310R's in the Bush
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Now I wonder who wasn't up to the task, was it the aircraft or was it the operator?
The aircraft will do exactly what it was designed for and it's guaranteed by the Government.
I know of an organisation that bought a pc12, for six million plus, then tried to make it pay for some years,and sold it for 2.5 million.l
The aircraft will do exactly what it was designed for and it's guaranteed by the Government.
gaunty I have a feeling bushy is referring to an operator who does have a "few" C208's belting around the traps.
Said PC12 didn't go all that far after being sold if I'm not mistaken either.
Said PC12 didn't go all that far after being sold if I'm not mistaken either.
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I would have taken the controls and saved us Ops, but I was ducking from the sniper that was shooting at us. 
Anyone want to buy a vidio.......slightly blurred at the touch down stage but otherwise alright.
Anyone want to buy a vidio.......slightly blurred at the touch down stage but otherwise alright.
The said operater did not pay $6.5 million for the PC-12!! They operated it in to many short low-level sectors which wasn't the best for the airframe and or the engine. The cost of spare parts was also an issue. PC 12 really needs to have more seats in it to make it pay. A multi million dollar nine seat aircraft will always be expensive to operate.
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310R specs
Hi there jonjie,
have a few tech details for you on the 310R if your still thinking..
BEW 1722
MZFW 2222
MTOW 2495
MLW 2449
Flight fuel approx. 115 litres - 120 litres per hour
Holding approx. 90 litres per hour
Usefull load at min fuel (MZFW) 500kg
Gives you full mains (tips)379 litres) which in still air IFR with fixed res. plus vari. gives you around 413nm range with 180 TAS.
With a 80kg pilot gives you 420kg for pax/bags
Not really a six seater with bags, but a couple of lighties in the back will see it full.
Shes a bit touchy in the aft C og G range with pax so a bag or two in the nose will sort that OK.
Freight no probs.
Cube will be the concern as when the nose is full unless you can lose the seats in the back you will be looking for places to put the big boxes if you have a pax or two.
Wing lockers are useless unless you have some small heavy items. I believe there is an approval to exceed the MZFW by putting more in the wing lockers if you can.
The 310 is a stable IFR platform with little vices and small trim changes once you have it sorted.
Yes the 310 is a b***h to land at first but with practise can be tamed. I put it down to long legs with low ground effect, and the fact it has no washout leading to a snappy stall with little warning.
As was stated earlier, stick to the numbers for Vref.
I like to see 90 knots decreasing over the fence as an average, closing the throttles completly (no power dribbles) and slightly rase the nose to hold attitude and drive it on.
If you hold this aircraft off waiting for a greaser...it will bite.
My two cents.
Cheers GW
I think the VG kit gives you about another 70 odd kilos but its only fuel though...?
have a few tech details for you on the 310R if your still thinking..
BEW 1722
MZFW 2222
MTOW 2495
MLW 2449
Flight fuel approx. 115 litres - 120 litres per hour
Holding approx. 90 litres per hour
Usefull load at min fuel (MZFW) 500kg
Gives you full mains (tips)379 litres) which in still air IFR with fixed res. plus vari. gives you around 413nm range with 180 TAS.
With a 80kg pilot gives you 420kg for pax/bags
Not really a six seater with bags, but a couple of lighties in the back will see it full.
Shes a bit touchy in the aft C og G range with pax so a bag or two in the nose will sort that OK.
Freight no probs.
Cube will be the concern as when the nose is full unless you can lose the seats in the back you will be looking for places to put the big boxes if you have a pax or two.
Wing lockers are useless unless you have some small heavy items. I believe there is an approval to exceed the MZFW by putting more in the wing lockers if you can.
The 310 is a stable IFR platform with little vices and small trim changes once you have it sorted.
Yes the 310 is a b***h to land at first but with practise can be tamed. I put it down to long legs with low ground effect, and the fact it has no washout leading to a snappy stall with little warning.
As was stated earlier, stick to the numbers for Vref.
I like to see 90 knots decreasing over the fence as an average, closing the throttles completly (no power dribbles) and slightly rase the nose to hold attitude and drive it on.
If you hold this aircraft off waiting for a greaser...it will bite.
My two cents.
Cheers GW
I think the VG kit gives you about another 70 odd kilos but its only fuel though...?
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VG kit
Typical variations to the above with a VG kit installed:
BEW 1722
MZFW 2280 - 2404 (Varying with CG pos'n. Aft CG = higher MZFW)
MTOW 2576
MLW 2449 (unchanged)
VMCA 10 kts lower, stalling speeds a little lower and 175kts TAS.
Think that's about it.
520.
BEW 1722
MZFW 2280 - 2404 (Varying with CG pos'n. Aft CG = higher MZFW)
MTOW 2576
MLW 2449 (unchanged)
VMCA 10 kts lower, stalling speeds a little lower and 175kts TAS.
Think that's about it.
520.
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GW_04....agree with you on all but one point. The 310R is a bit touchy in the forward C of G range. It's a lot harder to load behind the aft limit.
There was a flight training organisation not far from here who departed on their IFR navs with the a/c loaded beyond the forward C of G just by having full mains with only the instructor and student on board.
A heavy nav bag stored behind the rear seats may have got them back within limits.
There was a flight training organisation not far from here who departed on their IFR navs with the a/c loaded beyond the forward C of G just by having full mains with only the instructor and student on board.
A heavy nav bag stored behind the rear seats may have got them back within limits.
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Hi TQ
not sure what loading system they were using to get that but here is an example load.
Empty C of G index 74.
Put 2 big fellas/gals at 100kg each in the front. Throw 50kg in the nose, and full mains.
This will give you about index 55 at 2245Kg TOW which is well within fwd C of G.
On the other hand, put 6 avg pax (incl pilot of course) at around 83 Kg plus full mains, gives you 2493 TOW, and an index of just over 100. By our loading system this is 5 or so out the back.
So throw a lightie in the back and a bag in the nose, and your sorted.
Continental-520 talks about the VG kit having a little more friendly MZFW. This might adjust the C og G range too? Maybe its not such a prob with the kit installed.
About $2500 I believe. Not a bad investment considering the extra capacity!
Cheers GW
not sure what loading system they were using to get that but here is an example load.
Empty C of G index 74.
Put 2 big fellas/gals at 100kg each in the front. Throw 50kg in the nose, and full mains.
This will give you about index 55 at 2245Kg TOW which is well within fwd C of G.
On the other hand, put 6 avg pax (incl pilot of course) at around 83 Kg plus full mains, gives you 2493 TOW, and an index of just over 100. By our loading system this is 5 or so out the back.
So throw a lightie in the back and a bag in the nose, and your sorted.
Continental-520 talks about the VG kit having a little more friendly MZFW. This might adjust the C og G range too? Maybe its not such a prob with the kit installed.
About $2500 I believe. Not a bad investment considering the extra capacity!
Cheers GW
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Does anyone have similar figures for the Aztec? I'd like to do some flying in a 6 seat twin and would like the option of carrying six blokes. I had been considering the Aztec (for hire around Sydney) ? Anyone know of a frame that can do better for the above? (for under $450 an hour)
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