CASA's Visual Flight Guide
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CASA's Visual Flight Guide
Hello,
CASA's online Visual Flight Guide states there will be a new version available in 2005. Any know what is holding them up? Is is still "safe" to use the old online version even though it was last updated in 2001?
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CASA's online Visual Flight Guide states there will be a new version available in 2005. Any know what is holding them up? Is is still "safe" to use the old online version even though it was last updated in 2001?
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That was the problem with the VFG right from its incorporation. There was no procedure in place for its update. It was never tied to any update cycle, even that of the AIP because the funds weren't there for regular publications, VFR pilots didn't want the regular updates and the dweebs running the show in CASA didn't want to be beholden to information from Airservices. As such, now there is seemingly no one and no funds committed to its ongoing sustainability. People have moved on and there are other CASA priorities now.
It was nothing more than a PR and resume padding exercise at the time of its introduction, which looks like it might have run its course. It was intended not for pilots, but for someone to be able to wave around in a public place and say, "Look how CASA (and ME) are keeping costs down for you."
Now, move on 5 or 6 years and we've got pilots who don't know whether the information is valid or not, but are still using it. Not critical of you CRN; I would like to know too. It was a stupid decision at the time and CASA needs to publicly indicate whether it is still a valid document or not.
I guess if it's still available online, it is still endorsed as a valid document by CASA, but if I were you, to be "safe" and in accordance with the premise that it was supposed to be updated in 2005, I wouldn't be using it until I get an answer from CASA.
It was nothing more than a PR and resume padding exercise at the time of its introduction, which looks like it might have run its course. It was intended not for pilots, but for someone to be able to wave around in a public place and say, "Look how CASA (and ME) are keeping costs down for you."
Now, move on 5 or 6 years and we've got pilots who don't know whether the information is valid or not, but are still using it. Not critical of you CRN; I would like to know too. It was a stupid decision at the time and CASA needs to publicly indicate whether it is still a valid document or not.
I guess if it's still available online, it is still endorsed as a valid document by CASA, but if I were you, to be "safe" and in accordance with the premise that it was supposed to be updated in 2005, I wouldn't be using it until I get an answer from CASA.
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The next version is due out by June 06.
Will have to pay for it though.
Just email those "Dweebs" for more info. [email protected]
I don't know if the thousands of GA pilots that use it would agree with you Lowdown. Much better than the AIP.
TBT
Will have to pay for it though.
Just email those "Dweebs" for more info. [email protected]
I don't know if the thousands of GA pilots that use it would agree with you Lowdown. Much better than the AIP.
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Hey Ozex, your mob know the best thing to do with an Aussie VFG, straight into the bin followed by an appropriate 'in country briefing' about not hitting rock filled clouds.
Worked for me at the time and still does.
Disco Stu.
Worked for me at the time and still does.
Disco Stu.
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About the only rule Inever broke when I was over there........ thems some scary stuff clouds even I wasn't going to play with. 
I do remember something about some documents I was meant to be looking at before my next visit though.............Obviously not the VFG.
I do remember something about some documents I was meant to be looking at before my next visit though.............Obviously not the VFG.
When you live....
Kookabat:
You may be confusing Visual Pilot Guides (city specific) with the the VFR Flight Guide (which attempts to summarise the AIP/CARS/CAO bits relevant to VFR PPLs)
UTR
PS See www.casa.gov.au/pilots/index.htm
You may be confusing Visual Pilot Guides (city specific) with the the VFR Flight Guide (which attempts to summarise the AIP/CARS/CAO bits relevant to VFR PPLs)
UTR
PS See www.casa.gov.au/pilots/index.htm
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Originally Posted by UnderneathTheRadar
Kookabat:
You may be confusing Visual Pilot Guides (city specific) with the the VFR Flight Guide (which attempts to summarise the AIP/CARS/CAO bits relevant to VFR PPLs)
UTR
PS See www.casa.gov.au/pilots/index.htm
You may be confusing Visual Pilot Guides (city specific) with the the VFR Flight Guide (which attempts to summarise the AIP/CARS/CAO bits relevant to VFR PPLs)
UTR
PS See www.casa.gov.au/pilots/index.htm
I would be a bit upset to have to pay for "just" another book however, because these graphs are not in ERSA or other VFR publications that I can immediately see. There may be legal implications because of ignorance.
The VFR Flight Guide may be taken into PPL examinations, However the document must not be taken into CPL or ATPL examinations as professional pilots need access to some source documents
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Anything that's in a less stuffy format than AIP/NOTAMS etc has got to be good value. Being on the receiving end of inexperienced and unfamiliar pilots, just a little bit of extra background knowledge can make life easier.
Things may change, but physical locations, circuit entries and aerodrome characteristics are pretty static and are still good guidelines.
A CD would be cheap and useful, but having the book next to you is a handy reference.
As far as I know, an update is not in the mill, but is overdue particularly with the NAS changes.
CG
Things may change, but physical locations, circuit entries and aerodrome characteristics are pretty static and are still good guidelines.
A CD would be cheap and useful, but having the book next to you is a handy reference.
As far as I know, an update is not in the mill, but is overdue particularly with the NAS changes.
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The ATC guide is up to date and black and white, whereas the CASA VFG is far more detailed and in colour. The ATC guide has more practical, experience based info, whereas the CASA VFG has more strictly legal, extracted from AIP and CAO info. They don't contradict, rather they complement each other.
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the visual pilots guide for sydney is currently under review.
the reason for the hold up is that it is impossible to descend into BK OCTA above LSALT. for years, pilots have been descending to 1500 (which is below LSALT) prior to reaching 3nm BK, as ATC will simply not issue a clearance to BK above 1500 when SY RWY 07 is in use.
since the guide is meant to provide guidance (funny that) a procedure is being developed so that the LSALT from 2RN or PSP to BK will be 1500 provided some conditions can be met. the conditions will probably include:
1. visual id of PSP or 2RN and
2. BK aerodrome beacon serviceable and sighted OR
3. NDB serviceable, ADF TITed and indicating correct TR to BK FM 2RN or PSP
the problem is that such a procedure does not comply with the criteria in PANS-OPS so some bureaucratic manoeuvrings are taking place to get it approved.
the reason for the hold up is that it is impossible to descend into BK OCTA above LSALT. for years, pilots have been descending to 1500 (which is below LSALT) prior to reaching 3nm BK, as ATC will simply not issue a clearance to BK above 1500 when SY RWY 07 is in use.
since the guide is meant to provide guidance (funny that) a procedure is being developed so that the LSALT from 2RN or PSP to BK will be 1500 provided some conditions can be met. the conditions will probably include:
1. visual id of PSP or 2RN and
2. BK aerodrome beacon serviceable and sighted OR
3. NDB serviceable, ADF TITed and indicating correct TR to BK FM 2RN or PSP
the problem is that such a procedure does not comply with the criteria in PANS-OPS so some bureaucratic manoeuvrings are taking place to get it approved.
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Originally Posted by Bob Murphie
As a reference guide to be used, but not mandated to be carried on board it is invaluable, especially with regard daylight and darkness graphs.
