Cessna 209 POH and hire

[the wizard of auz]

Jazus, Ops. Mate if you start that caper while we're drinking, I'm outta there.

[OpsNormal]

Originally Posted by the wizard of auz

Jazus, Ops. Mate if you start that caper while we're drinking, I'm outta there.

I seem to remember that this sort of talk was enhanced by the addition of what may well be measured as a "industrial quantity" of "conversation enhancer".

And you still wonder why we were shot down about 9.5 hours later....? "Nah mate, you don't fly in that fast".... "Ah, OK..."

P-A-F. No such animal in my CV....

[the wizard of auz]

you certainly made sure there was no lift left to induce any sort of PIO or ballooning. I thought all that fancy talk was to try and distract my attention from the wonderous sights we were beholding whilst working on the industial quan tittys.......Oh, isnt that fraudian?.

[Zulu_One]

Getting back on topic'n'sh!t, Task Master 77 was onto something, however no disrespect to the recent earl of piper however their research was flawed in-so-far as the authenticity of the original photograph.

I used to be in the employ of the 207-900 operator and still retain an original slide of the establishment (Now-a-days given the title of Club Canadian or something) and can provide the anonymous aviation public with a more complete historical depiction of event, as follows:


The above photo was taken some years ago, prior to some fuel truck accident.
AFAIK Dwayne is now flying 206's out of the Kimberley somewhere btw ...

Photographed above is the DHC5-800 ( I know this because the -900 has winglets and 2 overwing exits, as well as the infamous, flawed and fatal eye-brow windows). Not sure if it's still in operation today though, I heard it was being used instead of PA-31s at some company to operate 6080ft ops ...

Z1

[Lodown]

I seem to remember the C209 being a byproduct of Cessna's attempt to create a short field landing version of the 207 with a hook arrester. Unfortunately, the test pilot caught the top of the barb wire fence on the approach instead of the intended arrester cable. Cessna added a couple of windows in anticipation that no one in CASA would notice the difference in the certification tests.

Hey Tiger, this company in India offering you the job; have they taken a deposit to hold your job slot? If not, I'd like to apply.

[sailing]

Lowdown, you're dead right there. They re-thought the system with the 208 and developed the stretch version before the short-field trials. The new system uses a fence in front of the aircraft, so if anything goes wrong you just end up with the standard short body version. There have been some trials for CASA approval, at Caloundra.

[Dry_Twotter]

207-900T which is, you guessed it, the twin engine version. It has two IO 470s up front, one behind the other. The rear one drives by 2 gears to a shaft over the top of both engines, which turns a left handed prop (the gears reverse direction of rotation), and the forward engine uses a hy-vo chain to drive a hollow shaft concentric with the other. This has a right handed prop just behind the LH one, so you end up with contra-rotating props and no P-factor to worry about. The beauty of it is, you can shut down the front engine (NB. it drives the rear prop!) in the cruise, feather the prop, and get really good fuel burn figures. To re-start is simplicity itself, you just un-feather the rear prop and the wash from the front one spins the engine up! This is known to old -900T drivers as "getting a blow job!"

Sailing, I used to fly a 207-900T in Western Zambia. The rear engine was a bit unreliable (cooling issues), so single engine Takeoffs were common practice. I think the seat rails were modified in this one, so if the pilot seat flies back, it only goes back so far as the 3rd row, instead of the tailcone. Our engineers also installed a switch that was activated when the pilot seat hit the stops back in the 3rd row, so the autopilot (single axis, pitch only) was automaticly engaged in ALT HOLD mode.


Many "blow jobs" were done in this aircraft

DT

[disco_air]

Gold, DT. Solid gold

...Disco

[Continental-520]

Aha!

I used to fly a 207-900T in Western Zambia

I always wondered why the C209s I checked and trained on in Riga had Danish rego's. I'm intrigued to see that the variants in Western Zambia do too.

In fact, looking up my logbook, OY-SUC used to be a regular C209, then it was converted to an amphibious C206 after a landing accident caused by uncontrollability due to a too far forward C of G, sent to Kunnunurra, WA, where it was used for training in the Wheeland Flight Academy. It came to grief a second time there after a long tenure and was then reconverted to a C209-900T as is pictured above.

The rear engine was a bit unreliable (cooling issues)

Resilient busses nevertheless!

520.

[ThoughtCrime]

....where it was used for training in the Wheeland Flight Academy.

Training syllabus for the C209 Conversion Course delivered by Wheeland Flight Academy:

1. Basic Handling "Deh what are you using trim for?"
2. Weight and Balance "Deh dont count my weight"
3. Radiotelephony "Deh what was his callsign???" (on short final)
4. Peak performance "Deh go around the hills
5. Engine management "Deh you'll clear the mags on takeoff"

All flights include full demonstrations by the instructor "Deh its different from the right hand seat"

That poor C209 came to grief in Kununurra during an IFR flight returning from taking tourists to the Sands Resort in Kalumburu (destroyed by cyclone only a week later), landing on the Diversion Dam wall and tearing both wings off. Synopsis was the "experienced" pilot had descended below the minima and landed on the diversion dam by mistake. The pilot claimed he was "familiar with the local area".

With the rarity of C209 specific parts, they could no longer continue to operate it, and ended up being bought by a wealthy game park owner in Western Zambia (still with the danish rego). Herr Dry_Twotter enters the picture here, ferrying it from Kununurra.

TC

[sailing]

DT, that's a great photo of the -900T, you can tell its a later series with the short seat tracks by the long rear window and the position of the main gear. It was moved back to stop tailstrike with an aft CG. That auto pilot feature would be good during a re-start if your concentration was distracted by a blow job. It could sometimes take a while to come
on line.

[OpsNormal]

And there was I thinking that days and threads like this one had become a thing of the past... This has been a fantastic relief to much of the usual moaning.

Good on yerz.

[Tiger 77]

Thanks to everyone who helped me out and shared their 209 experiences. I found it very interesting to read.

I have finially been able to find a 209 in Aus to get a bit of experience on. Its just an old unregistered machine being kept on a remote farm in WA, but its better than nothing. I'm heading over there next week and the owner and I are going to see if we can get the engine running.

Also had a quick chat to my new boss in India. Sounds like the job is mainly IFR charter ops for a large mining company. I'll be flying mainly the c209 but also a Super Guppy on floats and a Buffalo with extra wings (ie. bi-plane).

Cheers,

Tiger.

[Led Zep]

Sounds great!
Remember if that doesn't work out for you, you can always start your CHTR company out of KNX with those bi-plane DHC5s, and land on Lake Argyle with the Super Guppy. I'm looking to do the same with some A300-600STs.

[Zulu_One]

Originally Posted by Tiger 77

a Buffalo with extra wings (ie. bi-plane).

Might be able to help you out with that Tiges, this a/c was doin endorsements in this pic a mate sent me.



I'll find out who the operator is of the DHC5-900, apparently they're sellin up so it might help you out get your knx op off the drawing board ... I believe he has some floats for it too but they get chopped up when the lower props are going, so amphib ops can only be 2 engine for takeoff until the floats are jettisoned, the other engines can then be suck-started from the propwash/slipstream of the top two, as opposed to the 'blow-job' starting procedure outlined above ... anyway i dont think he gives basic-blow-start endorsements.

Z1

[Northern Chique]

Nothing like modifying the front facia to extend well beyond the roofline of the hangar itself. Hell of a way to wash the aircraft inside!

[sailing]

Originally Posted by Northern Chique

Nothing like modifying the front facia to extend well beyond the roofline of the hangar itself. Hell of a way to wash the aircraft inside!

Bit less of the sarcasm NC! That gap in the roof is to allow departures by the C150 VT, the vertical takeoff derivative of the C150 which my granny used to fly on black ops for the CIA. It was going to be VTOL, but the FAA wouldn't approve the STC for the reversing mirrors and backing down through the roof without them was a bit dodgy. I think it caused an accident with a fuel truck once......

[Northern Chique]

Heeheheee sure was, I was needin' sleep real bad! But ir kinda looked like someone slid the lid back on the washing machine ready to do a load.

The other thought that came to mind was the secret development of charter ops personal VTOL units... Oh yeah, that is a C150

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

AAAAAHHHHH!!!

The C-209TT/BF/DT............

Now T H E R E W A S an AEROPLANE!!!!

Turbo'd, counterrotating props, blown wing - yep - wing!, double thronomisters.........

And, in a forty knot wind can take-off VERT!!!

FRV to KU for the pizzas.....
Dems was de days...

[ContactMeNow]

Originally Posted by Zulu_One

Is it just me of is the PAX in row 4 giving us the moon? Two excellent aircraft in that picture, too bad there isnt more of them flying these days...