Tree Fife Niner

[Jungmeister]

Originally Posted by Arm out the window

Fully agree with the importance of 'niner'.
Been hearing a few excessive readbacks lately (p'raps known to get a bit verbose myself, though I try not to) - the 'line up behind' one gets them.
I know ATC are supposed to say the word 'behind' twice, but there's a bit of readback creep sometimes and it gets read back twice as well.
I'd go back to saying the callsign first any day, not necessary to change it, I thought, and it just feels unnatural (shows I'm getting older I s'pose).

I think that the correct readback for this conditional clearance should be
"..Affirm behind" !!

[tobzalp]

'Stand By'
'Standing by'

[DutchRoll]

People getting hot & sweaty about readbacks obviously haven't operated overseas much (especially in the US)!

[Desert Flower]

While we're on the subject of radio transmissions, can someone please tell my why the phrase "Roger that" is creeping into everything these days? I hear it not only on the aviation side, but on almost every other organisation you care to name. Ambos, firies, SES etc. It irks me no end! Whatever happened to just "Roger"?

DF.

[Arm out the window]

Good one, jungmeister!
If they start using it too much, there'll be more behinds than Molly Meldrum's little black book.

[No Further Requirements]

But I hope they never remove my all time favourite:
SE-VEN
I just can't get enough of it!
Maybe we should all do a Ritchie Benaud for the number two and say it as a "tchew". Eastern Airlines flights out of Wagga will have a blast, especially EA2222! (May have already happened..... )
R_S - good points, all well made.

Cheers,
NFR.

[Shitsu_Tonka]

I think the crew of VOZ222 BN-SY each day enjoy their 1:05 of being Richie Benaud as much as I enjoy being there in the Central Commentary Position.

Super Stuff.

[pall]

Rushed Transmissions

What about speaking too fast. I have had a great deal of training in public speaking. RT is similar in that you know what you are saying, others may not. If you speak quickly it doesn't allow time for others to process your RT properly. Speaking at a speed that to you seems a little slow usually sounds clear and just right to listeners.

[Sunfish]

I used to think the ATC call "No need to acknowledge" on a "cleared to land" call was quaint until I was told that it was because they were running out of time.

[Altimeters]

Originally Posted by tobzalp

'Stand By'
'Standing by'

That's a good one. I heard recently on the airwaves from the tower:

ATC: "Check Altitude"

PILOT: "Checking Altitude"

[Capt Claret]

What about "copied no IFR traffic"!

Sadly, for quite some time now, it seems that the answer to readbacks has been to try to readback everything so that, hopefully, the required items will be captured.

It is common to hear a readback full of supurfluous cr@p that misses the required items.

[M.25]

I might comment that over the last week or so I have heard many occasions where not enough was read back, and in one case nothing was read back. Once the controller had to repeat the whole clearance three times! Not reading back enough can be just as time consuming as reading back too much. Moral of the story.... know what is required and do your best to get it right. At the end of the day though, no-one is perfect.

[Lord Snot]

Originally Posted by Roger Standby

I have since had reason to ask pilots up to 3 times "confirm assigned niner thousand" and received"affirm, nine thousand". After the third time you're banging your head and assuring yourself that you did in fact hear "nine".

If this is what you call bad R/T, then the standards in some parts of the world out there would make you cut your wrists. It so happens that Australian ATC is held as the epitome of uptight, anal ATC. Even the Europeans think we are uptight and anal here just because we have standards. It's an amazing mindset when you hear them whinging about it.

Personally, I have no problem with the expectation that an R/T operator merely observes proper radiotelephony procedures but what you find from other parts of the world is:

• no callsign after initial call
• no readbacks
• readbacks of EVERYthing
• use of "any chance of" instead of "request"
• use of "okay, understand, code #### comin' down.... "
• Reply with "Roger, squawking Ident" (but no callsign) when told to squawk Ident......
• and much, much more...... you get the idea.

Asking most of these halfwits to repeat so you can hear them say "niner' instead of "nine" will do nothing but convince them Aussie ATC are a bunch of twaats and/or confuse them into shutting up altogether.

I'll be sure I use "niner". I just wish the rest of the world could get their sh!t together too.

Meanwhile, why is this:

The old fade-out when advising QNH or next freq - EG:

" ### contact ML Centre on one three three decimal......", or

" ### area QNH one zero one......."

Try to get your own procedures squared away while you're at it!!

[Shitsu_Tonka]

That fade-out is associated with the head falling back as we try and get some sleep.

[Roger Standby]

Rofl, ****su

[Lord Snot]

Good reply, Roger.......... What a guy!

!!

[Roger Standby]

Bit touchy Snot,

I may be wrong but I took ****su's comment to be related to fatigue levels (hence the zzz's) at work and that's what I found amusing. I did not find your comments boring. You can almost feel the attitude, though.

Frankly I don't care what they do overseas, and don't expect anything overly flash from internationals. We're just making observations of how we think we can tidy up our own our part of the world. Sounds you like you could do with a sleep.

[Lord Snot]

Not at all....

I'm all for improving things and hearing your side of it is obviously a big help. But surely your 'big picture' is improved by knowledge of how things work outside this country since a large volume of air traffic is foreign??? Or is the upper airspace not your area?

My own comment isn't a tit-for-tat response, it's something I've observed for years and years. I'm sure your seemingly flippant reply (or lack of) doesn't mean you think enunciating the QNH or radio freq digits clearly and concisely is any less important than differtiating between niner and fife, right?

If you're keen on all-round R/T improvements, I figured you'd have something constructive to say rather than.......

Okay I'll go take my pills now.

[Roger Standby]

My intention was not to belittle your response and your point is well point taken. I will endeavour to make sure that I do not clip or fade the end of my transmissions in future.

[Shitsu_Tonka]

I think Roger is just picking up on a very topical point in my post that may have been an in-joke.... namely we are all working silly overtime and many are tired and....... [yawn] ......likely to just drift off before finishing a senten...zzzzzzz