a bunch of times...mostly in the clag from 30k to the minima and once or twice with 60k crosswinds on the first part of the approach. Then I flew in there on a nice sunny day about my 4th time and you look at the Himalayas and inhale the seat.

The approach is down a not very wide valley (LOTS of radial scalloping) and the airport sits in a cross valley at the end at about 4500'...two valleys making a T and the MSA to the north is 20800'

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Innsbruck, foehn winds up to 50 kt, gliders, high terrain, one loc used for the approach, another used for the missed.

http://local.google.com/maps?t=h&hl=...,0.462799&om=1
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The FreedomAir guys coming into Dunedin have done some visual approaches in the A320 that would make your average light twin driver cringe

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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 02:48
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Chambery, France. Teardrop reversal down the 'V' shaped valley.
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 02:59
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Worst I've seen was "Hi,I'm a pilot and I drive a sports car"
Needless to say waved off
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 06:02
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CKN NDB appch
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 06:36
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The OLD Canberra NDB Approach

The old Canberra NDB approach (1986), which was given to me as a simulator exercise during my IFR training (sadistic b#*st#*rd):

The approach consisted of a RH 1 minute holding pattern at 5000ft (230/050 degrees), an 80/260 procedure turn to the right at the end of the inbound leg of the holding pattern (230 bearing) to position you to track outbound on the reciprocal heading to the inbound leg of the holding pattern (050 bearing), followed by another 80/260 procedure turn to the left at the end of the outbound track to put you back on the inbound track of the holding pattern (230 bearing) which was also the final leg of the approach.

So far so good - until you had to conduct the missed approach which required a straight ahead climb (230) to 4000ft followed by ANOTHER procedure turn to the right to put you back to the NDB (050) and another track outbound which was reciprocal to the inbound leg of the holding pattern !

I've still got the approach plate if anyone is a bit interested in testing their IFR skills, particularly with wind effect!
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 10:06
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The FreedomAir guys coming into Dunedin have done some visual approaches in the A320 that would make your average light twin driver cringe
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Interesting...I would not have though Dunedin was much of a "knarly" approach,
what exactly are you referring to? Are they coming from swampy then making a visual left downwind for the NthEasterly runway? Surely you're not talking about a visual straight in from Swampy?
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 13:16
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P?? Dixons Cider>

Hell no... these guys/gals often join visual well before reaching swampy or berridale. Dont know how much local knowledge you have but once they get visual on the way from slope hill its straight to the airfield, on occasion to join a right base for 21 that is tighter than what I teach PPL students in a 152!!

Good on em too!
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Old 4th Nov 2006, 01:27
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..............scarey:-)

...............the most interesting approach?................not that I have had the pleasure but what about an approach, at night onto a pitching carrier deck in a $40 mill (guestamation) fighter all the while the 'rwy' is moving about as if it's in the hands of a midless kid playing a video game !:-)

..............now that's an appraoch!

Capt Wally :-)
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[QUOTE=Chimbu chuckles;2943158]Have flown the Kathmandu VOR/DME RWY 02 approach a bunch of times...mostly in the clag from 30k to the minima and once or twice with 60k crosswinds on the first part of the approach. Then I flew in there on a nice sunny day about my 4th time and you look at the Himalayas and inhale the seat.

I take my hat off to you. I went in there as a pax on a Royal Nepal Airlines 727-100 in 1975. The take off from Delhi was scary enough, full load, 40C + temperature and a dot feet turn onto course. I was sitting next to a Brazilian guy who was also a pilot. We both felt our last day had come.

The approach to Kathmandu was totally in cloud until not long before landing. I didn't appreciate that approach until I departed about a week later in clear weather. I was totally gobsmacked by what I saw. That was on an Indian Air 737-100 where the cockpit door used to vibrate open on take off every time. Ah the folly of youth.
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Old 4th Nov 2006, 16:49
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once they get visual on the way from slope hill its straight to the airfield
My local knowledge is a bit dated true, but a visual into Dunedin from Queenstown..??? aahhhh gotta love those clear blue 60km vis NZ days....
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Lukla in the Himalayas looks trouser-changing:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lukla_Airport

Very pronounced slope, short and no real scopt to go-around...and it's at about 10,000'!
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