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C210 'MAYDAY' call NE Broome WA

Old 14th Jul 2005, 23:07
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For a 21 year old pilot (thats what the 'TODAY' show said this morning) I feel he did very well getting the plane on the ground in tact enought for everyone to walk away.

He has obviously kept his cool throughout the incident - Excellent work

10 points to the young lad / lass

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Old 14th Jul 2005, 23:42
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Yes, a really great job done by the pilot, by the sound of the reports and the look of the substantially intact C210.

He/she should be highly commended by all, particularly from those within the industry. Sounds like the passengers did pretty well, too, let's not forget.

I certainly agree with other posters re premature & ill-informed prejudgements by anonymous posters here on pprune. Like Gassed Budgie, I also took a long break from the forum for similar reasons, and I'm very disappointed to see much of the same-old same-old bitching and carping.

Come on, people. Our poor little industry needs all the solidarity it can get.
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Old 15th Jul 2005, 00:28
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"Transonic dragon" - I agree with your statement about our industry needing solidarity. I guess that is what winds people up on this forum, when people make stupid speculative comments against the pilot group.
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Old 15th Jul 2005, 10:54
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Yeah you pud-knockers, leave it to the BASI guys or whatever they call themselves these days to work out hat happened. And I'm sure the driver knows what the hell he did and didn't do.

Unfortunately, it isn't just the ATSB who are interested. The video grab shows a cop getting in the way with his camera. In this picture, (may need rego) you will see he is a Police Forensic guy and they're obviously trying to paint a sinister picure of Neglect or something. Naturally, they've pushed their way into the scene as part of a jurisdictional p!ssing contest.

"Ahem.. it's a crime scene, folks........ now stand back and let the pleese do their job."

Get lost pigs, there was no crime, you are NOT needed. Go bust a car-thief or a granny-basher.
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Old 15th Jul 2005, 11:30
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geeeezus Scrubed ..

didn't it occur to you that just maybe, he (the copper) was tasked to do this job, i.e take a photo or two before the acft was moved or had bits pinched off it, for and on behalf of the ATSB?

Sometimes, mate, the coppers are asked to do these things in an effort to preserve the real story if the investigators can't get there quick enough before the looters do.

Sheesh ..
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Old 15th Jul 2005, 12:16
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Yeah it did occur to me but that doesn't discount the other likelihood which is a REALITY of aviation today.

You do realise this happens, don't you?

If, as you say, they were waiting for the ATSB to arrive before the opportunists could rip out the clocks, then they would've just got the local PLOD to stand around picking his nose and telling people to,

"move along, nothing to see here... move along..." instead of flying the specialist pig up from Perth or wherever and who would take just as long as the ATSB guys to arrive. Why bother sending the forensic guy?

I suppose the pilot was interviewed in the hospital too.

"We'd just like to ask you a few questions, if you don't mind. Now, would you please show us your licence......."

We are advised that in fact, the police are not supposed (allowed???) to interview you in hospital and that we should, in the unlikely event, demand to be taken to hospital regardless of injuries and be kept away from the pigs until one can get one's **** squared away about what actually happened and organise a proper process with representation. And just tell the doc to tell the pigs to f*** off.

Good advice.

Hope you guys never need it.




I suspect the ankle injury, which at first seems somewhat innocuous, arose from a case of the feet being locked rigidly against the pedals in an instinctive, subconscious braking action despite the gear being retracted.

I know the feeling.


Well done and congratulations to the young jock who put the 210 down in mainly one piece.
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Old 15th Jul 2005, 12:40
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Of course there are those that know, and those that think they know.

The disdain that you show for someone who chooses policework as a career rather than that of an aviator, because lets face it, the world revolves around pilots, is rather obvious, and I'll bet my last dollar, that a police officer is the first person you'd call if you were in a spot of trouble somewhere, um, like lost in the gaffa maybe!

I'm betting that you're not particularly offay with what specialist police officers are stationed where in W.A., but seeing that Broome is a bit more than a shanty town, I'd dare say there'd be one or more specialists stationed there!
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Old 15th Jul 2005, 12:45
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What, Voice! Are you actually saying that the world, nay the universe doesn't revolve around us gravity defyers?
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Old 15th Jul 2005, 14:44
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Don't forget those that know that they know and, then again, those that merely think they know that they know.....

I do show disdain, but not for those who choose the career path of Pig. Rather for those who determine to pay them a pittance and for those who recruit what applies for the resultant lowly-paying job.

I also show disdain for those who hasten to enlarge their jurisdiction in whatever way including deciding that an engine failure and forced landing, handled well given the terrain but with resultant bent airframe is a possible "crime scene"......

That process is by no means limited to the police force or even just law enforcement in general. It's in our nature. But I digress....


No I am not "au fait" with which pigs are stationed where but you're right, if I was in need of police assistance, I'd call them. And why not? I pay my taxes just like you and helping me out of trouble IS part of their job.

Sticking their noses into a forced landing as if someone has committed a crime is not as far as I'm concerned but I'm sure some fat-arse politician and policy-maker will disagree with that.

Sadly many of the brain-washed around here will disagree, too.




PS Been lost in the gaffa (airborne though) but never resorted to calling the filth!!!


PPS when did Broome cease to be a shanty town.........


PPPS Sounds like someone's suffering that old chestnut of afflictions -


Pilot Envy....!!!
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Old 15th Jul 2005, 17:12
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You guys crack me up!
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Old 15th Jul 2005, 21:53
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Crikey Clarrie, cheeky of me wasn't it

Scrubed get down of your high horse before you fall off.

I may not have tonights winning numbers on lotto, nor may I have the newest BM or Merc on offer, but I do have one of the better jobs on offer to occupy my time.

Oh, and the other thing I don't have, is that thing you describe as pilot envy. Clown.
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Old 16th Jul 2005, 04:33
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Hey can we get back to the original topic. This is not a slander the police forum. Show some respect in your choice of name as well. I hope you never need their help.
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Old 16th Jul 2005, 04:46
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Well done to the pilot!
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Old 20th Jul 2005, 00:34
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Hey Griffo,
Please check your PM's if you haven't already done so...

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Old 20th Jul 2005, 23:46
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Skill or Luck...It doesn't matter

This came from a mate of a mate in WA.

Seems the PAX were happy to provide first aid to the pilot who saved their lives. I wonder if there were scissors in that first aid box that would otherwise be considered a terrorist threat?? Makes you wonder.

Allegedly the crankshaft failed between 3&4 cyl while in level flt at 5500' AMSL. I think this might have a TC IO520 in it and I wonder if this is one of the engines that had the dodgy cranks, or is it just unfortunate?

Anyhow its a job well done when you consider what it could have been.

Cheers

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forgive me if I have missed this point being mentioned somewhere in this thread, but did the pilot make the forced landing with or without wheels extended?
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Old 21st Jul 2005, 00:44
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forgive me if I have missed this point being mentioned somewhere in this thread, but did the pilot make the forced landing with or without wheels extended?
Chadzat, look at the photos, son!

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Old 21st Jul 2005, 00:49
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Thats what I gathered!

I'm not familiar with the workings on a 210 landing gear, is it electrically driven? Hence the lack of gear extension by the pilot before landing.

Its quite substantial damage! More than what I would have thought.
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Old 21st Jul 2005, 01:06
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J430,

Thanks for the photos, sends a bit of a shiver down the spine thinking about all those hours spent up there looking down thinking "Where the fark would I put this thing right now if it went?". The area to the South East of Kalumburu always got me thinking.

The other question you would often ask yourself is "gear up or down?" Seems like gear up was a good call in this case, although it limits directional stability once you're on the ground but the pros generally outweigh the cons.

Quite amazing really, the young girl giving the thumbs up and a big smile from them all. Good work from the pilot!!!

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Old 21st Jul 2005, 03:47
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Re C210...

Many thanks 'J' for the photos.
Sort of finishes the 'almost happy' ending....everybody safe, pilot smiling with only minor disability, poor old '210'.....
they really are a diminishing breed.

Looks like the family almost had a picnic...smiles all around!

I might have kept the wheels up too. A lot of that territory is
S O F T bulldust when graded, and a 'nose over' on landing would have been worse, I reckon. And, from the air, who can tell??

I've had my trusty old Ford Falcon Wagon have trouble in that stuff - and it has 4 wheels - much bigger than those on the C210!

Well done son, may you recover soon & 'get back on the horse'.
And thanks to all for the many POSITIVE responses.

Cheers
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