No Asic = No Fly !!!! What a joke !
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Hi all !
I recieved a letter today as im sure the rest of you did, stating the usual ASIC requirements which we all know about. I just thought id give some people a heads up, who werent aware that after December 31st last year, if you hold a CASA issued flight crew licence and are actively flying into RPT secure airfields and do not have an ASIC and have not applied for an ASIC you are setting yourself up for a $2200 fine !!!
Just wondering what the rest of you feel about this as i somewhat feel that it is CASA's responsibility to not enforce this rule unless they get their act together and have a faster turnaround time, than 2 months for the process to be completed.
I also rang the hotline for CASA in the ASIC issuing deptartment (1300 737 032) and asked of my personal situation. I did apply for an ASIC after 31st December 2005 (about a week ago) and because i missed the cut off time of 31st December I have not been granted an extention till the 31st March 2006 and was basically told that I could not continue on with my job flying into and out of secure RPT carrying airports untill i have recieved my ASIC (About 6 weeks away at least). However if I had my application in 2 days earlier i would have been granted an extention of 3 more months. Just to let you know, yes this is my fault, as i am living in far north Queensland and my mail is being sent to my home address in another state and when i returned home for Xmas, i only recieved the application then and could not get it in by the deadline !!! So CASA basically told me that I am not to fly or I run the risk of a $550 fine.
Wake up Casa and do something about this mess !!! Do they really expect us to loose our jobs over these stupid new regulations ???
Interested in any other thoughts and comments
Cheers........................ FYSH !!!
I recieved a letter today as im sure the rest of you did, stating the usual ASIC requirements which we all know about. I just thought id give some people a heads up, who werent aware that after December 31st last year, if you hold a CASA issued flight crew licence and are actively flying into RPT secure airfields and do not have an ASIC and have not applied for an ASIC you are setting yourself up for a $2200 fine !!!
Just wondering what the rest of you feel about this as i somewhat feel that it is CASA's responsibility to not enforce this rule unless they get their act together and have a faster turnaround time, than 2 months for the process to be completed.
I also rang the hotline for CASA in the ASIC issuing deptartment (1300 737 032) and asked of my personal situation. I did apply for an ASIC after 31st December 2005 (about a week ago) and because i missed the cut off time of 31st December I have not been granted an extention till the 31st March 2006 and was basically told that I could not continue on with my job flying into and out of secure RPT carrying airports untill i have recieved my ASIC (About 6 weeks away at least). However if I had my application in 2 days earlier i would have been granted an extention of 3 more months. Just to let you know, yes this is my fault, as i am living in far north Queensland and my mail is being sent to my home address in another state and when i returned home for Xmas, i only recieved the application then and could not get it in by the deadline !!! So CASA basically told me that I am not to fly or I run the risk of a $550 fine.
Wake up Casa and do something about this mess !!! Do they really expect us to loose our jobs over these stupid new regulations ???
Interested in any other thoughts and comments
Cheers........................ FYSH !!!
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Fysh,
I have been gnashing teeth about this on the following thread.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=196883&page=2
I have been gnashing teeth about this on the following thread.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=196883&page=2
Re: No Asic = No Fly !!!! What a joke !
The letter states that you're up for the $2200 fine if you haven't applied for the security checks after 31 Dec 05 and proceed to these airports.
The extension is for people that have applied before last year but don't need to display an ASIC until 31 Mar 06.
Yet again the wording from a CASA document is ambiguous. In my opinion you can still fly into those airports mentioned in the letter as long as you've applied.
What I would do in your case is make a copy of the security checks document and carry it with you as proof that you've got your application submitted. I personally would even go down to the local police station and have them certified as proof of original.
The extension is for people that have applied before last year but don't need to display an ASIC until 31 Mar 06.
Yet again the wording from a CASA document is ambiguous. In my opinion you can still fly into those airports mentioned in the letter as long as you've applied.
What I would do in your case is make a copy of the security checks document and carry it with you as proof that you've got your application submitted. I personally would even go down to the local police station and have them certified as proof of original.
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Its going to take CASA 6 weeks just to do the checks and fill out there paperwork, what makes you think anyone has even organised to have security at the airports? If DOTARS has anything to do with it.
Terrorists here is a hint, Send in an application and just tell the security cop that your waiting for it to comeback.
I love this
Terrorists here is a hint, Send in an application and just tell the security cop that your waiting for it to comeback.
I love this
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You guys just dont get it do you
The requirement was announced by the Minister March 2005, nine months before, it was hardly a surprise in December.
I see you work for VB.
So tell me they haven't been reminding you.
Tell me you never watch the news or read the papers and have been on holidays on the planet Mars for the last 12 months and I might take a different view.
The Ministers announced before Christmas and it was reported widely that there would be an "amnesty" until the 31st March 2006 as long as you had sent your application before 31/12/2005.
This announcement was the result of some very hard work by a number of people including CASA to get the Government to understand that it was their original deadline and it was not achievable with the current resources. Hence the 90 day extension.
It was made perfectly clear that if you did not apply within the time stated you would be denied any latitude.
How hard is that
It is NOT news that you will be fined.
Get with the programme mate
you are part of the problem not part of the solution.
The requirement was announced by the Minister March 2005, nine months before, it was hardly a surprise in December.
I see you work for VB.
So tell me they haven't been reminding you.
Tell me you never watch the news or read the papers and have been on holidays on the planet Mars for the last 12 months and I might take a different view.
The Ministers announced before Christmas and it was reported widely that there would be an "amnesty" until the 31st March 2006 as long as you had sent your application before 31/12/2005.
This announcement was the result of some very hard work by a number of people including CASA to get the Government to understand that it was their original deadline and it was not achievable with the current resources. Hence the 90 day extension.
It was made perfectly clear that if you did not apply within the time stated you would be denied any latitude.
How hard is that
It is NOT news that you will be fined.
Get with the programme mate
you are part of the problem not part of the solution.
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Comon Gaunty,
Mate pull your head out of you bum and realise that everyone's situations is different. Im in the same boat as Mr Fysh and yes i realise its partly my fault. What we are trying to say is how can CASA take 3 months to produce a new licence. I realise its to do with other agencies but comon, how about some thinking before they get all excited about laying down some bullcrap deadline.
The hotline is a joke... I spent 20 minutes on hold before I got thru and even then I didnt feel as if I got answers to many of my questions.
I say .... move the pencil pushing bludgers out of the CASA office and get them helping with sorting this mess out.
Gyro
Mate pull your head out of you bum and realise that everyone's situations is different. Im in the same boat as Mr Fysh and yes i realise its partly my fault. What we are trying to say is how can CASA take 3 months to produce a new licence. I realise its to do with other agencies but comon, how about some thinking before they get all excited about laying down some bullcrap deadline.
The hotline is a joke... I spent 20 minutes on hold before I got thru and even then I didnt feel as if I got answers to many of my questions.
I say .... move the pencil pushing bludgers out of the CASA office and get them helping with sorting this mess out.
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Hi all
I have not flown for a while however I suppose I had better apply for a card.
I would be doing most of my flying in country airports, so I would be looking at getting an AVID. What happens though, if I want to fly into YSCB from my home of YWOLL (this would be on an extremely infrequent basis). Do I need an ASIC card or would the AVID be enough for the limited visits?
I wonder if all the boat owners in Australia have to get a card as well, one of them could easily cause havoc in Sydney Harbour!
Ash
I have not flown for a while however I suppose I had better apply for a card.
I would be doing most of my flying in country airports, so I would be looking at getting an AVID. What happens though, if I want to fly into YSCB from my home of YWOLL (this would be on an extremely infrequent basis). Do I need an ASIC card or would the AVID be enough for the limited visits?
I wonder if all the boat owners in Australia have to get a card as well, one of them could easily cause havoc in Sydney Harbour!
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They are putting people's jobs on the line here. They can at least give you a provisional ID like the medical when you renew it.
Are the FAC people enforcing this to be worn or is it the flying clubs and operators that do this ?.... if it is then they could possibly ground some if not most of their students and pilots/clients. Jobs and income on the line.
Does that mean that if I don't have an AVID, I can't even enter the airport complex even if I have to renew my instrument rating using the sim ?
Bad news for the schools then.
Also, I know of some ex-pats coming back to renew their ratings or do some occasional flying. Looks like the aero clubs will miss out again because these guys don't have ASIC. CASA have not just put schools in the hardship by cutting down intake of overseas students but now even restricting more people to do flying. The U.S. does not even do this and they suffered more in 9/11.
This has got to stop. A lot of flying schools are struggling as it is. They will kill GA. I wonder what's next on their list ?
Are the FAC people enforcing this to be worn or is it the flying clubs and operators that do this ?.... if it is then they could possibly ground some if not most of their students and pilots/clients. Jobs and income on the line.
Does that mean that if I don't have an AVID, I can't even enter the airport complex even if I have to renew my instrument rating using the sim ?
Bad news for the schools then.
Also, I know of some ex-pats coming back to renew their ratings or do some occasional flying. Looks like the aero clubs will miss out again because these guys don't have ASIC. CASA have not just put schools in the hardship by cutting down intake of overseas students but now even restricting more people to do flying. The U.S. does not even do this and they suffered more in 9/11.
This has got to stop. A lot of flying schools are struggling as it is. They will kill GA. I wonder what's next on their list ?
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ASIC mess
It's no doubt all been said before but has there ever been a bigger, more ludicrous, more useless mess that the ASIC/picture licence thing.
I would love to know where the blame ends, whether the morons planning it been fired and what will be the eventual waste of taxpayers' money.
I guess this is largely a GA issue so who cares?
I would love to know where the blame ends, whether the morons planning it been fired and what will be the eventual waste of taxpayers' money.
I guess this is largely a GA issue so who cares?
Re: ASIC mess
Start annoying your local member, as well as Truss. make sure you can document some of the things you think are wrong with the system.
Join an industry organisation, RAAA, AOPA etc. regardless of what you think, they will have more clout than you, the individual.
Finally, make sure you have some idea of what needs to be done, to fix all this up.
It is a mess.
Join an industry organisation, RAAA, AOPA etc. regardless of what you think, they will have more clout than you, the individual.
Finally, make sure you have some idea of what needs to be done, to fix all this up.
It is a mess.
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Re: No Asic = No Fly !!!! What a joke !
In the early days of the DOTARS wheel lock nonsense I wrote asking would they be requiring wheel locks on all white vans as these seem very popular bomb delivery vehicles with terrists. The answer was that there are too many white vans and that this would be impossible.
But therein lies the answer. We can't stop the white vans or the fertisiser sale but we do have a list of all aircraft owners and pilots and we have the means to control them. Great idea let's get wheel locks and photo ID - in fact two, almost identical IDs.
Would any of this had it been in place have stopped the 9/11 disaster? No.
But at least we are seen to be doing something.
I suspect that DOTARS has shown the major incompetence here but let's blame CASA as well.
But therein lies the answer. We can't stop the white vans or the fertisiser sale but we do have a list of all aircraft owners and pilots and we have the means to control them. Great idea let's get wheel locks and photo ID - in fact two, almost identical IDs.
Would any of this had it been in place have stopped the 9/11 disaster? No.
But at least we are seen to be doing something.
I suspect that DOTARS has shown the major incompetence here but let's blame CASA as well.
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From ABC regional last week. My responses to his statements in Italics.
These were emailed to Truss' office and also to Sen Brett Mason.
Will you please tell me how these ASIC cards will "safeguard" the travelling public???? I definitley want an answer to this as this is what your whole argument has been based on, and I believe it is flawed.
This is the main point I think we could get them on.
This is flawed. You could easily say "we can't assume that there is a risk......."
What is the risk??? Is it a Light aircraft flying into a building?? Or causing problems for an RPT Plane?? Is it pie in the sky?? This is also something they haven't identified. What is the risk, and has it been scientifically arrived at??
This assumes that we are all bad fellows, us along with farmers and muslims. All minority groups.
Do you realise that you would have no power to stop an aircraft that departed, say Watts Bridge, near Amberley, from legally tracking into controlled airspace and (if this what you blokes are worried about) causing your unspecifed aviation risk. No ASIC card required if it is on a one way trip!!! How would an ASIC card stop this. How?
You can also now get on an RPT in Brisbane without howing any ID, courtesy of the new check-in terminals. How much of a risk is that???
I haven't had a reply as yet.
I hold an ASIC.
These were emailed to Truss' office and also to Sen Brett Mason.
Mr Truss says that despite the expense and inconvenience, issuing new security identification cards will safeguard the travelling public.
This is the main point I think we could get them on.
The Minister says he is disappointed that light aircraft operators are not more understanding.
"We can't assume that there is no risk associated with the use of small aircraft sourced from country areas
"We can't assume that there is no risk associated with the use of small aircraft sourced from country areas
What is the risk??? Is it a Light aircraft flying into a building?? Or causing problems for an RPT Plane?? Is it pie in the sky?? This is also something they haven't identified. What is the risk, and has it been scientifically arrived at??
and any pilots association that is prepared to
give a categorical guarantee that there would never be an incident involving their members or their aircraft is obviously flying in the face of reality," he said.
give a categorical guarantee that there would never be an incident involving their members or their aircraft is obviously flying in the face of reality," he said.
Do you realise that you would have no power to stop an aircraft that departed, say Watts Bridge, near Amberley, from legally tracking into controlled airspace and (if this what you blokes are worried about) causing your unspecifed aviation risk. No ASIC card required if it is on a one way trip!!! How would an ASIC card stop this. How?
You can also now get on an RPT in Brisbane without howing any ID, courtesy of the new check-in terminals. How much of a risk is that???
I haven't had a reply as yet.
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You can also now get on an RPT in Brisbane without howing any ID, courtesy of the new check-in terminals. How much of a risk is that???
I haven't had a reply as yet.
I hold an ASIC.
I haven't had a reply as yet.
I hold an ASIC.
I emailed Mr Truss a few months ago about the same question. The response I got was that "we believe that it is up to industry to decide their level of security......."(or words to that effect.) ie "We asked Qantas/Virgin. They told us that it saves them a LOT of money to have the self check in kiosks, and we were told to stop asking these sorts of questions. we did!"
A few more points :
None of the terrorists had ID cards.
None of the terrorists held pilots' licences
good luck getting an(sensible) answer out of Truss, or his department.
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I can only try......
Why couldn't they leave how we manage our security, up to us??
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"we believe that it is up to industry to decide their level of security......
Grandpa Aerotart
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They told us that it saves them a LOT of money to have the self check in kiosks, and we were told to stop asking these sorts of questions. we did!"
If that statement doesn't show the lie that they are 'concerned' about public safety NOTHING does!
QF/VB want to save money so ignore the very demographic that caused 911 and every other hijacking in the history of hijacking aircraft....passengers!!!
Australia is fast becoming a FECKED UNIT!!!
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ASIC.
Load of garbage . If you check the letter mentioned carefully, it says pilots who require FREQUENT ACCESS to the secure areas of these airports. So if you are flying a one off charter to an airport listed in Appendix A or B you DO NOT REQUIRE an ASIC.
Use DOTARS and CASA's words agaist them.
Cheers!
Z.
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Load of garbage . If you check the letter mentioned carefully, it says pilots who require FREQUENT ACCESS to the secure areas of these airports. So if you are flying a one off charter to an airport listed in Appendix A or B you DO NOT REQUIRE an ASIC.
Use DOTARS and CASA's words agaist them.
Cheers!
Z.
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We Australians are among the most compliant people on earth. Sadly.
Do Americans have aircraft wheel locks? No.
Do Americans have speed cameras? No.
Do Kiwis have wheel locks? I don't think so.
Etc. etc.
Do Americans have aircraft wheel locks? No.
Do Americans have speed cameras? No.
Do Kiwis have wheel locks? I don't think so.
Etc. etc.
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So, they don't check the passengers but checks the pilots that fly them.
Geezzz..... Australia is in serious trouble.
Good one Zhaadum...... he-he-he, I'll use that if I forget my ASIC one of these days.
So, WHAT ON EARTH CAN WE DO ? Are we at the mercy of these morons running the show ?
Maybe we should launch a class action against them.
D6
Geezzz..... Australia is in serious trouble.
Good one Zhaadum...... he-he-he, I'll use that if I forget my ASIC one of these days.
So, WHAT ON EARTH CAN WE DO ? Are we at the mercy of these morons running the show ?
Maybe we should launch a class action against them.
D6
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It is a joke, GA is dead and these bimbos in CASA should all be sacked.It's all right for them setting on their 100,00 dollar pay packets, but one day it will all catch up with them, however to late for GA.Why the hell doesn't the GOVT encourage GA in this country.