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QF S/O's to Singapore?

Old 17th Jul 2005, 22:16
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QF S/O's to Singapore?

Just a heads up for all prospective QF pilots. Rumour from a good source has told me that a Singapore basing for S/O's is included in the next QF EBA with new hire S/O's to be assigned there. The basing will be for a minimum of two years and can be extended to four. Not so bad maybe for the single blokes but certainly something to think about if, like me, you have a family. Anybody heard any more? Will relocation be at your own expense?
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Old 17th Jul 2005, 22:25
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Not so bad maybe for the single blokes
WTF....?????

Why would anyone want to live there? THE most an@l city in the world and on top of that booze is so expensive you may as well sit at home and play with yaself except it's illegal to do that, punishable by a flogging.....

Basing in Singapore.... wow. Enjoy it fellas. Could be worse, you could be living in Singapore AND working for Singapore..... Airlines.
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Old 17th Jul 2005, 23:49
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Yeah, except none of us know the details and the EBA is no certainty to be voted in!! If this were going to significantly disadvantage future QF drivers then I'd vote 'no' on this point alone. We've had 'B' scales in QF in the past and I'm not going to vote for one now.

Again though, not many QF drivers have yet seen the detail on this issue. Some (those close to the AIPA COM) may have seen or heard the detail but it hasn't filtered out to the line in any significant way yet.
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Old 18th Jul 2005, 01:03
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Even once the EBA is released and the finer points are known about the SIN base it's going to be hard to accurately calculate the final result, once the lower Singapore tax and the much higher cost of living are factored in.

I know there's plenty of guys and girls out there awaiting it with baited breath, especially those who have signed their life away, so to speak.

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Old 18th Jul 2005, 01:47
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Will the pilots be given a choice?
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Old 18th Jul 2005, 01:51
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Keg and others,

You guys had better have a read of the Certified Agreement. It already provides for basings of tech crew in places other than SYD. Furthermore, there is no pre-determined level of financial assistance, allowances or other terms and conditions for such a basing: the CA simply says AIPA has the right to "discuss" all this with QF, but QF can provide absolutely nothing if it wishes. Incredible, isn't it? So EBA getting up or not, it appears QF can move ahead anyway with the SIN base for S/Os, indeed for any rank. I understand that the EBA is attempting to establish such T&C's, allowances, etc.

Frankly, I'm surprised they don't just recruit a bunch of Asians into the role of S/O, and base them in SIN. Would be cheaper. And who's going to stop them? The senior guys bleating about the prospect of suddenly doing one blank line every 15 months, maybe? Yeah, sure....
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Old 18th Jul 2005, 07:18
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And who's going to stop them?
Maybe the pax... when they vote with their feet and express their (dis)pleasure about being flown around by, er, um...... how do I put it gently so that it won't offend the sensibilities of those who like to pretend such things aren't true...

By people who come from countries whose own airlines often crash their jets.
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Old 18th Jul 2005, 07:41
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Doesn't Qantas have any Asian pilots?
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By people who come from countries whose own airlines often crash their jets.
That comment is about as stupid as Qantas’s claim to be the safest airline in the world. Very very bad karma if I might say.
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scrubed: The pax? Yeah sure, mate..... The pax couldn't give a toss - by and large they just want the best deal. If what you said was true then no one would fly SQ, TG, MH, etc etc. Mate, wake up to reality. Sheesh...

Condensation: I'll rephrase. Yes, QF does have Asian ethnicity in its ranks, but they are residents/citizens of Aus. What I was getting at is QF hiring a group of Thai nationals, for example, and training them up as S/Os. Who would stop that? Senior QF pilots? The pax? I don't think so!
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Yep, I understand what you're saying. I was just wondering whether QF had any Asian pilots who are Australian Citizens/Residents (as I haven't seen any myself).

Good to know that there are. Cause if they were pilots who crashed their own jets, I doubt QF would employ them. Thanks for your reply.
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Old 18th Jul 2005, 08:42
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The Price is Right

The SLF don`t give a rats rissole about who flies the kite or who serves them...its all about price!!
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Old 18th Jul 2005, 09:19
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Yeah, true, they don't give a toss when they buy the ticket. Or do they?

How many people list Garuda as their Numbah Wun preferred airline when they decide to make the annual summertime pilgrimage to Bali?

Not many.

Apart from that, amongst the serious airlines, yeah people generally go for the best fare. But you're kidding yourselves if you say they won't have a re-think when they strap in and then get the capt's PA:

"Wey-cummmm... me you captennnn.... nemm Wun Wing Lo.

We fry velly fast. Go soon. Prennty high. You enjoy, lah?"


Watch them all climbing over each other to make the exit before the Thai cabin crew slam the door shut.

Ah, titan, thanks for validating my statement on naive, sensitive souls. But it's time to pull your head out of the sand and wake up to reality. Check out the statistics.
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Old 18th Jul 2005, 09:36
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If its all about price why does qf spend millions pushing the theme , "The Spirit Of Australia?".
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Old 18th Jul 2005, 12:10
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Wouldn't the guys based in Singapore simply be flying SIN to LHR? That's gotta get boring after about 2 hours. What other routes will they be flying???
 
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Chances are the trips will be something like SIN- LHR-HKG-LHR-SIN. Throw in BKG as well. Just an idea.
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If it could be done without setting a precedent of lower conditions for the QF group, then for two years it might be fun. There would be lots of london trips but also trips to frankfurt too. I haved lived in far worse places than SIN.

I dont have a wife and kids etc and would have minimal effort to relocate etc, so my view would be biased.
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yep-the baby boomers will sell out everyone...

My sources tell me the committee have voted on it, with a couple of vocal opponenents....In fact the whole EBA has been passed by a majority of the committee. With no details available the only conditions my sources were able to tell me were that there will be a relocation allowance and then the training rates of pay apply.
Don't worry when I get a chance to vote I will vote NO..
Starting a new job, new aircraft, new culture in a new country, having moved family and possessions is a big ask. The training wages won't support the pilot, nor his family generating additional stress. Fine for the young fellas but anybody older with commitments etc will find it IMO a huge transition.

For those who don't know it is an extremely rigid society, even the smiles are strained. Freedom of thought is allowed (just) but don't you dare act..

The company understands self interest, it is a key plank in thier platform of divide and keep conquering... "I'm okay Jack" culture, where it doesn't interfere with me so it's okay. The funny thing is we at Q can protect those to follow. I too don't want a B scale, not becuase it doens't affect me but because if this thing slips through next are FO and then junior Captains. Whilst ultimately there is nothing to stop the company doing it now, they can move us where they like. IT IS HOW IT IS DONE It actually serves all of us to help us all.
The question comes down to fairness, equity and as in all things universal application. It isn't universally applied it is being used as an offset for the rest to get the magic 2.5% makes you sick really The other sad bit is that the mainline group is rumerated at a middle of the road rate, not overly high or low. 2.5% means nothing tell em to keep the money and see them in the IRC until it too is wound up.
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Old 21st Jul 2005, 02:52
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Scrubed (good name, I hope you were) IF you are with QF.....then its in fact your intolerable racist attitude that would prevent me from flying with QF.

2 of the most successful airlines in the world (and 2 of QFs most significant competitors)....CX and SQ have an enviable reputation and a significantly high number of Asian pilots. Explain that sherlock?

.........Or rather dont, I cant be bothered! Im with Titan on this.

As for statistics.......in part, you are correct, with some carriers. That said, China had its 1st fatal crash in 5yrs. Check out the size of Air China, China Southern & China Eastern. They fly the same hours per month that QF fly in a year.
Since youre a fan of statistics......an airline like QF would have to operate for 60yrs to produce that kind of statistic!

Then of course we could talk about QF never having a crash.........oh, we mean "never having crashed a jet" (To be fair to QF and others, it has been agreed, that when setting fatalities per RPK, the start date of the modern age is 1973)

Your link is to a very poor statistical database. The best one on the web is here: www.jacdec.de

www.jacdec.de/Qantas.htm
COUNTRY: Australia
FOUNDED: 1920
HULL LOSSES: 13
FATALITIES: 29
LAST HULL LOSS: 25/08/1960

I by no means think these stats are perfect either....No statistics ever are!

Lastly, Im again with Titan.......Karma! Never say never and never boast about ones own safety record. Karma!

** Sorry guys for the thread creap but I cant tolerate racism and ignorance.
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Old 21st Jul 2005, 10:47
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Well stay away from D+G!!!
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