FA18's over Melbourne right now!
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TruBlu351,
Nice retorts dude! Are you sure you didn't sneak across to Paris Island and get some one-liners from the Drill Instructors when you were in NC???
I'm sure that if Lord Snot and his fellow 'gamers' actually got a ride in the tub, they'd end up being dragged out of the seat in the fetal position by the firies once back in the lines. (Just ask the cheezy-eye about his ride late last year!) It's surprising what a few 'shoot-crank-flow' iterations while in IMC can do to force some humble pie into a blunt's mouth!
Cheers Bro.
Victor Two - can you confirm you have named yourself after an air-route?????
Nice retorts dude! Are you sure you didn't sneak across to Paris Island and get some one-liners from the Drill Instructors when you were in NC???
I'm sure that if Lord Snot and his fellow 'gamers' actually got a ride in the tub, they'd end up being dragged out of the seat in the fetal position by the firies once back in the lines. (Just ask the cheezy-eye about his ride late last year!) It's surprising what a few 'shoot-crank-flow' iterations while in IMC can do to force some humble pie into a blunt's mouth!
Cheers Bro.
Victor Two - can you confirm you have named yourself after an air-route?????
When you live....
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
Hey, c'mon, don't start slagging off my home town of Sale! Don't forget that they have Ringers night club, the Swing Bridge and now a new entertainment complex.
oh hang on, that's what Tindal's for......
Originally Posted by luvmuhud
TruBlu351,
Nice retorts dude! Are you sure you didn't sneak across to Paris Island and get some one-liners from the Drill Instructors when you were in NC???
Nice retorts dude! Are you sure you didn't sneak across to Paris Island and get some one-liners from the Drill Instructors when you were in NC???
Yeah good old "SC"....you could hear those buggers from my house several miles away!
Originally Posted by victor two
Yes yes yes children, I am aware that we sent a few jets to iraq. However, what they actually achieved while they were there and the real value of their presence remains a mystery. Iraq then was a bit like Melbourne now really. Go along.....be seen .......but don't really do much.
There is a slight difference in being at the grand final and kicking six goals as opposed to sitting on the reserve bench watching someone else play.
Get the idea?
There is a slight difference in being at the grand final and kicking six goals as opposed to sitting on the reserve bench watching someone else play.
Get the idea?
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Originally Posted by TruBlu351
V2, it's only a mystery to you and FYI, there wasn't much bench sitting. So you can be content that the boys played good "footy" there with some heavier than normal footballs that I wouldn't want to mark
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Originally Posted by victor two
Yes yes yes children, I am aware that we sent a few jets to iraq. However, what they actually achieved while they were there and the real value of their presence remains a mystery. Iraq then was a bit like Melbourne now really. Go along.....be seen .......but don't really do much.
There is a slight difference in being at the grand final and kicking six goals as opposed to sitting on the reserve bench watching someone else play.
Get the idea?
There is a slight difference in being at the grand final and kicking six goals as opposed to sitting on the reserve bench watching someone else play.
Get the idea?
Trublu & luvmuhudmonkey,
If you are fighter pilots, then I would have thought that you could discriminate between legitimate threats and decoys. Knuck-baiting; is there anything easier?
Enjoy your gingerbread.
ruprecht.
If you are fighter pilots, then I would have thought that you could discriminate between legitimate threats and decoys. Knuck-baiting; is there anything easier?
Enjoy your gingerbread.
ruprecht.
Nunc est bibendum
Whilst I'm an admirer of the work of the RAAF, what it does, and the way it does it, I did hear a rumour that an Aussie exchange pilot on the F-15E was only a couple of sorties short of eclipsing the payload dropped by the entire RAAF F18 detachment. Any truth to that one? 
Originally Posted by And Then
If it was so bloody sporting mate, how come the Iraqis weren't shooting back? Push button killing from the flight levels. Yawn.
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You knucks should leave the right and wrong stuff to the politicians and the electorate - it's unseemly to bang on about why you are there. You don't want to be seen like MH do you?
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If we want REAL bang-for-buck, why aren't the F-111s over Melbourne? Can't they carry as much fuel as a Hornet weighs, and have more weapon stations? They're much faster too, so could intercept any threat in less time...isn't that what we're after?
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Theoretical Question
How fast does a Cheiftain go loaded with pindemonium nitrate? 200 knots? (Forgive me if that's too fast, however it could be any aircraft)
With a 40 mile exclusion zone @ 200 knots... 200/40 = 5 minutes.
They'd wanna be awfully fast F111's to catch an aircraft at that speed. Lets say it took off from a field just on the boundary, kept at very low level; "potentially" it may go undetected for a short period, say a minute, then the RAAF controller has a short amount of time to scramble an F111 or FA18 to first find the theoretical Cheiftain, then await instructions from Police Commissioner Christine Nixon.
So if it's detected within a minute of entering airspace and identified as a potential threat (how long do they try and call it for before it becomes a threat?) then they have 3.5 minutes to intercept it, identify it, determine that it is actually hostile, try and contact it, line it up and shoot it down, preferably over a non population dense area...
What if someone had a stack of mannicans (dummy's) in it... it would look like a charter flight?
How long does a missile take from a destroyer parked at Brighton to intercept a 200 knot Chieftain flying at 100ft agl that could be 15 miles away?
So many questions to answer, so few answers...
WAS 40 miles big enough?
OR was it just a blanket "enter and get shot down" policy...?
Has anyone on here flown an FA18 or F111, is this even possible?
FYI: My question is purely theoretical; just for discussions sake.
With a 40 mile exclusion zone @ 200 knots... 200/40 = 5 minutes.
They'd wanna be awfully fast F111's to catch an aircraft at that speed. Lets say it took off from a field just on the boundary, kept at very low level; "potentially" it may go undetected for a short period, say a minute, then the RAAF controller has a short amount of time to scramble an F111 or FA18 to first find the theoretical Cheiftain, then await instructions from Police Commissioner Christine Nixon.
So if it's detected within a minute of entering airspace and identified as a potential threat (how long do they try and call it for before it becomes a threat?) then they have 3.5 minutes to intercept it, identify it, determine that it is actually hostile, try and contact it, line it up and shoot it down, preferably over a non population dense area...
What if someone had a stack of mannicans (dummy's) in it... it would look like a charter flight?
How long does a missile take from a destroyer parked at Brighton to intercept a 200 knot Chieftain flying at 100ft agl that could be 15 miles away?
So many questions to answer, so few answers...
WAS 40 miles big enough?
OR was it just a blanket "enter and get shot down" policy...?
Has anyone on here flown an FA18 or F111, is this even possible?
FYI: My question is purely theoretical; just for discussions sake.
Ummm, F111's carry bombs, they are not interceptors. I guess they could attempt to crash into your theoretical Navaho, but the resulting wreckage sort of defeats the whole idea.
Rockets are exceedingly fast and have been known to shoot down aircraft.
Think 120 knots - two miles a minute - 40 miles = 20 minutes from outside radius to centre.
Moorabbin to MCG 10 miles - say six minutes = keep very close watch on this den of iniquity.
Defence in depth:
ASIC's
New Fence
Aircraft Locks
Destroyer
F18's
And perhaps one or two other things as well for good measure.
I'm going to paste my ASIC on the tail of my aircraft where the rocket can see it.
Rockets are exceedingly fast and have been known to shoot down aircraft.
Think 120 knots - two miles a minute - 40 miles = 20 minutes from outside radius to centre.
Moorabbin to MCG 10 miles - say six minutes = keep very close watch on this den of iniquity.
Defence in depth:
ASIC's
New Fence
Aircraft Locks
Destroyer
F18's
And perhaps one or two other things as well for good measure.
I'm going to paste my ASIC on the tail of my aircraft where the rocket can see it.
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Don't get me wrong as I think that our ADF people do a great job. What I won't agree to is this notion that the few hornets we sent to Iraq were anything other than a gesture of our support to the global war on terror, which seems to have become something far less defined these days.
I feel that the herc transport crews who are still in and out of that hole today deserve more credit than a couple of fighter pilots patrolling the skies against threats that were probably never really threats at all and coming home to parades and flashy unit badges saying that they have dropped bombs "in anger".
I don't care if some knob in Canberra named it "Operation Falconer's Sword Restore Freedom Desert Scorpion Darth Vader", the truth is they dropped ahandful of (borrowed) bombs on non retaliating targets in sanitised airspace well away from the dangerous bits.
All I'm seeing here is another knob in canberra coming up with a flashy unit patch for the valiant crews who are risking their lives in the hostile sky over the MCG.
Gimme a break.
And No, my online is not derived from an airway but a taxiway where I once had a happy moment.
cheers
I feel that the herc transport crews who are still in and out of that hole today deserve more credit than a couple of fighter pilots patrolling the skies against threats that were probably never really threats at all and coming home to parades and flashy unit badges saying that they have dropped bombs "in anger".
I don't care if some knob in Canberra named it "Operation Falconer's Sword Restore Freedom Desert Scorpion Darth Vader", the truth is they dropped ahandful of (borrowed) bombs on non retaliating targets in sanitised airspace well away from the dangerous bits.
All I'm seeing here is another knob in canberra coming up with a flashy unit patch for the valiant crews who are risking their lives in the hostile sky over the MCG.
Gimme a break.
And No, my online is not derived from an airway but a taxiway where I once had a happy moment.
cheers
Originally Posted by Runway37
How fast does a Cheiftain go loaded with pindemonium nitrate? 200 knots? (Forgive me if that's too fast, however it could be any aircraft)
With a 40 mile exclusion zone @ 200 knots... 200/40 = 5 minutes.
With a 40 mile exclusion zone @ 200 knots... 200/40 = 5 minutes.
200kts = 3.3 miles/minute (200/60) so 40 miles takes 12 minutes
You're right though, it's a very complex issue with minimal time.
F111 = not an option. Their radar and avionics have rats running in wheels and steam driven pistons